mikepeluso8 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 ESPN - Devils G Martin Brodeur says "worst ice I ever played hockey on" after loss to Rangers at Yankee Stadium Bro you're a goalie. Quit complaining about the ice, there were plenty of skaters that had to tough it out I saw that and thought, "WOW what a cop out" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 first of all, it's NOT because of the financial situation that lou simply refuse to talk to players during the season SO we kept guys like clarkson who could have got a "decent" return (based on what Clowe got from the sharks which were also in the race for the playoffs so stop the excuse now folks) Lou didnt do certain moves simply because he wanted to do things his way. No cause he was strapped. I've said it before but clarkson was the perfect example. Any GM would have sat with the guy at least before the trade deadline to know his demand so that he knows if he'd be able/willing to keep him or not. Lou simply DENIED that part of the process and gave up on the negociations only when it was too late. Sure we got clower which may be a better player than Clarkson, but how 'bout clowe and 2 2nd nd pick or wtv? cause with simply a simple discusssion we could have had that. But we didnt cause Lou didnt want to talk during the season. Oh god, on top of everything else, we have this again… Devils were in the playoff run at the trade deadline last year. It's been said again and again. You don't trade one of your top scorers if you think you can make the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikepeluso8 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Roenick has gone off the deep end. Met him in Hoboken at City Bistro over the summer right before I moved to LA. Dude is funny as hell and as random as hell in person in casual conversation. First thing he says to me, "brooooooo, LAAAAAAAAA...good luck mannnnnn....I almost got divorced 6 times because of that (effing) place". He was cool and I became a bigger fan after chatting with him that night...super approachable, laid back, kinda douchey but funny as hell. Edited January 26, 2014 by mikepeluso8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Anyway this is what happens when you don't play well and Brodeur is in net - the Rangers are fast and NJ made a lot of bad plays that helped that speed out. We can only hope this is what gets the coaching staff to see what a lot of others are seeing - Brodeur is through and should play, at most, in back to back games the rest of the season. And we need to inject more speed at forward for next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) Oh god, on top of everything else, we have this again… Devils were in the playoff run at the trade deadline last year. It's been said again and again. You don't trade one of your top scorers if you think you can make the playoffs. Sharks were also in the race for the playoffs and traded Clowe. So fvck off with that godamnit stupid excuse to have Lou's back. Was it the right move for the sharks? yes. Was is the wrong move for NJ when it was all said and done? no. Thats it thats all. Edited January 26, 2014 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 The Brodeur of old wouldn't have had to worry about liabilities such as Volchenkov running him over and having his ass facing the shot and the complete and utter slowness of Salvador and the cluelessness of Fayne. As much as Brodeur could have/should have gotten one or two....there's no way he's walking into the HOF behind that kind of defense his whole career. Yeah that's true, it's not like the Devils played Kevin Dean and Lyle Odelein and Colin White when he first came up and the end of Daneyko's career (and indeed maybe Daneyko himself) - it was all HOFers back there, all the time. I guess the defense must be way better for Schneider since Schneider is putting up HOF level numbers so far here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 (edited) He should have gotten all 6 imo. It's not a matter of one or two goals. If he got the MZA goal, they should have built a statue of him because he'd have to dive back against the grain since his stick was on the other side. The one off his skate, I forgot he scored two Edited January 26, 2014 by maxpower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Can anyone tell me what Roenick said today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 Sharks were also in the race for the playoffs and traded Clowe. So fvck off with that godamnit stupid excuse to have Lou's back. Was it the right move for the sharks? yes. Was is the wrong move for NJ? no. Thats it thats all. The Sharks had the depth to trade Clowe - who by the way had 0 goals at the time of his trade - the Devils did not have the depth to trade Clarkson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 The Sharks had the depth to trade Clowe - who by the way had 0 goals at the time of his trade - the Devils did not have the depth to trade Clarkson. This also plays into his argument about poor management. Lou has screwed the pooch when it comes to reupping guys before free agency. There is reason to fear losing Schneider on Lou's track record alone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 26, 2014 Share Posted January 26, 2014 but i mean, i dont agree that after this game that were suddenly a bad team, like half of their goals we're fvcking lucky bouncers off guys. What can you do against that really? frustrating loss but wtv, on to the next one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Anyone want to tell me how Roenick went off the deep end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 This also plays into his argument about poor management. Lou has screwed the pooch when it comes to reupping guys before free agency. There is reason to fear losing Schneider on Lou's track record alone... We've been over this and over this. You can line up guys NJ has lost on one side. You can line up guys NJ has kept on another. The guys NJ have kept are more significant and better than the guys they have lost. They are going to do everything it takes to keep Schneider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 We've been over this and over this. You can line up guys NJ has lost on one side. You can line up guys NJ has kept on another. The guys NJ have kept are more significant and better than the guys they have lost. They are going to do everything it takes to keep Schneider. The Schneider's gonna leave stuff is just unfounded fear. It's pretty clear at this point he has the job and he'll get paid like he gets the job probably before they even drop the puck for next season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 The Sharks had the depth to trade Clowe - who by the way had 0 goals at the time of his trade - the Devils did not have the depth to trade Clarkson. It's not about the current team its about freagin sitting at one point and getting all the infos you need to make the best decision. Lou REFUSES to do that. Clarkson's demand was not gonna work in NJ, 100% sure. So he was gone. Knowing that im sure its changing Lou's approach at the deadline, but since he simply refuse to talk during the season its too late when he's finding out. It's all about having the knowledge that youre gonna lose a guy to free agency but being willing of keeping him strictly for a run OR not really knowing if you can him or not and simply going in the playoffs with him not thinking about the future of the team. i simply don't agree with that approach and nobody will change my mind on that. It wouldnt hurt to at least have preliminary talks during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 It's not about the current team its about freagin sitting at one point and getting all the infos you need to make the best decision. Lou REFUSES to do that. Clarkson's demand was not gonna work in NJ, 100% sure. So he was gone. Knowing that im sure its changing Lou's approach at the deadline, but since he simply refuse to talk during the season its too late when he's finding out. It's all about having the knowledge that youre gonna lose a guy to free agency but being willing of keeping him strictly for a run OR not really knowing if you can him or not and simply going in the playoffs with him not thinking about the future of the team. i simply don't agree with that approach and nobody will change my mind on that. It wouldnt hurt to at least have preliminary talks during the season. It hurts trading away players and making your team worse. Which is what the Sharks did - they got Raffi Torres for a 3rd round pick to replace Clowe. Torres is an underrated player, but when he was suspended they were forced to rely on worse players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 We've been over this and over this. You can line up guys NJ has lost on one side. You can line up guys NJ has kept on another. The guys NJ have kept are more significant and better than the guys they have lost. They are going to do everything it takes to keep Schneider. They've kept better players than Parise and Niedermayer? Scott Stevens tried to bolt also... Keeping Schneider is not a slam dunk. Schneider is going to sign where he thinks gives him the best chance to win and make the most money? The Islanders could throw the kitchen sink at him... There are a lot of teams out there that are going to be in the mix to get him. Trading the pick for 2 years of him was not a good trade at all. Locking him up long-term is the key to that trade. Lou's best chance to do that would have been last summer. Now, we've already frustrated him with playing time and playing behind a marginal team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 They've kept better players than Parise and Niedermayer? Scott Stevens tried to bolt also... Keeping Schneider is not a slam dunk. Schneider is going to sign where he thinks gives him the best chance to win and make the most money? The Islanders could throw the kitchen sink at him... There are a lot of teams out there that are going to be in the mix to get him. Trading the pick for 2 years of him was not a good trade at all. Locking him up long-term is the key to that trade. Lou's best chance to do that would have been last summer. Now, we've already frustrated him with playing time and playing behind a marginal team. The Devils have the extra year to give, that's worth $6.5-7M. And how was he going to sign last summer with an existing contract? If you're going to complain, at least understand how the system works, Schneider can't sign a contract until 7/1/14 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseysteve Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Ok, so now Lou was suppose to sign players who clearly had personal reasons for leaving? Let's look at some of the "stars" who left: Gomez? Gionta? Clarkson? Parise? Martin? Kovy? How about giving some credit to Lou for finding these guys in the first place? It seems like except for a couple of guys over the years, Lou seems to have a keen sense for knowing when to sell. In the case of Parise, you can't fires a guy to stay. Clarkson? If he gave us the same performance he's giving Toronto, you same people would be screaming how it was a stupid signing. I just don't understand the Lou haters. Let me ask you this: who would you replace him with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 And BTW, Scott Stevens was an RFA. He may have thought about leaving, but the key thing is that he was going to get more money from someone else other than Lou, who was notorious in dealing with the RFAs under the old system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 The Devils have the extra year to give, that's worth $6.5-7M. And how was he going to sign last summer with an existing contract? If you're going to complain, at least understand how the system works, Schneider can't sign a contract until 7/1/14 Ok, let's see if he signs a contract on 7/1 then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Brian Gionta was offered 5 mil per season by MTL. Lou was not going to match it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Ok, let's see if he signs a contract on 7/1 then. What's the difference between 7/1 and 8/29? The most money he's going to get is going to be from the Devils, the system sees to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 They've kept better players than Parise and Niedermayer? Scott Stevens tried to bolt also... Keeping Schneider is not a slam dunk. Schneider is going to sign where he thinks gives him the best chance to win and make the most money? The Islanders could throw the kitchen sink at him... There are a lot of teams out there that are going to be in the mix to get him. Trading the pick for 2 years of him was not a good trade at all. Locking him up long-term is the key to that trade. Lou's best chance to do that would have been last summer. Now, we've already frustrated him with playing time and playing behind a marginal team. You think Elias, Stevens, and Brodeur are worse players than Parise and Niedermayer? Okay then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) This also plays into his argument about poor management. Lou has screwed the pooch when it comes to reupping guys before free agency. There is reason to fear losing Schneider on Lou's track record alone... Seeing Marty have as many meltdowns as he's had this year make it that much more likely Lou does lock up Cory in the offseason Edited January 27, 2014 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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