overtime98 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Do you really think this is Oates' fault? Guys like Elias, Parise, Kovalchuk, Zubrus, Sykora, and so on need to be taught how to perform on the power play? Give me a break. Lou wouldn't have kept him with the new coaching change if he wasn't an asset. He can only teach these guys so much. Our power play is embarrassing because our team treats it like they are getting root canal. I'm sorry but if this is YET ANOTHER coach that this coach killing team isn't responding to, then the bulk of the blame gets directed at Lou. The last time the Devils performed well offensively? Sutter. He wasn't a players coach because he actually made them accountable and made them a tough team to play against. Agree....... Cant go firing coaches...... Oates isnt playing the PP. So the reason why Kovalchuk gives up the puck in our own zone is because Oates is the coach? LOL..... I agree with you njdevil26, the players need to produce and stop making mistakes. we arent exactly lighting the lamp 5-5 so why are we so worried about a good PP? Disagree, Kovy is fine. The main problem I see is zone entry. Elias hasnt been doing a good job getting into the zone, neither has Henrique on the second unit. I prefer to see Zubrus carry it. Hes a decent stick handler and worst case scenario, he's hard on the forecheck Kovy is fine? What season are you watching? He isnt fine, he should be playing much better. He was brought in to lead this team offensively and score goals and he isnt doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Agree....... Cant go firing coaches...... Oates isnt playing the PP. So the reason why Kovalchuk gives up the puck in our own zone is because Oates is the coach? LOL..... I agree with you njdevil26, the players need to produce and stop making mistakes. we arent exactly lighting the lamp 5-5 so why are we so worried about a good PP? Kovy is fine? What season are you watching? He isnt fine, he should be playing much better. He was brought in to lead this team offensively and score goals and he isnt doing that. How do you expect him to score if we cant get set up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCroMag Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 So Hall's supposed to write all of those songs by himself then? F-ck that, dude. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias26 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I was thinking the same thing for a while now just never said it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estreetcrew3 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Hey sometimes you need to write a song that's not about sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estreetcrew3 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Hey sometimes you need to write a song that's not about sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Fire everybody and then sue them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Just because it's rare doesn't mean it's a bad move. I really don't have enough insights behind the scenes regarding Oates' contributions, but the PP I see is pretty terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estreetcrew3 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 I think if we scream "shoot it!!!" More , it'll def make a huge difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SS-SS Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 How often are assistant coaches fired? I mean, it seems like they either leave at season's end or go out when the head coach gets axed, no? MTL did earlier this season. I think Oates should be fired. This PP is really a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevils1214 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Hey sometimes you need to write a song that's not about sara Yo that's a good song I'll hear nothing negative about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estreetcrew3 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Yo that's a good song I'll hear nothing negative about it! No i know , I'm a huge hall and oates fan haha. What i said was from yacht rock. haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
estreetcrew3 Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 (edited) The problem is no appreciates really really. Smooth music anymore Edited December 1, 2011 by estreetcrew3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Rattlehead18 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Disagree, Kovy is fine. You were saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin226 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) Watch one of the good PP's in this league and look at their sense of urgency and how they score.. Our strategy is pretty much the opposite.. We have Zach and Clarky, 2 guys who should be getting to the front of the net to either screeen a shot from the point (Kovy pp goal in NSH) or bang home rebounds (Zach's forte).. We give the goalie a clear view of the ice and pretty much are only effective if we can thread a cross-ice through their D to get a 1-timer.. That hasn't happened a lot and it won't in the NHL So I see it as a PP system change Edit: Forgot 1 big thing that they just highlighted the Red Wings doing well on NHL Network.. MOVEMENT!! Our PP is pretty stagnant.. Maybe the guys at the point move around a little but for the most part we just stay in the same places.. On the PP, movement confused the D and gets them out of position Edited December 3, 2011 by Colin226 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Watch one of the good PP's in this league and look at their sense of urgency and how they score.. Our strategy is pretty much the opposite.. We have Zach and Clarky, 2 guys who should be getting to the front of the net to either screeen a shot from the point (Kovy pp goal in NSH) or bang home rebounds (Zach's forte).. We give the goalie a clear view of the ice and pretty much are only effective if we can thread a cross-ice through their D to get a 1-timer.. That hasn't happened a lot and it won't in the NHL So I see it as a PP system change Edit: Forgot 1 big thing that they just highlighted the Red Wings doing well on NHL Network.. MOVEMENT!! Our PP is pretty stagnant.. Maybe the guys at the point move around a little but for the most part we just stay in the same places.. On the PP, movement confused the D and gets them out of position agree, when was the last time we scored from the point other than zachs tip in last night. we havent been. kovy is dangerous at the point, its hurt us over and over, and the carry ins are horrible, we dump too soon or too fast or hold onto it too long. add in no movement. . henrique and Patrik have been BAD YES its a MESS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyP. Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 NJD PP not good. NJD Faceoffs not good. NJD Offense not scoring much. What else is Oates here to accomplish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Agree we need to fix the PP, but there's a big part of me that wants to wait for Zajac to get back. IMO he's the most important player on the team, and I felt that way before the season started as well. If he's playing well and we're still bad on pp, then do what you gotta do, but this team's goal when he and Yayo went down should have been survive, and they've done that. I don't buy that you need to fire someone when you've done about what you've been expected to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) Kovy isn't sneaking down low on the PP enough. He's also logging way too many mins which in turn lead to his brain cramps and our shorthanded goals allowed record. Edited December 4, 2011 by devlman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Kovy isn't sneaking down low on the PP enough. He's also logging way too many mins which in turn lead to his brain cramps and our shorthanded goals allowed record. The way this team controls the puck on the PP, I don't want the point men sneaking down. The fumble the puck too much for that and the result more often enough is an easy clear for the other team. For this team the points on the PP need to keep the puck in. Honestly I would like them to just treat it like a 5-on-5 situation at this point. Put two defensemen back there and use the regular 5-on-5 lines. As for Oates, he needs to go. I have a feeling he is also the one behind the forcing Kovalchuk and Parise together mess, which destroys any little bit of depth in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) Honestly I would like them to just treat it like a 5-on-5 situation at this point. Put two defensemen back there and use the regular 5-on-5 lines. That's a panic move. That's the kind of stuff that got MacLean fired. It might make you feel more secure, but it's not how teams win hockey games. As for Oates, he needs to go. I have a feeling he is also the one behind the forcing Kovalchuk and Parise together mess, which destroys any little bit of depth in the lineup. Honestly? You may as well just say he's responsible for the Kovalchuk circumvention penalty. That line has the team's last 6 even strength goals. That's not 'destroying any little bit of depth in the lineup', it's trying to create 2 lines that can take on difficult matchups and not get annihilated. We can also rewind to a week and a half ago when this line wasn't scoring and the Sykora-Elias-Zubrus line was scoring to bemoan how this line could 'never work together'. Now that it is scoring, it's 'destroying our depth'. Edited December 4, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit56 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 the power play sucked (and was running the same alignment/setup) before oates got here. almost makes me think it's the power play Lou ran at Providence and he's demanding they run it here. the problem with the power play is it is the antithesis of what the devils do to score goals at even strength - pressure / speed / forecheck / turnovers. It's 5 guys standing still hoping for a miracle, or more recently, 5 guys trying not to give up a shorthanded goal. They can't even do that right. until they move around more, they won't score unless they get lucky, like tonight when Elias got one off a defenseman's shin guard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 That's a panic move. That's the kind of stuff that got MacLean fired. It might make you feel more secure, but it's not how teams win hockey games. How is the current setup helping us win, having guys who can't play the point play the point? I don't understand why you can't have two defensemen at the point, it's not like other teams (with better power plays) don't do that. At least until Zajac comes back, you can put him at the point and at least he won't **** up royally the way Kovy/Elias do on the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) How is the current setup helping us win, having guys who can't play the point play the point? I don't understand why you can't have two defensemen at the point, it's not like other teams (with better power plays) don't do that. At least until Zajac comes back, you can put him at the point and at least he won't **** up royally the way Kovy/Elias do on the point. Kovalchuk has played the point for pretty much his entire career. Elias has played the point at times during his career, most notably in 2007 and 2008. Let's just compare Atlanta short handed goals against to league average: 2004: 7 Average: 8 2006: 10 Average: 11 2007: 10 Average: 9 2008: 10 Average: 8 2009: 10 Average: 8 2011: 8 Average: 7 Kovalchuk was definitely playing the point all of these years, and the short handed goals allowed are not substantially off of the league average. And you want to replace him on the point with Henrik Tallinder? This will work itself out. Tonight it sure looked like it was going to simply because the power play was dynamite, but then Hedberg had to go and handle the puck. Edited December 4, 2011 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Kovalchuk has played the point for pretty much his entire career. Elias has played the point at times during his career, most notably in 2007 and 2008. Let's just compare Atlanta short handed goals against to league average: 2004: 7 Average: 8 2006: 10 Average: 11 2007: 10 Average: 9 2008: 10 Average: 8 2009: 10 Average: 8 2011: 8 Average: 7 Kovalchuk was definitely playing the point all of these years, and the short handed goals allowed are not substantially off of the league average. And you want to replace him on the point with Henrik Tallinder? This will work itself out. Tonight it sure looked like it was going to simply because the power play was dynamite, but then Hedberg had to go and handle the puck. Kovy played the point in Atlanta. This is a different team. Putting Tallinder and Fayne on the point instead of Elias is a good move. Right now we need to stop giving up short handed chances and having two d men at the point is a good move until we can get better at handling the point on the powerplay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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