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Poll: Lockout 2012-2013 (Hockey's back!) (130 member(s) have cast votes)

When will we see hockey?

  1. Oct 12 (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Nov 12 (19 votes [14.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.62%

  3. Dec 12 (26 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Jan 13 (33 votes [25.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.38%

  5. Feb 13 (1 votes [0.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.77%

  6. Mar 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Apr 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Oct 13 (14 votes [10.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.77%

  9. Never (27 votes [20.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.77%

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#201 Triumph

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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:01 PM

I'm not on either side but if I had to choose I would be on the owners sides cause this comment I saw on tsn sums it up for me...

"How about - hey owners, thanks for making me a mulit millionaire to play a game, giving me the opportunity to make millions of more dollars through endorsement deals and advertising (which I keep all to myself, despite our 'partnership'). Thanks for being the major stake holders, paying all the operating costs and taking all the risk, after all we are partners. Thanks for having years were you loose 20 million dollars yet I still get 100% of my paycheck, afterall we are partners"


That is absolutely preposterous. The FANS are what create the demand to pay players millions of dollars. The owners are merely an overly well funded conduit.
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 10:27 PM

an absolute failure of schools to get american children to understand basic economics is really the root cause if 90% of our country's problems...
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Posted 05 October 2012 - 11:08 PM

That is absolutely preposterous. The FANS are what create the demand to pay players millions of dollars. The owners are merely an overly well funded conduit.


Sadly neither side gives a damn about us.

an absolute failure of schools to get american children to understand basic economics is really the root cause if 90% of our country's problems...


Having barely anything being made in America is even a bigger problem.
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#204 sirbutlust

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 12:46 AM

i needed some type of sports tonight. i watched Baseball tongiht. BASEBALL PEOPLE>. rooted for the orioles. they won. if not for beer, i'd beasleep at nine
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 01:12 AM

Might be some hope.

@JSportsnet Bill Daly just confirmed that he was in Toronto to meet withe the NHLPA today.
@reporterchris CBA talks have quietly resumed in Toronto with a meeting of the Big Four: Bettman, Daly, Fehr brothers.
@Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHL and NHLPA met in Toronto today. Slated to meet again over the weekend”

@TheFourthPeriod: Bettman, Daly and the Fehr bros will be in talks all weekend (either phone or in person) before setting up official/formal talks.
@TheFourthPeriod: According to source, today's talks touched on "wide-range of issues" and over the weekend they'll touch on just about the entire situation.

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Told that NHL strongly urged NHLPA in meeting today to come up with new offer. In turn, NHLPA also asked league to come up with new offer...
@Real_ESPNLeBrun: In short, both sides expressing to each other that it's time to compromise
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:33 AM

That's somewhat encouraging news, but you never know.

Back in 2004, I did not follow the lockout quite so closely. For anyone who remembers: how similar did that one play out with respect to this year's?
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 03:10 AM

I remember that one was announced to be close to coming to an end seemingly every few weeks until finally they announced that the whole season was scrapped. At one point during the winter it was reported by a few places that they had actually reached an agreement, but it turned out to be false. THAT was excruciating.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 09:51 AM

Might be some hope.

@JSportsnet Bill Daly just confirmed that he was in Toronto to meet withe the NHLPA today.
@reporterchris CBA talks have quietly resumed in Toronto with a meeting of the Big Four: Bettman, Daly, Fehr brothers.
@Real_ESPNLeBrun: NHL and NHLPA met in Toronto today. Slated to meet again over the weekend”

@TheFourthPeriod: Bettman, Daly and the Fehr bros will be in talks all weekend (either phone or in person) before setting up official/formal talks.
@TheFourthPeriod: According to source, today's talks touched on "wide-range of issues" and over the weekend they'll touch on just about the entire situation.

@Real_ESPNLeBrun: Told that NHL strongly urged NHLPA in meeting today to come up with new offer. In turn, NHLPA also asked league to come up with new offer...
@Real_ESPNLeBrun: In short, both sides expressing to each other that it's time to compromise

. Fingers crossed that this leads somewhere. They should all lock themselves in a room and not come out til there's a deal.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 02:46 PM

Sounds good to me:

@walsha: After spending most of the day on the phone, the one truth no one on the NHL side wants us to know- Bettman is losing control of his room.
@walsha: Over the next few days, I'll be able to share facts on NHL owners who don't support the lockout and want to play now. Figure it out.
@walsha: Why did Bettman/Daly sneak into Toronto for secret meeting w/ the NHLPA? He's feeling heat from owners. Being told, "we can't lose season."
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:28 PM

Sounds good to me:

@walsha: After spending most of the day on the phone, the one truth no one on the NHL side wants us to know- Bettman is losing control of his room.
@walsha: Over the next few days, I'll be able to share facts on NHL owners who don't support the lockout and want to play now. Figure it out.
@walsha: Why did Bettman/Daly sneak into Toronto for secret meeting w/ the NHLPA? He's feeling heat from owners. Being told, "we can't lose season."

. Beautiful. Hopefully the owners who want to play keep applying the pressure.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:41 PM

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 04:58 PM

How credible is allen walsh? judging by a lot of his tweets he seems extremely biased in favor of the players. Just wondering if his bias is making this seem more positive than it actually is.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:19 PM

How credible is allen walsh? judging by a lot of his tweets he seems extremely biased in favor of the players. Just wondering if his bias is making this seem more positive than it actually is.

. Allen Walsh is an agent, so he's going to be more pro-player, obviously. I'm sure he knows a lot more than most on this.


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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:20 PM

How credible is allen walsh? judging by a lot of his tweets he seems extremely biased in favor of the players. Just wondering if his bias is making this seem more positive than it actually is.

I saw a few reports that basically said the same thing, even News12 sports report just said that the owners are not happy that 8 of them are running the show and a deal needs to be made.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 07:23 PM

If it is true that some of the owners are revolting against Bettman I would guarantee Dolan is one of them. It's no secret Dolan and Bettman don't exactly like each other to say the least.
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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:18 PM

you guys are going to drive yourselves nuts by following twitter and when they're talking and what they're talking about and etc. these things are no action and then action all at once. they will meet with BS for at least the next month, unless something significantly changes. then around mid-november they will get serious. i still believe there will be a deal struck around early december that the season will begin january 1 with the winter classic and that they'll play a 60-ish game season.

i don't believe allan walsh. i do believe that there are some owners who are unhappy with the prospect of a missed season. but i don't think anyone is really threatening that right now.

Edited by Triumph, 06 October 2012 - 10:20 PM.

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Posted 06 October 2012 - 10:33 PM

you guys are going to drive yourselves nuts by following twitter and when they're talking and what they're talking about and etc. these things are no action and then action all at once. they will meet with BS for at least the next month, unless something significantly changes. then around mid-november they will get serious. i still believe there will be a deal struck around early december that the season will begin january 1 with the winter classic and that they'll play a 60-ish game season.

i don't believe allan walsh. i do believe that there are some owners who are unhappy with the prospect of a missed season. but i don't think anyone is really threatening that right now.

Hey it is something to do at work :)

Its no surprise that all this talk occurred after Daly met with major sponsor executives the other day. Hopefully one side will have a new proposal this week.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 09:18 AM

you guys are going to drive yourselves nuts by following twitter and when they're talking and what they're talking about and etc. these things are no action and then action all at once. they will meet with BS for at least the next month, unless something significantly changes. then around mid-november they will get serious. i still believe there will be a deal struck around early december that the season will begin january 1 with the winter classic and that they'll play a 60-ish game season.

i don't believe allan walsh. i do believe that there are some owners who are unhappy with the prospect of a missed season. but i don't think anyone is really threatening that right now.


I don't entirely disagree, and thought all along the same as you - that the season would begin in January.

However, maybe some owners are finally realizing the game isn't going to go on status quo if there's another major lockout. Maybe a lot of fans are demanding refunds, or canceling their tickets, things that would put pressure on the owners. The mere fact they're even talking now (and so soon after games have been canceled) has to be seen as somewhat of a positive compared to the fact there was no negotiation at all for months at a time during '04. Not to mention they don't 'need' a lockout the way they did in '04.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 07 October 2012 - 09:21 AM.

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Posted 07 October 2012 - 11:35 AM

considering that Vanderbeek will likely lose the team if there's no revenue, I know at least one owner who has to be against this.
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Posted 07 October 2012 - 12:03 PM

The NHL hates VBK though, I don't think they'd let him have a big voice in this either way.
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