NJDevs4978 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) Elias-Gomez-Gionta mystifies me. I have no idea what they are doing on the ice half the time. Probably because only two of them give a damn anymore. I've defended Gomez in the past but I'm sorry the guy can't suck enough this year. It's not just his lack of offense, that's one thing - he just doesn't hustle at all, until it's like the last two minutes or overtime. Things would be a lot better if he would stop frigging pouting about Lou not giving him a long-term deal and start fvcking playing As for the game itself, Marty had a rare off night but can't kill him, he's been carrying us this year. Still is it any surprise that one of his few off games comes against Atlanta? Boy have I had enough of that team. Between them and the Isles they cost us like a thousand points a year. And now that both teams are actually good it'll be that much harder to beat them I actually thought the team as a whole played okay, they didn't look too confident at times though - probably because of the Thrasher jinx. Edited December 20, 2006 by Hasan4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elias2600 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 yeah we should be happy to get out of that with a point the way hossas game was going tonight. btw, zajac continues to be freaking awesome along the boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 was at the game tonight in 110 ... my observations gomez= doesnt care. elias does not use his speed and shot. he tries to be crafty way too much. gionta is the only one on that line that seems to care anymore... langenbrunner had a crappy defensive game... anyone could have scored the goal he scored so its not that special. he also whines a lot. i cant tell you how unbelievable parise is... even if he is not on the scoresheet as much, he plays 110% every shift and has huge heart great job and great shot to oduya for his first nhl goal... he has some jump in his step and i was impressed. rafalski is NON EXISTENT.... white is useless... martin, oduya, and hale are the best D right now. the fourth line is playing well and i like to see that. lots of his... NOTE TO JULIEN: 4 ON 4 DOES NOT MEAN PENALTY KILL... MADDEN AND PANDOLFO SHOULD NOT BE ON THE ICE EVERY OTHER SHIFT IN OVERTIME!!!! YOU HAVE 6 PLAYERS ON YOUR TOP TWO SCORING LINES... MAKE THREE LINES AND ROTATE THEM ... JESUS CHRIST! the second line played decently... attendance said 10,116.... small crowd as usual but it was loud at points so i was surprised. the rangers suck chants have to stop... now everyone is trying to do them. the best part of tonight was the guy that stood behind the atlanta bench making fun of lehtonen for using eyedrops at every commercial break... he stand there and screamed until hedberg threw him a bottle of eyedrops and the whole section cheered haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I get a feeling that Julien won't last the season. His inability to get the team up and going consistently is a problem that Lou never had. I feel like Lou might put himself back behind the bench or get mr. Burns to return. This team is performing similarly to Larry's. Not as bad, but close enough. One step forward, one step back. Your feeling is incorrect. Lou is not going back behind the bench. Burns is not returning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Your feeling is incorrect.Lou is not going back behind the bench. Burns is not returning. Don't be so sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Don't be so sure. I don't get the Burns love - sure seems like he took a team as good as this one to a first round loss. There were certainly mitigating circumstances in that first round - but that team was not much worse than this one. He is a decent coach but his message gets old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I don't get the Burns love - sure seems like he took a team as good as this one to a first round loss. There were certainly mitigating circumstances in that first round - but that team was not much worse than this one.He is a decent coach but his message gets old. just because Burns was an old dog doesn't mean he couldn't have learned a new trick...people didn't see the Burns effect wear off with us so they don't think it ever would. And who knows, maybe he would've learned something from experience and found a way not to lose the locker room like he usually does. He did deserve another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Here we go again with the Julien nonsense. Is it Julien's fault that Gomez is pouting all over the ice because of his contract? Is it Julien's fault that Elias - until recently - and Gionta aren't producting the way we thought they would? Is it his fault all the d-men take turns at sucking (tonight it was Whitey's turn)? I admit Burns is a serious upgrade and quite a few of the players that are here now weren't when Burns coached so I'm not sure how much his message will 'wear' on the team. Burns can coach with Ruff, Laviolette, Nolan, etc; I'm not sure Julien can. But I don't believe Lou would can Julien a half-season into a three-year deal and I don't think he would have hired Julien for that long if he thought there was a chance Burns could come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 im not bashing julien... i think he is a good coach... but pandolfo and madden being put on the ice that frequently in overtime means that they dont want to win... that is a defensive line... and you CANT say that they are out there to defend agaisnt hossa and kovalchuk because they devils are the only team in the nhl that do that... and with the best goalie in the world in the net, we should def take some more chances.... why would you want to play for the shootout with atlanta? they are loaded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 njdevil26, Putting out Pandolfo and Madden there is 100% standard, and is far better than the option of, say, Parise and Brylin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevil26 Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 it just doesnt seem like they want to score.... you would think we would take some chances in OT to avoid a shootout with three of the best players in the league Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 it just doesnt seem like they want to score.... you would think we would take some chances in OT to avoid a shootout with three of the best players in the league We did. We took plenty of chances. Pando and Madden aren't terrible on offense at 4 on 4 either - it's 5 on 5 where their flaws really get exposed. With Madden's speed, he's a reasonable threat to score 4 on 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 (edited) Just a note on Burns and I am not saying the Devils should go after him. Watched him on OTR the other day and he said he is healthy and could coach now if he wanted to but he hasn't gotten any offers yet. He is looking to get back coaching and is missing it. Edited December 20, 2006 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Here we go again with the Julien nonsense. Is it Julien's fault that Gomez is pouting all over the ice because of his contract? Is it Julien's fault that Elias - until recently - and Gionta aren't producting the way we thought they would? Is it his fault all the d-men take turns at sucking (tonight it was Whitey's turn)?I admit Burns is a serious upgrade and quite a few of the players that are here now weren't when Burns coached so I'm not sure how much his message will 'wear' on the team. Burns can coach with Ruff, Laviolette, Nolan, etc; I'm not sure Julien can. But I don't believe Lou would can Julien a half-season into a three-year deal and I don't think he would have hired Julien for that long if he thought there was a chance Burns could come back. Hasan IT IS partially Julien's fault. For whatever reason, they aren't playing for him. The Devils have historically needed someone behind the bench who was a ass-kicker. Look at Gomez' play from Larry to Lou. With Lou behind the bench, you will go 100% every shift, because the guy behind the bench is Dr. Evil. It's not fully the coahces fault for players who don't care, however, you can't change the players as easily as teh coach. I don't understand why Julien was hired in the first place. He seems in between tough/easy going, and this team isn't playing very well for him on a consistent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils731 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Madden and Pando were on the ice whenever Hossa was on the ice. If Julien hadn't and Hossa had scored to win it you watch the board howl about how bad it is not to play Madden and Pando that much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Might have been said already, but Oduya's goal yesterday was the first even strength goal by a Devils defenseman this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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njdevil26 Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 http://www.devilsrule.com/forums/viewtopic...&highlight= lovely, happy people over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Hasan IT IS partially Julien's fault. For whatever reason, they aren't playing for him. The Devils have historically needed someone behind the bench who was a ass-kicker. Look at Gomez' play from Larry to Lou. With Lou behind the bench, you will go 100% every shift, because the guy behind the bench is Dr. Evil. It's not fully the coahces fault for players who don't care, however, you can't change the players as easily as teh coach. I don't understand why Julien was hired in the first place. He seems in between tough/easy going, and this team isn't playing very well for him on a consistent basis. I already made a very long post earlier this season detailing why there isn't close to enough information to say 'The Devils historically need an ass-kicker', whatever that means. More than half this team wasn't here when Larry got canned the first time around, and the other half really aren't the type to slack off regardless of who is coaching (Pando, Madden, Brylin). Elias is traditionally a late-season guy. Gionta way overperformed expectation last year and is coming back to earth - he's not a 46 goal guy. Gomez - fvck him, if we have to hire a coach for him, he's gone. Langenbrunner is overperforming expectations. Rafalski - underperforming, has nothing to do with coaching. Paul Martin has slowed in his development - I don't think that can be attributed to Julien. If Elias continues to play this way throughout the season, I'll agree - Julien should go. But as is, he's got a fine squad here, and the Devils are *not* changing coaches midyear again. Lou is certainly not coming back to coach either - I'll bet on that any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Whether they are playing well or not, I think line-by-line is doing their very best, except for the first line. You can't ask anything more from Zajac/Parise/Langenbrunner, the two young guys are playing well and more-importantly in their development, working very hard. Jamie has taken some dumb penalties, and gets frustrated and sort of whines to the refs a bunch, but is playing well too. Madden/Pando/Brylin, fantaastic every night (Although, I'm not sure Brylin fits in perfectly anywhere). The fourth line has been good too. I just feel like Elias and Gionta are relying, and rightfully so, on Gomez. Gomez is the play maker and the other two are finishers. Gomez half-asses it way too much, and its costing us. I just don't get what his problem is. It's shift to shift with Scotty, some of them he's spot on, other's he's way off. I feel like Gomer is the only problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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