maxpower Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 That's why an investigation would be required. Not sure what procedures are in place, but the league would probably depose Wild management under oath, and ask them what they said to Nanne during this supposed meeting, and will ask if they have any knowledge if and how this supposed offer got into the hands of a reporter. The league likely could not get Nanne or the reporter to answer questions, which would make proving charges difficult. Still, if, say Wild management met with Nanne and said "We won't get outbid" with knowledge that this would be repeated and then, directly or indirectly, leaked an offer to the press, that is absolutely tampering. Only proving it is the difficult part. I'm half out of it, but it seems to me that your own post proves it's an exercise in pointlessness. Anyways, if this is out of the Devils' ballpark, it hurts the other suitors far more than it hurts the Devils. Hell it might increase the value of the rights if they can't compete. If I'm Detriot, it's more of a "ah, fvck" moment than it is for the Devils. He's not going to play here for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 I'm half out of it, but it seems to me that your own post proves it's an exercise in pointlessness. Not necessarily. Again, I'm not familiar with the investigative tools the league has in place, but an examination under oath, even if it is only limited to Wild personnel, can be a very powerful tool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) I'm half out of it, but it seems to me that your own post proves it's an exercise in pointlessness. Anyways, if this is out of the Devils' ballpark, it hurts the other suitors far more than it hurts the Devils. Hell it might increase the value of the rights if they can't compete. If I'm Detriot, it's more of a "ah, fvck" moment than it is for the Devils. He's not going to play here for that. Oh it definitely hurts the Devils. Theoretically, there's still a chance he could re-sign with us before July 1, but the offer of a virtual blank check from the Wild floating out there certainly makes that possibility a lot more remote. Even if you believed there was no chance in heck he would re-sign with us before FA anyway, it certainly ups the price to retain him now that this is public knowledge. Edited June 15, 2012 by NJDevs4978 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 Oh it definitely hurts the Devils. Theoretically, there's still a chance he could re-sign with us before July 1, but the offer of a virtual blank check from the Wild floating out there certainly makes that possibility a lot more remote. Even if you believed there was no chance in heck he would re-sign with us before FA anyway, it certainly ups the price to retain him now that this is public knowledge. If he and his agent were retarded, perhaps. This is a wide open FA for him. If he's signing with the Devils beforehand, either they are paying far out the ass or he's giving a discount. He could have 10+ teams in on him, quite a few of them big players. So how does this change anything at all? To me it's just more Devils conspiratorial whining and it doesn't even, like I said, rise to the Paul Martin/Blues stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 If Zach goes to the Wild, at those #'s, so be it. He will fade into obscurity with an awful contract on a pretty bad team and I wont hate him if they want to break the bank on him, nor would I blame him for taking that sort of money. Ive thought since the beginning of the year that Minnesota or Detroit were our biggest competitors for him, and it became less Detroit once we went on the playoff run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 No one cares about that movie anymore but Chinatown is a legitimate classic and I'd say the average age of the board is like 25 and hasn't seen it. There's an element that the NHL has to be overjoyed about wrt the salary cap and that's guys taking less out of a legitimate desire to help their team. That's what would come into play. Kovalchuk would've gotten more money with his Thrashers contract but he didn't sign one, and the Wild are basically the Thrashers with better attendance. I take offense to you're assumption that us younger folk don't have an affinity for classic films, especially one's with a NJ legend such as Mr. Nicholson. I mean seriously, my sister, my daughter *SLAP*, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted June 15, 2012 Share Posted June 15, 2012 If he and his agent were retarded, perhaps. This is a wide open FA for him. If he's signing with the Devils beforehand, either they are paying far out the ass or he's giving a discount. He could have 10+ teams in on him, quite a few of them big players. So how does this change anything at all? To me it's just more Devils conspiratorial whining and it doesn't even, like I said, rise to the Paul Martin/Blues stuff. There's a huge difference between saying 10-15 teams will make huge offers, and having the specific parameters of one of those offers, which was more than most layman's projections going in (did you have anyone making a 10-90 offer? I don't think I had one getting that high). Maybe the agents figured he'd get $90 million from multiple teams anyway, then again Grossman probably figured Kovy would get $100 million from ten teams as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Well then the obvious answer is sexy pirates. But that will all come in due time. Is it time to bump this thread with a sexy pirate for luck yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 TG just posted a blog where he says nothing is going on w/ Parise yet. Hes back in MN now and looks like next week will be the target for a new contract. http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/no_news_yet_on_zach_parise_contract_situation/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 TG just posted a blog where he says nothing is going on w/ Parise yet. Hes back in MN now and looks like next week will be the target for a new contract. http://blogs.northjersey.com/blogs/fireice/no_news_yet_on_zach_parise_contract_situation/ This always drives me nuts, what does Lou wait for? Why not call him right now and see what his numbers are? Shouldn't he have done that last week? How can he make rationale decisions going into the draft without even knowing some basic information on his franchise player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer91 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 This always drives me nuts, what does Lou wait for? Why not call him right now and see what his numbers are? Shouldn't he have done that last week? How can he make rationale decisions going into the draft without even knowing some basic information on his franchise player? Totally agree, get some information and just see where he is at and see what he is asking for to at least get the ball rolling. No, Lou has given Fayne an offer already. Clearly his priorities are straight.... That being said, I HIGHLY doubt Parise signs anything prior July 1 anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 Totally agree, get some information and just see where he is at and see what he is asking for to at least get the ball rolling. No, Lou has given Fayne an offer already. Clearly his priorities are straight.... That being said, I HIGHLY doubt Parise signs anything prior July 1 anyway. Fayne is an RFA. They HAD to give him an offer or we would become a UFA. It was a formality. I'm pretty sure Lou, who has been an NHL GM for over 20 years, understands priorities. There's a draft Friday, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted June 20, 2012 Share Posted June 20, 2012 From those last comments from Parise's agent I wouldn't expect a deal before July 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Is it time to bump this thread with a sexy pirate for luck yet? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 This always drives me nuts, what does Lou wait for? Why not call him right now and see what his numbers are? Shouldn't he have done that last week? How can he make rationale decisions going into the draft without even knowing some basic information on his franchise player? yo, relax. we dont know what lou and parise have talked about. im sure they've discussed when they want to talk next. just cuz TG says that there is no new updates doesn't mean lou's an idiot. they're not retarded dude, they have their jobs because they're professionals. they know what they're doing, im sure they've talked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mort4345 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 The Parise contract saga or lack thereof is more compelling than the final sequence of the Usual Suspects at this point. Are the financial ownership troubles to blame for the lack of a contract offer so far? Does Parise simply want to go for the big money and sign with Minnesota? Why have there been close to zero contract negotiations over the last year? Or were there and we just didn't know about it? Is Parise still angered by the Kovy contract and Langs departure? Does he secretly covet playing for Detroit? And for that matter, was the Kovy contract driven by Lou ... or really was it the product of a crazy owner? Will the Devils declare bankruptcy? Will they find an investor? Will the NHL take over the team? Why did the Devils keep the pick instead of forfeiting it? The list goes on and on and on ... In sum, I don't have any good answers. But I will say, as far as contract stuff goes, this is what I'd do as a GM (assuming I have the financial backing): ideally my ceiling would be a 5-year $7.6 million or 7-year $7.3 million contract offer (with a player/team option for another year at the same average salary). I did read a rumor somewhere that Parise was supposedly offered a 7 year/$49 million deal last year and his agents recommended he turn it down. So we'll see. But I really believe that he'd stay with the Devils all things being equal money-wise. However, it seems pretty clear that it's going to come down to the wire - just like everything else the Devils do. So I guess we'll just have to buckle up and prepare to sweat this deal out to the bitter end. As usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 regardless of what we hear and timing, do you not honestly think lou isn't going to tell parise what the devils can offer and give his best shot before 7/1 and then ask parise that if he doesn't take it before 7/1, to let the devils have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squishyx Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 yo, relax. we dont know what lou and parise have talked about. im sure they've discussed when they want to talk next. just cuz TG says that there is no new updates doesn't mean lou's an idiot. they're not retarded dude, they have their jobs because they're professionals. they know what they're doing, im sure they've talked First, TG isn't just saying "I have no news" he posted what he heard from Zachs agent. That is something, and either his agent is lying for some reason or he is telling the truth that contract talks haven't started. If you wish to believe the former blindly, that's fine and I hope you are right, but going by what we have available and what Lou has said I think it's ok to voice an opinion on the facts at hand. Along with that, I never said Lou was an idiot, or retarded or that he is some how incompetent. What I do think is Lou is an old fashion guy, he doesn't like tipping his hand and likes to wait out players/agents as a sign of strength which is an aspect I disagree with him on. Wasn't if Rafi who said Lou never even made him an offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 The Parise contract saga or lack thereof is more compelling than the final sequence of the Usual Suspects at this point. Are the financial ownership troubles to blame for the lack of a contract offer so far? Does Parise simply want to go for the big money and sign with Minnesota? Why have there been close to zero contract negotiations over the last year? Or were there and we just didn't know about it? Is Parise still angered by the Kovy contract and Langs departure? Does he secretly covet playing for Detroit? And for that matter, was the Kovy contract driven by Lou ... or really was it the product of a crazy owner? Will the Devils declare bankruptcy? Will they find an investor? Will the NHL take over the team? Why did the Devils keep the pick instead of forfeiting it? The list goes on and on and on ... Name one time Lou has offered a pending UFA a contract more than a week before July 1st. Patience people. We've barely stopped playing hockey this year and have a draft in 48 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Name one time Lou has offered a pending UFA a contract more than a week before July 1st. Patience people. We've barely stopped playing hockey this year and have a draft in 48 hours. Langenbrunnet and Salvador are two that come to mind. Sorry. You said a week before. They were just before. Edited June 21, 2012 by sundstrom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Asked by New Jersey media last week about joining the New York Rangers, Parise gave an emphatic "no way." He clarified the statement Wednesday. "I was put on the spot there a little bit," he said. "We'll see what happens." http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/159821785.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayday Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Asked by New Jersey media last week about joining the New York Rangers, Parise gave an emphatic "no way." He clarified the statement Wednesday. "I was put on the spot there a little bit," he said. "We'll see what happens." http://www.startribune.com/sports/wild/159821785.html What? Ugh, these past comments from Zach and his agent are not encouraging. Plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 (edited) Nope... "As a player, [free agency is] something you work hard to try and take advantage of, but at the same time it might get a little stressful" Hopefully this thread will stop before 30 pages. Just make it quick! Edited June 21, 2012 by Zubie#8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSC Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 I guarantee his agent told him to say that to at least try to put the Rangers back in the picture. Think about it, he basically took out one of the highest-bidding teams which, even if he never wanted to play there, could drive up his overall price to everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted June 21, 2012 Share Posted June 21, 2012 Name one time Lou has offered a pending UFA a contract more than a week before July 1st. Patience people. We've barely stopped playing hockey this year and have a draft in 48 hours. Also keep in mind that Lou has said he'll do everything he can to sign Parise. Those comments were never said about Gomez, Rafalski, Gionta and Martin. I'm not sure he offered any a contract, and I think he was right all 4 times. He's going to act very differently when it comes to Zach obviously. Lou will have enough time to find out what Zach wants and if they can get there before July 1st. I doubt anything Lou can offer will deter Zach from seeing other offers until July 1st, but it will be enough time to offer him a competitive contract and plant a seed and show that he is wanted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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