SC Devs Fan Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 you mean when he's costing us playoff games?holik took 2 offensive zone penalties tonight. it's absolutely unacceptable. since returning from injury he has 17 minor penalties in 27 games. it cannot go on like this. What Holik provides to this team is accountability, and when it gets to the playoffs he'll be riding everyone - including himself. Should he continue to take stupid penalties I would expect him to say that he should be benched for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted January 31, 2009 Share Posted January 31, 2009 huh? gives the devils momentum? i'd much rather have 2 minutes of hockey where it's 15% where my team scores a goal. he has been lucky that the penalties he's taking are being killed off but he can't control that. 17 minors translates to something between 2 and 3 goals against (and that's excepting the not-insignificant difference between even strength goals/60 and shorthanded goals/60 over the course of those minutes - probably works out to 1 goal or so). Tri, if you don't think that line's been helpful to this team than I don't know what to tell you. HAve they taken penalties, sure. Can they cut down, yes and they will. In the playoffs, I doubt most of the calls they are getting now will be made. Are you saying 15% of the fourth line shifts in the league account for a goal?. You can throw stats around all you want, but they are all hypothetical. That line is playing well. They are defensively responsible and bang around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 31, 2009 Author Share Posted January 31, 2009 Tri, if you don't think that line's been helpful to this team than I don't know what to tell you. HAve they taken penalties, sure. Can they cut down, yes and they will. In the playoffs, I doubt most of the calls they are getting now will be made. Are you saying 15% of the fourth line shifts in the league account for a goal?. You can throw stats around all you want, but they are all hypothetical. That line is playing well. They are defensively responsible and bang around. The number of power plays per game (per team) was 4.28 last season. The number of power plays in the playoffs last season was 4.4 per game. So I expect everything getting called on Holik to continue well into the post-season. Holik is a -3, so he's still been on the ice for more goals than his line has scored. I am saying the line has played okay but that Holik's overall usefulness cannot be understated. He wins a few faceoffs. He intimidates a few defensemen. He takes a ton of penalties and is slow. I'm not expecting goal scoring, but I do expect that line to draw some penalties/break even in terms of GF/GA (especially if they are up against other 4th lines). I'd be curious to see Rupp, Shanahan, and Holik's penalty plus/minus at the end of the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALBDEVSFAN Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 Give the 4th line a break you want them running around with fvcking skirts on? it's hockey not soccer boys. I would argue our 4th line is better than 90% of the 4th lines in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilinLA Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 The number of power plays per game (per team) was 4.28 last season.The number of power plays in the playoffs last season was 4.4 per game. So I expect everything getting called on Holik to continue well into the post-season. Holik is a -3, so he's still been on the ice for more goals than his line has scored. I am saying the line has played okay but that Holik's overall usefulness cannot be understated. He wins a few faceoffs. He intimidates a few defensemen. He takes a ton of penalties and is slow. I'm not expecting goal scoring, but I do expect that line to draw some penalties/break even in terms of GF/GA (especially if they are up against other 4th lines). I'd be curious to see Rupp, Shanahan, and Holik's penalty plus/minus at the end of the year. I'll go as far to say that our 4th line's physical play, particularly Holik, is directly responsible for wearing down the opposing team enough for the top two Devil lines to be a step quicker and create more opportunities. You can say that we are succeeding because of Parise, Elias or Zajac's breakout season, but I think the addition of Bobby Holik is directly related in an intangible context. Until then one can pick and choose stats to illustrate anything the are trying to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masterofgrond Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 I'll go as far to say that our 4th line's physical play, particularly Holik, is directly responsible for wearing down the opposing team enough for the top two Devil lines to be a step quicker and create more opportunities.You can say that we are succeeding because of Parise, Elias or Zajac's breakout season, but I think the addition of Bobby Holik is directly related in an intangible context. Until then one can pick and choose stats to illustrate anything the are trying to sell. I have the image of Letang hobbling off the ice after Holik just railed him a couple times in a game against the Pens earlier this season. Is he perfect? No. Does he take too many penalties? Probably. Has he helped this team more than he hurt it? In my opinion, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice dog Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) i like the fact that Bobby could give a sh!t about the super bowl... football...a bunch of roid robots and human pig people in crash helmets, tight pants, dumb ass comercial every 10 seconds...lol! http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2009/02...-bandwagon.html Devils riding on Cardinals' bandwagon My survey of the locker room today revealed that about two thirds of the Devils are picking the Arizona Cardinals to upset the Steelers in the Super Bowl today. Only two players didn't provide predictions. Brendan Shanahan claimed not to know who was playing before picking, "The Argos." Bobby Holik said, "I don't care." perhaps he's been listening to "Rocket to Russia" lately... Edited February 2, 2009 by ice dog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 2, 2009 Author Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) I'll go as far to say that our 4th line's physical play, particularly Holik, is directly responsible for wearing down the opposing team enough for the top two Devil lines to be a step quicker and create more opportunities.You can say that we are succeeding because of Parise, Elias or Zajac's breakout season, but I think the addition of Bobby Holik is directly related in an intangible context. Until then one can pick and choose stats to illustrate anything the are trying to sell. Without Holik: 55 goals in 18 games - 3.05 goals per game With Holik: 102 goals in 32 games - 3.18 goals per game keep in mind, of course, there was no Shanahan or Rolston while Holik was out. Look, I love Holik's physical play, but to think that taking an average of a minor penalty every 2 games is acceptable is just lunacy. Cam Janssen didn't even do that. We've had plenty of guys here play physical without doing that. It's not an either-or proposition. Edited February 2, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Tonight up 5-1, Bobby Holik decides to run ex-teammate Johan Hedberg when he's out of the crease. Once again, an offensive zone penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 (edited) Tonight up 5-1, Bobby Holik decides to run ex-teammate Johan Hedberg when he's out of the crease. Once again, an offensive zone penalty. that was the best penalty hes taken this year Edited February 7, 2009 by nmigliore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 for a change, tonight holik actually took a defensive zone penalty where he thought it was 2000 and he was defending against mats sundin with a few well-placed hooks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 (edited) Maybe it is time that Holik needs to be a healthy scratch. One of the next couple of games sit him, move Rupp to center and put Pandolfo back in. Edited February 8, 2009 by jkrdevil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Maybe it is time that Holik needs to be a healthy scratch. One of the next couple of games sit him, move Rupp to center and put Pandolfo back in. as tony soprano might say, holik's penalty-taking is kind of the 400-pound elephant in the room. i haven't heard chico comment on it, it hasn't been mentioned on TG's blog, i've not heard sutter make reference to it. it's like it isn't there. but this guy (or shanahan) is going to cost us a playoff game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 as tony soprano might say, holik's penalty-taking is kind of the 400-pound elephant in the room. i haven't heard chico comment on it, it hasn't been mentioned on TG's blog, i've not heard sutter make reference to it. it's like it isn't there. but this guy (or shanahan) is going to cost us a playoff game. You're about seven years too late with that prediction...Game 5, 2002 against Carolina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 for a change, tonight holik actually took a defensive zone penalty where he thought it was 2000 and he was defending against mats sundin with a few well-placed hooks. whereas we can skate with the opponent's stick attached to our guts and not get a call. He's getting targeted, as are we as a team. Not saying he's always being smart, because he's not, but it's getting borderline farcical now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 for a change, tonight holik actually took a defensive zone penalty where he thought it was 2000 and he was defending against mats sundin with a few well-placed hooks. whereas we can skate with the opponent's stick attached to our guts and not get a call. He's getting targeted, as are we as a team. Not saying he's always being smart, because he's not, but it's getting borderline farcical now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Holik gets fvcking dragged on like a water ski, as does Rupp and Zubrus AND NO fvckING CALLS. It's ridiclous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 Holik gets fvcking dragged on like a water ski, as does Rupp and Zubrus AND NO fvckING CALLS. It's ridiclous. for what it's worth, zubrus could get called for a holding penalty seemingly every time he goes into the corner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msweet Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 Holik is getting worse each game. He needs a scratch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowutopia Posted February 8, 2009 Share Posted February 8, 2009 agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 12, 2009 Author Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) this thread was tough to find since it had been a whole one game since holik took a penalty. but tonight he got back into the 6th column with a silly goalie interference penalty. what i don't understand is that if holik were a rookie he'd be benched for these things. i did see him miss a shift in the 2nd, but there he was starting the third period. Edited February 12, 2009 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 (edited) this thread was tough to find since it had been a whole one game since holik took a penalty. but tonight he got back into the 6th column with a silly goalie interference penalty. i couldnt find it either for some reason.. i went back like 3 pages but gave up, i musta missed it unless it was beyond page 3. anyway, another o-zone penalty and they scored on the pp. Edited February 12, 2009 by nmigliore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 this thread was tough to find since it had been a whole one game since holik took a penalty. but tonight he got back into the 6th column with a silly goalie interference penalty.what i don't understand is that if holik were a rookie he'd be benched for these things. i did see him miss a shift in the 2nd, but there he was starting the third period. according to TG, he was benched for the rest of the 2nd after the penalty: http://njmg.typepad.com/devilsblog/2009/02...t-benching.html When I asked Bobby Holik after the game about being bench for the last 13:45 of the second period after his goaltender interference penalty led to Kyle Okposo's power-play goal, he pretended as if it didn't happen."I don't know what you're talking about," he said. "Maybe it was a strategy." Holik did come back to take a regular shift in the third, but Devils coach Brent Sutter said the only strategy involved was trying to get a point across to Holik. "You can't take penalties like that," Sutter said. "Those are going to be called. It's in the offensive zone and you can't take offensive-zone penalties." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have Another Donut Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 how about his stupid give away when tried to stick handle past someone 2 feet in front of his own net instead of chipping up the boards. Weekes saved his ass on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Goalies are most definitely unsafe with Bobby Holik on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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