caron14 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 There are some mental collapse there. It's how we loose game. Everytime we take a 2 or 3 goal leads, other team comebacks against us. That can't happen if your team is well prepared to play with an advance. We don't play with any confidence. When we trailed we dont show we can comeback and when we lead we doubt we can keep it. Yes we have an average lineup. But i still believe this team ( with actual roster) should makes the playoffs. With a new coach, there is no way a guy like ryder plays for us. We play to many liabilty, even our captain is not intense. Sloppy decision and plays. Our players ( except cammy, henrique and jagr) dont believe. We need character and all that is at the image of the coach. That's why a team like calgary, nashville etc are retlentless. They have that attitude and mentality that we use to have years ago. Calgary outwork their opponent every fvcking games. When they loose they dont talk about <<tough building or deserve better>> they talk about how they can get better. Im tired of excuses and i receive excuses for two years now. Pete deboer time is up with us let´s face it and turn the page. Yes he had a cup run in 2012, but let me remind us that the guys had all the motivation in the world the year before by jacques lemaire. And this team no longer exist. It no longer devils hockey to me. Our identity was to be tough to play against. Today, teams play their backup and beats us anyways. I became a fan of this team when i was a kid in the late 90 because they make me believe. No matter who they play, they will compete hard and give everything they have. A team that frustrate other team´s. A team that found ways to win. A team that you say( there is no easy game against them) well since 2012 we didn't see more of that hockey. We have to refind that... What hurt me the most is really the way we play. I want to be proud of that logo again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Brown Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 What we need is a good defensive minded coach. Deboer is not it. When you have a slower roster, offensive minded systems don't work. Just look at the Devils from 2005-2008. Specifically focus on the 2007-2008 Devils. http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NJD/2008.html LW Parise Elias Pandolfo Brylin C Zajac Madden Zubrus Rupp RW Gionta Langenbrunner Clarkson Asham D Martin White Vishnevski Mottau Rachunek Oduya Greene Brookbank Salvador How did THAT team win 46 games, and finish with 99 points? Well the big reason was because Marty was amazing that year. But the other big reason was because of coaching. Brent Sutter had a good defensive system in place. I don't believe for a second that that roster is better than the current one. The 07-08 team had 3 players finish with 50 or more points, and one player finish with 60 points. And our current defense is much better than that team. I think if the current Devils were to have a good defensive coach, we'd have more wins than we do know. Deboer is too offensive minded, and his system is terrible for the roster we currently have. The neutral zone play is bad. Even if there is no better coach available, I still think a shakeup is in order. Hell just change things up. It wouldn't hurt to try. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak926 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 Just tired of losing ! Changes need to be made. Amazing that team won 46 games and 99 points. They use to be a pretty good team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) What we need is a good defensive minded coach. Deboer is not it. When you have a slower roster, offensive minded systems don't work. Just look at the Devils from 2005-2008. Specifically focus on the 2007-2008 Devils. http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NJD/2008.html LW Parise Elias Pandolfo Brylin C Zajac Madden Zubrus Rupp RW Gionta Langenbrunner Clarkson Asham D Martin White Vishnevski Mottau Rachunek Oduya Greene Brookbank Salvador How did THAT team win 46 games, and finish with 99 points? Well the big reason was because Marty was amazing that year. But the other big reason was because of coaching. Brent Sutter had a good defensive system in place. I don't believe for a second that that roster is better than the current one. The 07-08 team had 3 players finish with 50 or more points, and one player finish with 60 points. And our current defense is much better than that team. I think if the current Devils were to have a good defensive coach, we'd have more wins than we do know. Deboer is too offensive minded, and his system is terrible for the roster we currently have. The neutral zone play is bad. Even if there is no better coach available, I still think a shakeup is in order. Hell just change things up. It wouldn't hurt to try. I'll disagree with most of this. Deboer is a good defensive coach. Before this season, the Devils were .1 shots from giving up the least amount of shots in 11-12, 1st in SA in '13 by 1.1 less than the next closest, and 1st last year by SA by .7. The 07-08 Devils were not a very good team by any stretch. And just a reminder, they were a mess when Sutter first started giving up a sh!tload of goals. 8-10-2 in their first 20 before they ran off a very nice win streak. Still time for this group to do it here. Brodeur had his best NHL season that year, and deserved some MVP nominations. But if you want to compare that team with this one, that group is a lot better. Parise blossoming into a superstar, Elias is still great, Gionta is really good, Langenbrunner is very good. Pandolfo and especially Madden are really solid defensive forwards. Zubrus is 7 years younger. It's just a better group. A few of those defensemen are bad, but in the same way a few of the current Devils defensemen are bad. You lose offense on the back end, but as a Defensive group, for the right then/or now and not the future, you take the 07-08 group. Also, if you were judging the 07-08 group after 20-25 games, you aren't liking anything about them, either. Edited December 1, 2014 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS#4-Life Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 What we need is a good defensive minded coach. Deboer is not it. When you have a slower roster, offensive minded systems don't work. Just look at the Devils from 2005-2008. Specifically focus on the 2007-2008 Devils. http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NJD/2008.html LW Parise Elias Pandolfo Brylin C Zajac Madden Zubrus Rupp RW Gionta Langenbrunner Clarkson Asham D Martin White Vishnevski Mottau Rachunek Oduya Greene Brookbank Salvador How did THAT team win 46 games, and finish with 99 points? Well the big reason was because Marty was amazing that year. But the other big reason was because of coaching. Brent Sutter had a good defensive system in place. I don't believe for a second that that roster is better than the current one. The 07-08 team had 3 players finish with 50 or more points, and one player finish with 60 points. And our current defense is much better than that team. I think if the current Devils were to have a good defensive coach, we'd have more wins than we do know. Deboer is too offensive minded, and his system is terrible for the roster we currently have. The neutral zone play is bad. Even if there is no better coach available, I still think a shakeup is in order. Hell just change things up. It wouldn't hurt to try. +1 well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 (edited) What we need is a good defensive minded coach. Deboer is not it. When you have a slower roster, offensive minded systems don't work. Just look at the Devils from 2005-2008. Specifically focus on the 2007-2008 Devils. http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NJD/2008.html LW Parise Elias Pandolfo Brylin C Zajac Madden Zubrus Rupp RW Gionta Langenbrunner Clarkson Asham D Martin White Vishnevski Mottau Rachunek Oduya Greene Brookbank Salvador How did THAT team win 46 games, and finish with 99 points? Well the big reason was because Marty was amazing that year. But the other big reason was because of coaching. Brent Sutter had a good defensive system in place. I don't believe for a second that that roster is better than the current one. The 07-08 team had 3 players finish with 50 or more points, and one player finish with 60 points. And our current defense is much better than that team. I think if the current Devils were to have a good defensive coach, we'd have more wins than we do know. Deboer is too offensive minded, and his system is terrible for the roster we currently have. The neutral zone play is bad. Even if there is no better coach available, I still think a shakeup is in order. Hell just change things up. It wouldn't hurt to try. I really disagree with your assessment- this roster is not better than 07-08.Our defense is bad. On any given night there have been at least 3 liabilities back there, and it seems to rotate weekly- take your pick of any of gelinas, salvador, zidlicky, severson, helgeson, Larsson, Harrold... heck even Greene has had a bad year by his standards. We let fayne and volchenkov go, that was probably the best decision long term but were now dealing win the growing pains of young players and the fading of older ones. I know everyone gets a hard on thinking of a future D corps that includes Larsson, Severson, Merrill, Santini, etc. but that's projecting youth and not looking at the current reality. If I had to win a game today, I would take that 07-08 d corps over our current one 100 times out of 100. Edited December 1, 2014 by dmann422 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beezer34 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 What we need is a good defensive minded coach. Deboer is not it. When you have a slower roster, offensive minded systems don't work. Just look at the Devils from 2005-2008. Specifically focus on the 2007-2008 Devils. http://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/NJD/2008.html LW Parise Elias Pandolfo Brylin C Zajac Madden Zubrus Rupp RW Gionta Langenbrunner Clarkson Asham D Martin White Vishnevski Mottau Rachunek Oduya Greene Brookbank Salvador How did THAT team win 46 games, and finish with 99 points? Well the big reason was because Marty was amazing that year. But the other big reason was because of coaching. Brent Sutter had a good defensive system in place. I don't believe for a second that that roster is better than the current one. The 07-08 team had 3 players finish with 50 or more points, and one player finish with 60 points. And our current defense is much better than that team. I think if the current Devils were to have a good defensive coach, we'd have more wins than we do know. Deboer is too offensive minded, and his system is terrible for the roster we currently have. The neutral zone play is bad. Even if there is no better coach available, I still think a shakeup is in order. Hell just change things up. It wouldn't hurt to try. ..eye-opening. Good point(s) MD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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