New York Mets Offseason Thread

[Devils Pride 26]

We HAVE to make the playoffs next year. We have about 35M coming off the books, and I'd say they should be able to spend up to 50M if they want. First and foremost, Give CC a 20M contract for however many years. I don't care how. Just do it. Secondly, go get KRod too. We need someone to close these games next year so why not get the best?

I'll be very happy with this:

C: Schneider

1B: Delgado (pick up his option)

2B: Murphy (he's playing there in winterball)

3B: David Wright

SS: Jose Reyes

RF: Ryan Church

CF: Carlos Beltran

LF: Fernando Tatis

Pitching Staff:

Johan Santana

CC Sabathia

Mike Pelfrey

John Maine

John Niese

Bench:

Cancel

A. Reyes

Evans

F-Mart (yes, its time, plantooned with Tatis)

Castro

one or 2 vet signings

My mind is a little foggy now, I'm sure I'm missing a couple of pieces. Oh yeah, I want Jerry back.

Edited September 29, 2008 by Devils Pride 26

[nmigliore]

I want....

DEPTH CHART

C: Schneider, Castro

1B: Delgado, Evans, Carp

2B: Murphy, Easley

3B: David Wright

SS: Jose Reyes

RF: FREE AGENT/ACQUISITION or f-mart, Tatis

CF: Carlos Beltran

LF: Ryan Church

Pitching Staff:

Johan Santana

Mike Pelfrey

Ryan Dempster

John Maine

Derek Lowe (?)

Bench:

Cancel

Evans

Castro

Easley

Carp

Valentino Pascucci (had a PHENOMINAL AAA season, NO idea why he wasn't called up.. hes like early 30's age-wise)

+2 more vets

Bullpen:

Closer - KRod

SU man - ??

RH specialist - Joe Smith

LH specialist - Pedro Feliciano

Middle reliever - ??

Middle reliever - Bobby Parnell

Middle reliever - ??

I dont see us getting CC and K-Rod.. I think its 1 or the other.. But who knows. If its K-Rod we can be more expandable with starters.. ie: Ryan Dempster and maybe a cheap Derek Lowe. And then theres that WIDE OPEN outfield spot... calling F-Mart. Its your job to lose.

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

You have the outfielders backwards...Church is a RF.

Tatis was a one-year wonder, I think...to count on him to produce again probably isn't the way to go.

I'm all for bringing CC and KRod here. The game is still won with pitching, and even with the #5 spot being iffy (who know what Niese is yet?), Santana, CC, Pelfrey and Maine would be a hell of a 1-4. And KRod can close with the best of 'em.

Careful about pencilling in Francisco Martinez. He should really only come up when he's fully ready to be an everyday player anyway...if he's not going to play every day up here he might as well get as many ABs in the minors as he can. I don't think being a part-timer will help his development.

[nmigliore]

You have the outfielders backwards...Church is a RF.

Tatis was a one-year wonder, I think...to count on him to produce again probably isn't the way to go.

I'm all for bringing CC and KRod here. The game is still won with pitching, and even with the #5 spot being iffy (who know what Niese is yet?), Santana, CC, Pelfrey and Maine would be a hell of a 1-4. And KRod can close with the best of 'em.

Careful about pencilling in Francisco Martinez. He should really only come up when he's fully ready to be an everyday player anyway...if he's not going to play every day up here he might as well get as many ABs in the minors as he can. I don't think being a part-timer will help his development.

That would be too good.. I mean really.. is that possible? Santana, Sabathia, Pelfrey, Maine, ?? .. thats nuts..

We will have 30-36 mil/year to spend.. CC is gonna demand more $$ than Santana.. Plus K-Rod.. ?? I dont think we have enough

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[nmigliore]

Heres the FA list. Players with "*" indicates club option.

First Basemen

Rich Aurilia SF

Ben Broussard NYY

Carlos Delgado * NYM

Nomar Garciaparra LAD

Jason Giambi * NYY

Wes Helms PHI

Kevin Millar BAL

Richie Sexson NYY

Mark Teixeira LAA

Frank Thomas OAK

Daryle Ward CHC

Second Basemen

Jamey Carroll * CLE

Ray Durham MIL

Mark Ellis OAK

Marcus Giles COL

Mark Grudzielanek KC

Orlando Hudson ARZ

Jeff Kent LAD

Felipe Lopez STL

D’Angelo Jimenez STL

Pablo Ozuna LAD

Nick Punto MIN

Jose Valentin NYM

Jose Vidro * SEA

Shortstops

Orlando Cabrera CWS

Alex Cintron CWS

Alex Cora BOS

Craig Counsell * MIL

Adam Everett MIN

Rafael Furcal LAD

Cesar Izturis STL

Ramon Martinez LAD

Edgar Renteria * DET

Juan Uribe CWS

Third Basemen

Casey Blake LAD

Hank Blalock * TEX

Joe Crede CWS

Morgan Ensberg NYY

Chipper Jones * ATL

Corey Koskie MIL

Greg Norton TB

Catchers

Rod Barajas TOR

Henry Blanco * CHC

Johnny Estrada WAS

Toby Hall * CWS

Adam Melhuse TEX

Mike Redmond * MIN

Ivan Rodriguez NYY

David Ross BOS

Javier Valentin CIN

Jason Varitek BOS

Vance Wilson DET

Gregg Zaun * TOR

Outfielders

Bobby Abreu NYY

Moises Alou NYM

Garret Anderson * LAA

Rocco Baldelli TB

Willie Bloomquist SEA

Emil Brown OAK

Pat Burrell PHI

Endy Chavez NYM

Carl Crawford * TB

Adam Dunn ARZ

Jim Edmonds CHC

Cliff Floyd TB

Brian Giles * SD

Ken Griffey Jr. * CWS

Vladimir Guerrero * LAA

Raul Ibanez SEA

Jacque Jones FLA

Mark Kotsay ATL

Rob Mackowiak WAS

Kevin Mench TOR

Jason Michaels * CLE

Craig Monroe MIN

Jay Payton BAL

Scott Podsednik COL

Manny Ramirez LAD

Juan Rivera LAA

Rondell White MIN

Starting Pitchers

Kris Benson PHI

A.J. Burnett TOR (may opt out)

Paul Byrd BOS

Ryan Dempster CHC

Jon Garland LAA

Tom Glavine ATL

Mike Hampton * ATL

Rich Harden * CHC

Orlando Hernandez NYM

Jason Jennings TEX

Randy Johnson ARZ

John Lackey * LAA

Esteban Loaiza CHW

Braden Looper STL

Derek Lowe LAD

Pedro Martinez NYM

Mike Mussina NYY

Jamie Moyer PHI

Mark Mulder * STL

Carl Pavano NYY

Brad Penny * LAD

Odalis Perez WAS

Oliver Perez NYM

Andy Pettitte NYY

Mark Prior SD

Horacio Ramirez CHW

C.C. Sabathia MIL

Ben Sheets MIL

John Smoltz * ATL

Julian Tavarez ATL

Steve Trachsel BAL

Brett Tomko SD

Claudio Vargas MIL

Randy Wolf HOU

Relief Pitchers

Jeremy Affeldt CIN

Tony Armas Jr. PIT

Luis Ayala WAS

Joe Beimel LAD

Joe Borowski CLE

Juan Cruz ARZ

Brendan Donnelly BOS

Alan Embree * OAK

Scott Eyre CHC

Kyle Farnsworth DET

Casey Fossum TB

Brian Fuentes COL

Aaron Fultz CLE

Tom Gordon * PHI

LaTroy Hawkins HOU

Mark Hendrickson LAD

Trevor Hoffman SD

Bobby Howry CHC

Jason Isringhausen STL

Steve Kline SF

Brandon Lyon ARZ

Damaso Marte * NYY

Tom Martin COL

Julio Mateo PHI

Guillermo Mota MIL

Will Ohman CHC

Hideki Okajima * BOS

Darren Oliver LAA

John Parrish SEA

Chris Reitsma SEA

Dennys Reyes MIN

Juan Rincon CLE

Francisco Rodriguez LAA

Brian Shouse MIL

Rafael Soriano ATL

Jorge Sosa NYM

Mike Stanton * CIN

Salomon Torres * MIL

Derrick Turnbow MIL

Oscar Villarreal ATL

David Weathers CIN

Dan Wheeler TB

Dave Williams NYM

Matt Wise NYM

Jay Witasick TB

Kerry Wood CHC

>Looking at the outfielders, I think the team will turn inward to see what they got down in the minors.. but to throw it out there.. Burrell? Abreu? Ibanez?

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

That would be too good.. I mean really.. is that possible? Santana, Sabathia, Pelfrey, Maine, ?? .. thats nuts..

We will have 30-36 mil/year to spend.. CC is gonna demand more $$ than Santana.. Plus K-Rod.. ?? I dont think we have enough

I think the Mets with the new building and the horrible taste of now TWO seasons gone wrong will do whatever it takes. Will they get it done? Probably not. But I think they're going to be big-time players for both CC and KRod, and won't shy away from any bidding wars. Sure, it's a lot of cash, but with that kind of pitching they won't have to do that much more...they have enough offense, and they can makover the bullpen without spending too much money (outside of KRod).

[nmigliore]

I think the Mets with the new building and the horrible taste of now TWO seasons gone wrong will do whatever it takes. Will they get it done? Probably not. But I think they're going to be big-time players for both CC and KRod, and won't shy away from any bidding wars. Sure, it's a lot of cash, but with that kind of pitching they won't have to do that much more...they have enough offense, and they can makover the bullpen without spending too much money (outside of KRod).

But still im not quite sure they can afford it.. Santana will make $20 mil next year. That means CC will want like $25 mil next year possibly..? (Im not sure how much pitchers demand, but remember NYY is gonna be bidding very high for him too).. So around 35mil to spend minus 25mil = 10 mil to spend on K-Rod. Not enough. He made 10mil this year

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[Devils Pride 26]

You have the outfielders backwards...Church is a RF.

Tatis was a one-year wonder, I think...to count on him to produce again probably isn't the way to go.

I'm all for bringing CC and KRod here. The game is still won with pitching, and even with the #5 spot being iffy (who know what Niese is yet?), Santana, CC, Pelfrey and Maine would be a hell of a 1-4. And KRod can close with the best of 'em.

Careful about pencilling in Francisco Martinez. He should really only come up when he's fully ready to be an everyday player anyway...if he's not going to play every day up here he might as well get as many ABs in the minors as he can. I don't think being a part-timer will help his development.

Good catch, thanks. I think you mean Fernando Martinez, the top prospect outfielder. I figure there's no way Tatis can be as good as last year, but the job has to be his until he loses it. As the season goes on, F-Mart should get more time, by June/July, he'll be the starter.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

But still im not quite sure they can afford it.. Santana will make $20 mil next year. That means CC will want like $25 mil next year possibly..? (Im not sure how much pitchers demand).. So around 35mil to spend minus 25mil = 10 mil to spend on K-Rod. Not enough. He made 10mil this year

It depends on the Mets' budget plans. I have this feeling that budgetary considerations are going to fall by the wayside this year. We've seen that that doesn't always get you to the promised land though.

I wouldn't mind seeing the Mets go after the Reds' Bronson Arroyo (15-11, 4.77) if he's available at a reasonable price. For one thing, he'd be getting out of that ridiculous ballpark. Second, he signed through '10 (option for '11) for reasonable dollars. Third, he pitched well for the Red Sox in pressure situations. He also pitched well down the stretch overall.

Good catch, thanks. I think you mean Fernando Martinez, the top prospect outfielder. I figure there's no way Tatis can be as good as last year, but the job has to be his until he loses it. As the season goes on, F-Mart should get more time, by June/July, he'll be the starter.

Yep...Fernando, just like the ABBA song. Good catch!

[NJDevs4978]

Current players on the roster:

C - Schnieder - Overrated defense and came just as advertised offensively...if any kind of upgrade is found this offseason the Mets should explore it. But hitting catchers don't grow on trees. Even a fielding catcher like Jose Molina would be an upgrade though (not that he's available, just someone like him). Didn't seem like much of a leader either which would be ideal for the catcher position.

C - Castro - He is what he is, a good backup that you can't really count on to play every day or down the stretch because he refuses to get in shape. Could do far worse here though.

1B - Delgado - He'll probably be back and unless we overpay Texiera I don't know that there's really a replacement but great second half aside something still rubs me the wrong way about this guy. Maybe he's the core player you need to change to really shake things up.

2B - Castillo - You would hope he'd be gone by hook or by crook especially if Murphy can learn how to play 2B over the winter

3B - Wright - Just leave him alone...but he can't be the leader. I agree with Keith and Ron, the Mets need that type of player to take the mantle in the locker room.

SS - Reyes - Fitting I left him out in my initial post, he was that invisible this September and last September and the 2006 playoffs. That said he's going nowhere, it's impossible to conceive of getting equal value in a trade. The Mets just have to hope he figures out how to hit in the clutch.

LF - Alou is obviously gone, Murphy will probably move to 2B and Fernando Martinez is not ready. Can't count on Tatis to be an every day player, so there's an opening here. Maybe this is where the Mets come up with the leader-type player? Or at C/1B.

CF - Beltran - I don't want to hear any crap about him ever again. He's the only guy that hit last September and this September and he did well enough in the 2006 playoffs till the last AB. He's one of the best, and defensively he's the reason we were able to have so many inexperienced LF and RF'ers and not really have it cost us.

RF - Church - The biggest question mark. Is he as good as he looked early in the season, as bad as he was post-concussion or a platoon player the way he was in his pre-Mets career? I'd give him another year to find out but man he was brutal to watch down the stretch.

Bench - I guess you could keep Tatis and Endy as a defensive replacement/pinch-runner, as well as Castro on the bench. Mets need a lefty bat off the bench too, Marlon Anderson was supposed to be that this year but he got old or hurt or both, and needs to be replaced.

SP - Santana, Pelfrey and Maine obviously stay and Pedro adios amigo. Ollie's the tricky one, he'll probably get overpaid and be gone and the Mets will have to overpay someone else in UFA and hand a Niese or Omar's retread of the year the fifth spot.

BP - Not RP, BP because the bullpen was batting practice for other teams. The only two guys I'd consider keeping are Smith and Ayala, maybe Feliciano as the LOOGY only. I think Ayala could be a good setup guy and did the best he could as the emergency closer. Other than that anyone else is expendable. Heilman's shot mentally here and is probably still pining to start, Show can't be allowed to come back contract or no contract, sorry Duaner but you just don't have it anymore. Getting a true long man would be nice, the Mets haven't had one since Darren Oliver.

Edited September 29, 2008 by Hasan4978

[Triumph]

c'mon. the mets are not going to win a bidding war for cc sabathia. nor would i be that thrilled about giving over a big contract to a guy with his body type (and the amount of pitches he's thrown over the last 4 years). there's another team getting a new stadium with a lot of money coming off their budget as well.

the mets have two options - continue on the same tack of getting superstars and not at all augmenting their depth (the yankees' method of building over the last 8 or so years, up until recently), or try to get value on lesser lights. the thing is, omar's gonna screw those up, so maybe it is better that he just goes after superstars.

one of the biggest met problems has been sentimentality. marlon anderson has a nice two months so he gets a 2 year contract. fernando tatis is a fluke and i wouldn't expect a repeat of that. the problem is, the free agent LFs don't really offer much hope. so i'd keep daniel murphy although i'm suspicious about his ability to repeat this season, and i guess sign tatis as a platoon/pinch hitter. i don't think burrell will want to sign with an NL team given that he's a mediocre to bad OF who's a natural DH once his skills diminish - same with dunn.

gambling with ben sheets wouldn't be a bad idea. i would avoid ryan dempster as i'd be wary of a guy who was a mediocre to bad starter, and a mediocre to bad reliever - his control has substantially improved, though. oliver perez probably won't be back though he's pretty good.

that's a sorry bunch of relievers. kyle farnsworth might not be half bad. if rafael soriano can stay healthy he's a very solid reliever. i guess the mets will get k-rod but it will be a mistake. they should keep heilman, smith will be back, feliciano should be kept (but as more than a LOOGY - he showed better than that in 2007). i mean what guy on that relievers list has a better resume than aaron heilman?

Edited September 29, 2008 by Triumph

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

c'mon. the mets are not going to win a bidding war for cc sabathia. nor would i be that thrilled about giving over a big contract to a guy with his body type (and the amount of pitches he's thrown over the last 4 years). there's another team getting a new stadium with a lot of money coming off their budget as well.

the mets have two options - continue on the same tack of getting superstars and not at all augmenting their depth (the yankees' method of building over the last 8 or so years, up until recently), or try to get value on lesser lights. the thing is, omar's gonna screw those up, so maybe it is better that he just goes after superstars.

one of the biggest met problems has been sentimentality. marlon anderson has a nice two months so he gets a 2 year contract. fernando tatis is a fluke and i wouldn't expect a repeat of that. the problem is, the free agent LFs don't really offer much hope. so i'd keep daniel murphy although i'm suspicious about his ability to repeat this season, and i guess sign tatis as a platoon/pinch hitter. i don't think burrell will want to sign with an NL team given that he's a mediocre to bad OF who's a natural DH once his skills diminish - same with dunn.

gambling with ben sheets wouldn't be a bad idea. i would avoid ryan dempster as i'd be wary of a guy who was a mediocre to bad starter, and a mediocre to bad reliever - his control has substantially improved, though. oliver perez probably won't be back though he's pretty good.

that's a sorry bunch of relievers. kyle farnsworth might not be half bad. if rafael soriano can stay healthy he's a very solid reliever. i guess the mets will get k-rod but it will be a mistake.

I didn't say the Mets would win a bidding war for CC...I said they'd be a player for him. I think he's going to the Yankees.

Daniel Murphy is going to be playing 2B in winter ball. That's where the Mets are hoping to play him next season. Of course Omar's had a thing for Manny Ramirez, so it wouldn't surprise me if the Mets got involved in that mix as well.

Gambling with Ben Sheets would NOT be a good idea. He's injury-prone and not exactly the type to gut it out.

[Devils Pride 26]

Gambling with Ben Sheets would NOT be a good idea. He's injury-prone and not exactly the type to gut it out.

Yeah, I think I would rather have Perez instead of Sheets

[nmigliore]

c'mon. the mets are not going to win a bidding war for cc sabathia. nor would i be that thrilled about giving over a big contract to a guy with his body type (and the amount of pitches he's thrown over the last 4 years). there's another team getting a new stadium with a lot of money coming off their budget as well.

the mets have two options - continue on the same tack of getting superstars and not at all augmenting their depth (the yankees' method of building over the last 8 or so years, up until recently), or try to get value on lesser lights. the thing is, omar's gonna screw those up, so maybe it is better that he just goes after superstars.

one of the biggest met problems has been sentimentality. marlon anderson has a nice two months so he gets a 2 year contract. fernando tatis is a fluke and i wouldn't expect a repeat of that. the problem is, the free agent LFs don't really offer much hope. so i'd keep daniel murphy although i'm suspicious about his ability to repeat this season, and i guess sign tatis as a platoon/pinch hitter. i don't think burrell will want to sign with an NL team given that he's a mediocre to bad OF who's a natural DH once his skills diminish - same with dunn.

gambling with ben sheets wouldn't be a bad idea. i would avoid ryan dempster as i'd be wary of a guy who was a mediocre to bad starter, and a mediocre to bad reliever - his control has substantially improved, though. oliver perez probably won't be back though he's pretty good.

that's a sorry bunch of relievers. kyle farnsworth might not be half bad. if rafael soriano can stay healthy he's a very solid reliever. i guess the mets will get k-rod but it will be a mistake. they should keep heilman, smith will be back, feliciano should be kept (but as more than a LOOGY - he showed better than that in 2007). i mean what guy on that relievers list has a better resume than aaron heilman?

-After seeing Sheets down the stretch.. i definitely dont want him. Hes another player with no balls and hes softer than a teddy bear.

-Murphy has to be moved 2B b/c there is no other 2B thats going to be productive.. Plus hes not good at all in the outfield.. if we dont get CC maybe we can get a player Manny who Omar really likes.. that would give us that REALLY missing piece of a veteran leader.. but that would mean we might have to settle on Fuentes (or someone even lesser) as a closer to afford him and a good starter to replace Ollie.

-Heilman is lost in NY.. why does everyone want to keep him still?

-Feliciano is a workhouse down the stretch and did a quality job. Most APs from a relief pitcher in Mets history in 1 season

-KRod mistake? Well thats your opinion.. If we have to settle on Fuentes to get someone like Manny though.. ill be very happy

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[Triumph]

-After seeing Sheets down the stretch.. i definitely dont want him. Hes another player with no balls and hes softer than a teddy bear.

-Murphy has to be moved 2B b/c there is no other 2B thats going to be productive.. Plus hes not good at all in the outfield.. if we dont get CC maybe we can get a player Manny who Omar really likes.. that would give us that REALLY missing piece of a veteran leader.. but that would mean we might have to settle on Fuentes (or someone even lesser) as a closer to afford him and a good starter to replace Ollie.

-Heilman is lost in NY.. why does everyone want to keep him still?

-Feliciano is a workhouse down the stretch and did a quality job. Most APs from a relief pitcher in Mets history in 1 season

-KRod mistake? Well thats your opinion.. If we have to settle on Fuentes to get someone like Manny though.. ill be very happy

because heilman is better than what's out there. did you see that list of free agent relievers? that is a lot of slop.

luis castillo was just signed to a 4 year contract. daniel murphy is not playing 2b. castillo will be better next year.

manny is a terrible idea, he is a terrible left fielder. i mean great, he has a 1.200 OPS for LA. he's not keeping that up. damn though he really has hit this year. but i enjoy the notion that somehow he's a 'veteran leader' even though he was routinely sitting out games against the opposition's aces when he was with the red sox.

feliciano makes too many appearances. the mets are way too reliant on making pitching changes. they need a bullpen of guys who can get 3-6 outs if necessary. you might give up a few runs here or there but in the end you don't blow the hell out of your bullpen when you need it at the end of the year.

[nmigliore]

because heilman is better than what's out there. did you see that list of free agent relievers? that is a lot of slop.

luis castillo was just signed to a 4 year contract. daniel murphy is not playing 2b. castillo will be better next year.

manny is a terrible idea, he is a terrible left fielder. i mean great, he has a 1.200 OPS for LA. he's not keeping that up. damn though he really has hit this year. but i enjoy the notion that somehow he's a 'veteran leader' even though he was routinely sitting out games against the opposition's aces when he was with the red sox.

feliciano makes too many appearances. the mets are way too reliant on making pitching changes. they need a bullpen of guys who can get 3-6 outs if necessary. you might give up a few runs here or there but in the end you don't blow the hell out of your bullpen when you need it at the end of the year.

-Okay Murphy is not playing 2B, thats why hes playing 2B in the Fall League. That makes tons of sense. I bet you that Castillo is done as a Met, unless absolutely nobody wants him.. and if thats the case I only see him being a backup to Murphy. Luis is not going to get better.. Its just gonna be another year of aging on him and he cant hit for sh!t anymore. Now his plan is take as many pitches possible and hope the pitcher is wild enough to walk him.

-Manny..? Yeah I guess he was a nothing in Boston since he sat out vs the aces.. he contributed nothing to their World Series titles.. as for his defense.. well like we are any better with Murphy out there?

-Mets need a guy who can pitch the 8th and 9th inning. Ie: a SOLID setup man, and a great closer. I wouldn't mind seeing Ayala be the setup man if he we have to settle on that, but I do hope we get K-Rod (or Fuentes if we plan on spending cash elsewhere).. So that leaves the bullpen to just having to patchwork the 7th inning, assuming the starter only goes 6 innings. Thats not bad at all. Let Joe Smith pitch to the righties in the 7th, then bring in Feliciano for the lefties. Or you could just go to someone like Parnell to pitch the whole inning.. I still want to see Niese in the bullpen b/c hes great 1st-time through the order as a starter and he can throw that curveball for a strike.

-Heilman is done as a Met. Im sure of it. He sucked this year.. he was not good the year before either.. hes got decent stuff but he cant put it together.. at least not in NY.. you are just overpraising this guy.

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[nmigliore]

We HAVE to make the playoffs next year. We have about 35M coming off the books, and I'd say they should be able to spend up to 50M if they want. First and foremost, Give CC a 20M contract for however many years. I don't care how. Just do it. Secondly, go get KRod too. We need someone to close these games next year so why not get the best?

I'll be very happy with this:

C: Schneider

1B: Delgado (pick up his option)

2B: Murphy (he's playing there in winterball)

3B: David Wright

SS: Jose Reyes

RF: Ryan Church

CF: Carlos Beltran

LF: Fernando Tatis

Pitching Staff:

Johan Santana

CC Sabathia

Mike Pelfrey

John Maine

John Niese

Bench:

Cancel

A. Reyes

Evans

F-Mart (yes, its time, plantooned with Tatis)

Castro

one or 2 vet signings

My mind is a little foggy now, I'm sure I'm missing a couple of pieces. Oh yeah, I want Jerry back.

CC is gonna demand more than 20mil/year, especially if he remains in the NL where he was just unbeatable (almost) in the NL.. and hes actually a decent bat up there at the plate! Too bad the Yankees will probably give him a billion dollars a year

A reasonable NL contract for CC is 23mil/year for 5 years. Ill go as far as 25mil/year to sign him

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[LOULAM1]

"Gangsta". Something like that. You need that from a manager after a great performance from Santana? That is not class as I see it as crap from Manuel.

We need a manger who can choose a decent third base coach and will win and not accept the fact that the Mets are done . Listening to Francesca, the Met hater, I do not agree Reyes and Wright need to be moved as he's a dick.

Manuel is not class and we need a coach that can get it done. I'll be up an working with Phillthy fans in 7 hours and we need a change but it is not our core players, just the coach.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

luis castillo was just signed to a 4 year contract. daniel murphy is not playing 2b. castillo will be better next year.

manny is a terrible idea, he is a terrible left fielder. i mean great, he has a 1.200 OPS for LA. he's not keeping that up. damn though he really has hit this year. but i enjoy the notion that somehow he's a 'veteran leader' even though he was routinely sitting out games against the opposition's aces when he was with the red sox.

feliciano makes too many appearances. the mets are way too reliant on making pitching changes. they need a bullpen of guys who can get 3-6 outs if necessary. you might give up a few runs here or there but in the end you don't blow the hell out of your bullpen when you need it at the end of the year.

You're wrong about Murphy. The Mets are going to give him a shot at second. The Castillo signing is as bad as it gets, but even if the Mets have to eat a significant chunk of that deal, Castillo's not going to be here next year. What does it tell you when the Mets would rather play Argenis Reyes and RAMON MARTINEZ over Castillo?

No sh!t that Manny's a terrible left fielder. That's not exactly breaking news. Omar's always loved the guy though, and the guy CAN hit, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Omar throw his hat into that ring.

Feliciano makes too many appearances, the Mets are too reliant on making pitching changes, they need a bullpen of guys who can get 3-6 outs...well, DUH! Did you see what Jerry had to work with? He didn't have much of a choice. If Omar actually goes out there and improves this pen (it's going to take a little creativity on his part, but if he's the genius he seems to think he is he should be able to get something done), Jerry won't have to make so many moves.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

"Gangsta". Something like that. You need that from a manager after a great performance from Santana? That is not class as I see it as crap from Manuel.

We need a manger who can choose a decent third base coach and will win and not accept the fact that the Mets are done . Listening to Francesca, the Met hater, I do not agree Reyes and Wright need to be moved as he's a dick.

Manuel is not class and we need a coach that can get it done. I'll be up an working with Phillthy fans in 7 hours and we need a change but it is not our core players, just the coach.

If Francesca said that then he truly is an idiot. If the bullpen had done even a passable job down the stretch no one even brings Reyes and Wright up, although both had their share of bad moments down the stretch, even if their numbers don't necessarily bear that out entirely.

[devilsadvoc8]

bullpen, bullpen bullpen.

[Triumph]

You're wrong about Murphy. The Mets are going to give him a shot at second. The Castillo signing is as bad as it gets, but even if the Mets have to eat a significant chunk of that deal, Castillo's not going to be here next year. What does it tell you when the Mets would rather play Argenis Reyes and RAMON MARTINEZ over Castillo?

No sh!t that Manny's a terrible left fielder. That's not exactly breaking news. Omar's always loved the guy though, and the guy CAN hit, so I wouldn't be surprised to see Omar throw his hat into that ring.

Geez, in that case what an awful signing Castillo was - I mean, at least give the guy a chance to rebound. If he can hit .280/.380/.340 he's not doing all that bad. Otherwise you're paying however many million for Castillo to sit on the bench, plus whatever gets paid for left field - the Mets do have a budget, new stadium or not.

Feliciano makes too many appearances, the Mets are too reliant on making pitching changes, they need a bullpen of guys who can get 3-6 outs...well, DUH! Did you see what Jerry had to work with? He didn't have much of a choice. If Omar actually goes out there and improves this pen (it's going to take a little creativity on his part, but if he's the genius he seems to think he is he should be able to get something done), Jerry won't have to make so many moves.

Well, right, but I'm saying as a philosophy. Guys like Feliciano, Smith, and even Schowenweis can be part of a useful bullpen, but not all in the same bullpen - and it's not like Chad Bradford is a remedy for taht either as he struggles with lefties. Feliciano was effective against right handed hitters up until this season where his numbers blew up - now whether that's due to fatigue, a stretch of bad luck, or simply not being able to get right handed hitters out anymore, I don't know.

[nmigliore]

Giving Castillo a 2nd shot would be an absolute disaster. First off Murphy needs start next year and he needs to be moved from LF .. and well he is, so i dont have to worry about that b/c the Mets are clearly moving into the direction that hes going to be their 2B next year.. and even if Castillo SOMEHOW is still with the Mets, hes probably just gonna be a backup.

Im telling you.. Castillo is DONE. He cant hit.. he takes way too many pitches now.. nobody likes him here.. i doubt he likes it here..

Ugh who cares what Francesca says. The guy is an idiot. Hes just crying b/c his Yankees couldn't make it to the playoffs and wants the Mets to turn into an even MORE laughable franchise by trading Reyes or Wright

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

Ugh who cares what Francesca says.

Speaking of matters WFAN-related, right now the Mets are getting lit up pretty good. Plenty of it is justified, but three guys who don't deserve it nearly as much, as far as September is concerned, are Wright, Delgado, and Beltran. Yeah, there were times when they didn't come through for sure, but how much better could they really have done in September...check out their (eerily similar) numbers:

Wright: 97 AB, 19 R, 33 H, 5 2B, 0 3B, 6 HR, 21 RBI, 13 BB, 23 K, 1/1 SB, .340 AVG, .416 OB%, .577 SLG

Delgado: 97 AB, 21 R, 33 H, 6 2B, 0 3B, 8 HR, 22 RBI, 11 BB, 19 K, 0/0 SB, .340 AVG, .400 OB%, .649 SLG

Beltran: 93 AB, 22 R, 32 H, 8 2B, 1 3B, 6 HR, 19 RBI, 16 BB, 15 K, 6/6 SB, .344 AVG, .440 OB%, .645 SLG

Honestly, how much more could these guys be expected to do? It would have been nice, on the occasions that these guys didn't get it done, if Captain Strikeout Ryan Church could have done something. Or if "Look at me" Jose Reyes had hit better than .243 in September. Or if, as nmig correctly pointed out, Luis Castillo didn't go up to the plate praying for a walk when he was in the lineup.

[nmigliore]

Speaking of matters WFAN-related, right now the Mets are getting lit up pretty good. Plenty of it is justified, but three guys who don't deserve it nearly as much, as far as September is concerned, are Wright, Delgado, and Beltran. Yeah, there were times when they didn't come through for sure, but how much better could they really have done in September...check out their (eerily similar) numbers:

Wright: 97 AB, 19 R, 33 H, 5 2B, 0 3B, 6 HR, 21 RBI, 13 BB, 23 K, 1/1 SB, .340 AVG, .416 OB%, .577 SLG

Delgado: 97 AB, 21 R, 33 H, 6 2B, 0 3B, 8 HR, 22 RBI, 11 BB, 19 K, 0/0 SB, .340 AVG, .400 OB%, .649 SLG

Beltran: 93 AB, 22 R, 32 H, 8 2B, 1 3B, 6 HR, 19 RBI, 16 BB, 15 K, 6/6 SB, .344 AVG, .440 OB%, .645 SLG

Honestly, how much more could these guys be expected to do? It would have been nice, on the occasions that these guys didn't get it done, if Captain Strikeout Ryan Church could have done something. Or if "Look at me" Jose Reyes had hit better than .243 in September. Or if, as nmig correctly pointed out, Luis Castillo didn't go up to the plate praying for a walk when he was in the lineup.

I like Evan/Beningo and Boomer/Carton.. but i hate Francesca, thats when i turn it off

I think they are right about Delgado.. hes probably gotta be the 'core' player to go. I think no question Texeira is a better option, but maybe put Murphy at 1B instead and dump Castillo and sign Orlando Hudson.. Or you can buy out Delgado and try for Texeira..

I really think someone has to go though with this offense.. they were inconsistent all year.. But I believe we need Manny in LF, despite his age HE CAN HIT and hes nowhere comparable to Moises Alou whose had a career of injury issues. We desperately need bullpen support, a closer, and a corner outfielder. I think the Mets have to look to deal a younger player.. Evans perhaps? Give up on Fmart, although thats risky? Parnell? Niese? Flores (new top prospect over F-mart)? I think you gotta make those guys available.. not Murphy though he needs to stay.. although, im sure teams will be offering for him

Edited September 29, 2008 by nmigliore