MantaRay Posted November 18, 2013 Share Posted November 18, 2013 (edited) Me. The conventional picks for 1st overall (After discounting who was taken RB wise, would have been Foster--McCoy-Rice) I didn't mock the round, just the #1 overall. (ie, I would have thought you could trade down a lil bit in the 1st and still grab him... I was promptly told then, and now, I was wrong ) Then again, my starting RBs were complete busts; with only Fred Jackson being of any significant value (Richardson-Martin-Mathews-FJackson); then again, my WR suck too outside of Decker (Decker-Williams-TAustin-Britt-MAustin. Good thing I usually do well with midseason waivers. Really? granted things change dramatically during the timing of our draft, but there was no way Foster was a #1 pick this year (he was losing feeling in his legs during training camp and didn't participate most of it) and Rice...don't get me started as to why he wasn't going in the first round. Lynch, Charles and AP were the only true #1's based on the lack of time share/ situational play and good OL. It's rounds 4+ that I got wrong. Edited November 18, 2013 by MantaRay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Finally Swamps is no longer the pts leader, it was getting silly watching a team under 500 leading the league in pts.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi, I'm VALUE! Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 Really? granted things change dramatically during the timing of our draft, but there was no way Foster was a #1 pick this year (he was losing feeling in his legs during training camp and didn't participate most of it) and Rice...don't get me started as to why he wasn't going in the first round. Lynch, Charles and AP were the only true #1's based on the lack of time share/ situational play and good OL. It's rounds 4+ that I got wrong. I call BS on some of this. There's no way you could know that Rice would regress this badly...even if regression was planned for, he's gone completely down the tubes in the most unexpected way possible (possibly due to an in-season injury). He should have been getting good passing down work even if his running regressed. Coming into the season, he was still a 1st round pick based on at least on reputation, volume, and the dearth of other options available. And based on the keeper list, I could argue that LeSean McCoy was a possible #1 overall. He was projected for a massive bump in workload. That said...two weeks till playoff time, and we have, essentially, 8 teams for 6 slots. In the interesting column for the season's end: -VALUE clinches playoffs and bye with one win in the next two (Masked, Manta). -Dynamo essentially clinches playoffs and a bye with a win vs Manta, since his scoring has him winning all ties at this point unless Iced Z outscores him by 70 over the next two weeks (or Value outscores him by 20 over the same two weeks, though that tiebreaker is only significant if Value loses twice and Dynamo loses once and wins once). -Iced Z and Wack MCs are the scoring leaders of the pack of 6-5's, so the loser of that battle in Week 12 will still have a significant playoff advantage going into Week 13 and the winner is all but assured a playoff spot unless either team goes into the scoring toilet. -If MantaRavens makes the playoffs, they'll have earned it, going through both Dynamo and Value in consecutive weeks. Wack MC's also has to go through Dynamo and Iced Z, not an easy schedule. -Conversely, DR has the easiest schedule by opponents' record (Swamps and West Side), although... -Swamps, who is second in the league in scoring, could prove to be a significant spoiler vs either DR or Crack o' 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 Literally nobody was arguing McCoy as the #1 overall at the time coming off a subpar year last season, in fact he went mid-1st here even with the keepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 I call BS on some of this. There's no way you could know that Rice would regress this badly...even if regression was planned for, he's gone completely down the tubes in the most unexpected way possible (possibly due to an in-season injury). He should have been getting good passing down work even if his running regressed. Coming into the season, he was still a 1st round pick based on at least on reputation, volume, and the dearth of other options available. You can call whatever you want Al. YES, I knew Rice would regress: I am a Raven fan. The second we traded Boldin, we were a below .500 team which would be easy to defend against. Teams would stack the line against our running game, in addition Bernard Pierce looked like he was the better RB going into the season. So, yes, I didn't have my own RB in my top 15 backs. The only player I drafted from the Ravens was our kicker, knowing we could not score TD's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted November 19, 2013 Author Share Posted November 19, 2013 (edited) Finally Swamps is no longer the pts leader, it was getting silly watching a team under 500 leading the league in pts.... How do you think I feel about being 4-7 with that point total? It was actually a pretty significant point lead over everyone (sans VALUE) until I lost Rodgers and then cratered this week. Hardly matters at this point since winning tiebreakers aren't going to do me much good anyway unless 'three' 6-5 teams somehow lose out and I win two straight. I didn't just pad it with a couple good weeks though, I had consistently high totals for the most part. Guess this season is what I get for complaining about the playoff losses, at least I made it all those other seasons You can call whatever you want Al. YES, I knew Rice would regress: I am a Raven fan. The second we traded Boldin, we were a below .500 team which would be easy to defend against. Teams would stack the line against our running game, in addition Bernard Pierce looked like he was the better RB going into the season. So, yes, I didn't have my own RB in my top 15 backs. The only player I drafted from the Ravens was our kicker, knowing we could not score TD's. Well we all had ones we hit and missed on during the draft. I was perhaps most wrong about Clown's team, I thought it was going to be really good but it's been a disaster. Having Roddy hurt, Spiller bomb and most of his backfield hurt/inconsistent didn't help. Plus a couple guys I was mad about getting jacked over during the draft (Bowe, Mendenhall, even the Bears D) turned out not to have good seasons anyway. As usual my early-round WR picks bombed, I want to ban myself from picking WR's till the 7th round next year (where I got DeSean), except there's really not much else worthy of being picked before then since the RB's get scooped up by round 5 and you're not picking backup QB's then unless you want to get goofy. Plus at this point Julius Thomas might wind up being my keeper in the 14th round so I won't be needing an early-round TE if that's the case. DeSean (round 7) and Moreno (round 10) are my other current keeper options but I doubt Moreno repeats this season. They were probably my best calls of this year though. Edited November 20, 2013 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi, I'm VALUE! Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 You can call whatever you want Al. YES, I knew Rice would regress: I am a Raven fan. The second we traded Boldin, we were a below .500 team which would be easy to defend against. Teams would stack the line against our running game, in addition Bernard Pierce looked like he was the better RB going into the season. So, yes, I didn't have my own RB in my top 15 backs. The only player I drafted from the Ravens was our kicker, knowing we could not score TD's. Right, the regression isn't what I was taking issue with. It's the degree of regression. Even planning for regression in production, Rice, as of draft month, would still qualify as a starting RB for fantasy, and running backs from sub-500 teams can be fantasy productive (see Peterson, Adrian). That his production has fallen so far off a cliff is something I'm not sure anyone could have seen coming, even the most gloomy prognosticator of doom. Here's where I show someone else's work in support. From the article: Here's the Rice stat that really floors me, making me skeptical about his ability to dent any defense: On 43 carries this season against nickel packages, Ray is averaging just 2.1 yards. Two-point-one. (That's per PFF's Mike Clay, so you know it's good.) We obviously expect rushing production to improve, not decline, when extra DBs are on the field. Last year, Rice picked up 4.6 YPC versus nickel. If you'd assumed that his struggles this season were merely a byproduct of extra defensive attention, think again. The hip injury could very well be the culprit here, but, if that's the case, there's no reason to think he'll get better without rest and/or maintenance. To give a baseline, this article summarizes that league-average for runs against nickel defenses over the last five years is 4.6 YPC. Now, while regression was to be expected with a younger, less-experienced core of receivers shifting defensive focus more towards the run as well as the retirement of Matt Birk (and the potential regression of the rest of the OL), even the most negative of prognosticators would have pegged Rice for more along the lines of 3.4 YPC (a full yard drop off) in a bad year, or at least 6 YPR. That'd still be bad, but considering the landscape of running backs around the league that get significant reps, it's still a first or second round RB2 for fantasy purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 How do you think I feel about being 4-7 with that point total? It was actually a pretty significant point lead over everyone (sans VALUE) until I lost Rodgers and then cratered this week. Hardly matters at this point since winning tiebreakers aren't going to do me much good anyway unless 'three' 6-5 teams somehow lose out and I win two straight. I didn't just pad it with a couple good weeks though, I had consistently high totals for the most part. Guess this season is what I get for complaining about the playoff losses, at least I made it all those other seasons Well we all had ones we hit and missed on during the draft. I was perhaps most wrong about Clown's team, I thought it was going to be really good but it's been a disaster. Having Roddy hurt, Spiller bomb and most of his backfield hurt/inconsistent didn't help. Plus a couple guys I was mad about getting jacked over during the draft (Bowe, Mendenhall, even the Bears D) turned out not to have good seasons anyway. As usual my early-round WR picks bombed, I want to ban myself from picking WR's till the 7th round next year (where I got DeSean), except there's really not much else worthy of being picked before then since the RB's get scooped up by round 5 and you're not picking backup QB's then unless you want to get goofy. Plus at this point Julius Thomas might wind up being my keeper in the 14th round so I won't be needing an early-round TE if that's the case. DeSean (round 7) and Moreno (round 10) are my other current keeper options but I doubt Moreno repeats this season. They were probably my best calls of this year though. At this point I'm just keeping my figers crossed that none of my players are injured, Over the last 2 years I have been very lucky with the injuries.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi, I'm VALUE! Posted November 20, 2013 Share Posted November 20, 2013 Right, the regression isn't what I was taking issue with. It's the degree of regression. Even planning for regression in production, Rice, as of draft month, would still qualify as a starting RB for fantasy, and running backs from sub-500 teams can be fantasy productive (see Peterson, Adrian). That his production has fallen so far off a cliff is something I'm not sure anyone could have seen coming, even the most gloomy prognosticator of doom. Here's where I show someone else's work in support. From the article: To give a baseline, this article summarizes that league-average for runs against nickel defenses over the last five years is 4.6 YPC. Now, while regression was to be expected with a younger, less-experienced core of receivers shifting defensive focus more towards the run as well as the retirement of Matt Birk (and the potential regression of the rest of the OL), even the most negative of prognosticators would have pegged Rice for more along the lines of 3.4 YPC (a full yard drop off) in a bad year, or at least 6 YPR. That'd still be bad, but considering the landscape of running backs around the league that get significant reps, it's still a first or second round RB2 for fantasy purposes. I'm quoting myself to add something I didn't think of previously to this, from Bill Barnwell's article about the decline of the RB: The Ravens also traded away the energetic run blocking of Anquan Boldin, but the other guy who has been missing from their attack is a player they actually retained: Vonta Leach. Baltimore's fullback was released during the offseason before eventually re-signing with the team, but they've been hesitant to use him as a regular player. In 2012, Leach wasn't an every-down player, but he did get on the field for 42 percent of Baltimore's offensive snaps. This year, Leach has played just 25 percent of the offensive snaps. You might figure that his role is increasing because of Baltimore's struggles with the run, but he's actually seeing the field less and less; Leach has played on just 31 of the team's 226 offensive snaps over the past three weeks, a mere 14 percent. Given how bad the running game was before the Bears game, it seems like it might be time to give Leach the role he previously enjoyed in the offense and see if that pushes things forward. Astounding that a team that wants the running game to flourish to set up the pass won't put one of their best run-blockers on the field. That's on coaching philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 An ugly, ugly win... but a most needed win, by the Sworn D. Bring it on MF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi, I'm VALUE! Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Locked in playoffs, all that stands between me and a #1 seed is a beating Manta will never forget. Come on, Purple Haze, bring it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 You are right, I will never forget beating you and taking away your #1 spot. Qapla!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redruM Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Hello... Incase you guys missed it, Manta Wins, I win... I get #1... and since Seatleis playing this week, you can lock up 120 for Dynamo Nation.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 You better get 120+, I need you and Clown to win this week to have any shot at the playoffs Of course with my luck I'll probably GET both the other teams I need to lose to lose and then crap out in a high-scoring game to CRASHER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 It still has to You better get 120+, I need you and Clown to win this week to have any shot at the playoffs Of course with my luck I'll probably GET both the other teams I need to lose to lose and then crap out in a high-scoring game to CRASHER It has to suck to know that 2pts total is the difference between you down there, and you at the #2 spot. I'd like to take credit to be the first to upset you. Hey, if we swapped scores; we'd still both be in; but I'd be even more of a bubble team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted November 26, 2013 Author Share Posted November 26, 2013 (edited) It still has to It has to suck to know that 2pts total is the difference between you down there, and you at the #2 spot. I'd like to take credit to be the first to upset you. Hey, if we swapped scores; we'd still both be in; but I'd be even more of a bubble team. Those two games don't even bother me as much as the two recent games where if I made one different borderline managing decision in each I would have won both of them. That happens to everyone though, I suppose you only notice it when it happens to yourself. But yeah losing two games by that razor thin margin didn't help. I would have actually been top seed with those two wins since my other miniscule loss was to VALUE. Also my other league - a 16-team PPR - I'm second overall there in scoring, but am only 7-5. Lost one ridonculously high scoring game the opening week, and lost this week when I had Edelman, Jared Cook (who stunk most of the year for me) and some random DE for the Rams (who scored a TD) combine for 66 points against me while I had Peyton, Ridley and Cruz lay a stinkbomb. I still need to win this week and have another team lose to make the playoffs there too. Edited November 27, 2013 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 I don't know how....but all 3 of my teams with different rosters are ALL 6-6.....go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted November 26, 2013 Share Posted November 26, 2013 Those two games don't even bother me as much as the two recent games where if I made one different borderline managing decision in each I would have won both of them. That happens to everyone though, I suppose you only notice it when it happens to yourself. But yeah losing two games by that razor thin margin didn't help. Also my other league - a 16-team PPR - I'm second overall there in scoring, but am only 7-5. Lost one ridonculously high scoring game the opening week, and lost this week when I had Edelman, Jared Cook (who stunk most of the year for me) and some random DE for the Rams (who scored a TD) combine for 66 points against me while I had Peyton, Ridley and Cruz lay a stinkbomb. I still need to win this week and have another team lose to make the playoffs there too. My RBs; and for the most part, I guess most... are just too inconsistent. In my cash league I had ~slightly~ better luck. At least Rice and Murray play (unlike Martin and Richardson -who might as well be IRd for sucking). It's become a league of managing the WR matchups; which I'm not a fan of. In my cash league I have DJackson, Floyd, Tate, Boykin, TWilliams, SJohnson. and it's PPR. I secured a playoff spot though, and fighting for the division lead (Tied for 1st, but losing on points... the guy is 8-4; with two of those losses against me... that should count! arg ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi, I'm VALUE! Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Manta Wins Look, if you're going to make outlandish claims, throw a smiley face out there or something. Look on the bright side, #2 still gets a bye in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Look, if you're going to make outlandish claims, throw a smiley face out there or something. Look on the bright side, #2 still gets a bye in the playoffs. Lighten up, Francis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 Look, if you're going to make outlandish claims, throw a smiley face out there or something. Look on the bright side, #2 still gets a bye in the playoffs. MANTA WINS is a general statement. Manta rarely loses and it looks like I have a bye this week considering the weaker competition. So, yeah lighten up Francis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted November 29, 2013 Share Posted November 29, 2013 MANTA WINS is a general statement. Manta rarely loses and it looks like I have a bye this week considering the weaker competition. So, yeah lighten up Francis. Bold statement for a guy who's only once finished in the top 3 of this league since 2004..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 Bold statement for a guy who's only once finished in the top 3 of this league since 2004..... I see the pain killers are starting to kick in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 I see the pain killers are starting to kick in. Go look at the league's history.....yahoo stats don't lie......PS the Vicodin remains untouched and a waste of $40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted November 30, 2013 Share Posted November 30, 2013 You can't make the distinction between trash talk and debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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