Daniel Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 The owners in the NFL resorted to replacement players over 20 years ago. The sports labor landscape has changed considerably since then. The reason why the NFL season started without any games missed is because NFL careers are so short that missing even one week of exhibition games costs the players considerable money, money that they will never get back. The NHL union is not so desperate. The NFL players caved on everything except an 18 game season and during the next labor negotiation the same thing will happen and the NFL owners will continue to get richer. The NHL owners are not negatively impacted by lockouts as a whole. As such, it makes sense to have them because they squeeze the players for as much money as possible. And that is what will happen next time too. The NHL doesn't have enough healthy franchises to where they're going to want to avoid labor strife, as is the case in MLB, in which most teams are doing fairly well and which has been seriously impacted by labor strife. The owners will opt out in 6 years and there will be a lockout - enjoy early season hockey until then, because it is absolutely inevitable. You just have to do the math. It's more that the owners have less to gain at this point. Let's say they get an extra couple percent of revenue split. It amounts to a few extra million per team, if that. It doesn't mean much to owners like Harris who care much more about what the team is worth, and it doesn't mean much for the Torontos or Dolans. After that who's really left? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 It's more that the owners have less to gain at this point. Let's say they get an extra couple percent of revenue split. It amounts to a few extra million per team, if that. It doesn't mean much to owners like Harris who care much more about what the team is worth, and it doesn't mean much for the Torontos or Dolans. After that who's really left? It amounts to an extra few million per team PER YEAR. And then consider the next lockout and the next one - it adds up. Now what might happen is that the players threaten to kill another season and the owners believe them and they basically agree on the old CBA with cosmetic changes - but I don't see that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 all this talk about another lock out is bumming me out right now.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 No, that just isn't true. The Rangers signed McDonagh for 6 years. The Rangers got 3 years of UFA. When McDonagh is eligible for UFA, he is going to be due an AAV of at least $9M, and he is not as good as PK Subban. The Habs got 2 years at 2.9M, now they will get 8 years at 9M. They are paying more now, but they are saving later, as Subban would be eligible for at least an $11M AAV if he were signed to a $6M/6 year type deal like you are proposing. The lockout is coming because the owners can. A player like PK Subban is worth considerably more than Montreal is paying him. They're the same age. Each drafted in 2007. Subban is better offensively. Mac has the edge defensively. It's close. I get your point about buying up UFA years. Eventually, McDonagh will be making similar money. Doughty has another 5 at 7. I consider him better than either. He'll be worth 11-12. In two years, Seabrook hits the market at 31. He's on a 5-year deal at AAV 5.8. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 the devils are the feature over on nhl.com today, for the 30 teams in 30 days piece. theres a bunch of articles, definitely worth reading on a lazy sunday. the reviews were actually pretty favorable, predictions that we make the playoffs. go check it out, theres a video too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted August 3, 2014 Share Posted August 3, 2014 the devils are the feature over on nhl.com today, for the 30 teams in 30 days piece. theres a bunch of articles, definitely worth reading on a lazy sunday. the reviews were actually pretty favorable, predictions that we make the playoffs. go check it out, theres a video too sweet thanks for the heads up when I get home later im going to take a look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 the devils are the feature over on nhl.com today, for the 30 teams in 30 days piece. theres a bunch of articles, definitely worth reading on a lazy sunday. the reviews were actually pretty favorable, predictions that we make the playoffs. go check it out, theres a video too The pundits actually believe we will make playoffs....that really is a shocker. Basically stating Schneider will carry us, and that the young defense has to do well with the minutes they're given. They even liked the Cammalleri deal. I love when they does these 30 in 30. I think Schneider will be great, the defense will perform well, but we're going to see some growing pains, and we've added offense without losing any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 The pundits actually believe we will make playoffs....that really is a shocker. Basically stating Schneider will carry us, and that the young defense has to do well with the minutes they're given. They even liked the Cammalleri deal. I love when they does these 30 in 30. I think Schneider will be great, the defense will perform well, but we're going to see some growing pains, and we've added offense without losing any. The only way we end up being a worse team this year is if the young guys on defense take steps backwards and I really don't think that's happening. I'm pretty optimistic about this upcoming season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 yea they actually listed Gelinas as our X factor for the season, interesting. all together though, that 30 for 30 feature really is a great way to give a lot of attention to individual fan bases. its exciting, especially being that the devils aren't in the spotlight (smaller fanbase) that often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted August 4, 2014 Share Posted August 4, 2014 Did Craig Button weigh in yet? He always says we'll finish in like 11th place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Did Craig Button weigh in yet? He always says we'll finish in like 11th place. He can shove his opinion and his permed mullet up his backside. At times he seems to make sense and others he's freaking annoying as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 (edited) Did Craig Button weigh in yet? He always says we'll finish in like 11th place. I couldn't find any projected final team ranking for the Devils in any of the articles unfortunately. Would have been interesting hearing where they should finish in the East considering how much parity there will likely be this year. I'm thinking 6th or 7th. Edited August 5, 2014 by Guest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 I predict 3rd in the metro or wildcard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Del Zotto 1.3mil, from Flyers https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/496797891168837632 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted August 5, 2014 Share Posted August 5, 2014 Hextall didn't wait around to replace Timonen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Del Zotto 1.3mil, from Flyers https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/496797891168837632 I can't imagine Philadelphia is the place for him to rediscover his game. I really think the Flyers will miss the playoffs this year and I can see us owning them in the season series with the tire fire that is their defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Del Zotto's like the left-handed starting pitcher who wins 15 games and is among the league's ERA leaders for one season, and gets chance after chance because of it. Del Zotto will get some chances based off his 2011-12 campaign (77 GP, 10 G, 31 A, 41 Pts, +20)...a few teams will think they can "right" him. Wouldn't surprise me to see him play for 3-4 teams over the next 4-5 years, on low-risk contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Del Zotto isn't bad, he's just not very good. A few changes to his game and he could be a valuable piece. I think the reason it took him until August to sign isn't because he didn't have offers before - he wanted to go to the right place to rehabilitate his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 Del Zotto isn't bad, he's just not very good. A few changes to his game and he could be a valuable piece. I think the reason it took him until August to sign isn't because he didn't have offers before - he wanted to go to the right place to rehabilitate his career. I mean it says a lot when a team like Nashville doesn't even give you a qualifying offer as a 23 year old, and after they gave up a solid NHL defenseman to get you in the first place. Can't say I paid attention to him that much, but he was absolutely putrid in the Devils/Rangers 2012 series, to the point that he made Salvador look like Nik Lidstrom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted August 6, 2014 Share Posted August 6, 2014 I mean it says a lot when a team like Nashville doesn't even give you a qualifying offer as a 23 year old, and after they gave up a solid NHL defenseman to get you in the first place. Can't say I paid attention to him that much, but he was absolutely putrid in the Devils/Rangers 2012 series, to the point that he made Salvador look like Nik Lidstrom. Kevin Klein is not a solid defenseman - he's a 3rd pairing guy at best - and him not getting a QO was always a possibility - he had to be qualified at 2.9M (or at least 2.61M - not entirely sure of the rule). A bit pricey for a guy who had played himself out of the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 With the right partner DZ is a good player with good offensive upside. I'm sure he will find a good place eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek21 Posted August 7, 2014 Share Posted August 7, 2014 Kevin Klein is not a solid defenseman - he's a 3rd pairing guy at best - and him not getting a QO was always a possibility - he had to be qualified at 2.9M (or at least 2.61M - not entirely sure of the rule). A bit pricey for a guy who had played himself out of the lineup. You sound like Anthony from our section. He hates Klein. When they made the deal, I hated it. But it was out of necessity. Klein performed admirably. He didn't really do anything to stand out which is essentially why they acquired him. He's a 3rd pair guy. I hope Del Zotto does well. With him, it's mental. He has ability and tools. But is Philadelphia the right environment? They can be downright nasty. On a one-year contract, it gives MDZ a chance to prove himself. The Rangers see the Flyers 3 times between November 19-29. That includes Del Zotto's return on Rivalry Night 11/19. That should be a treat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guadana Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 do some one knows links about coach`s cash like that? http://www.otherleague.com/contracts/nhl-head-coach-contracts-salaries/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizzMB30 Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 You sound like Anthony from our section. He hates Klein. When they made the deal, I hated it. But it was out of necessity. Klein performed admirably. He didn't really do anything to stand out which is essentially why they acquired him. He's a 3rd pair guy. I hope Del Zotto does well. With him, it's mental. He has ability and tools. But is Philadelphia the right environment? They can be downright nasty. On a one-year contract, it gives MDZ a chance to prove himself. The Rangers see the Flyers 3 times between November 19-29. That includes Del Zotto's return on Rivalry Night 11/19. That should be a treat. I guess an interesting question would be, do you think that the Rangers still goto the Cup Final if say they make one less trade during the season? Say, declining to trade either MDZ OR Callahan? Obviously it's all hindsight at this point, but interesting to think about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Ray Ferraro @rayferrarotsn 8m John @Buccigross reports from Dublin on Ray Ferraro's twitter feed that @KevinPHayes12 has signed with @NYRangers #blueshiirts Well, let's hope he sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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