capo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Perry is not better than Parise. Getzlaf it's debatable. Perry will eat Parise's lunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Perry will eat Parise's lunch. It's nice to play with Getzlaf, who is better than any forward Parise ever got to play with in New Jersey besides Elias in 2007-08. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Perry can also run through a wall to score a goal and can score from above the circles. Parise cannot. Zach is the little engine that almost could. Very good player but has limitations on the offensive side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 Perry can also run through a wall to score a goal and can score from above the circles. Parise cannot. Zach is the little engine that almost could. Very good player but has limitations on the offensive side of things. Parise: 502 games 194-216-410 0.82 PPG Perry: 530 games 205-224-429 0.81 PPG And that's with the added benefit of playing with a guy who you think is better than Parise, so that must mean 2x better than Zajac. And that's also with the added benefit of playing with great PP players like Pronger, Niedermayer, Selanne etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Parise: 502 games 194-216-410 0.82 PPG Perry: 530 games 205-224-429 0.81 PPG And that's with the added benefit of playing with a guy who you think is better than Parise, so that must mean 2x better than Zajac. And that's also with the added benefit of playing with great PP players like Pronger, Niedermayer, Selanne etc. I'm not even looking at their numbers. I'm only considering their physical talents. Zach's numbers would be better if he was physically stronger. It's funny how it comes back to the original knock on him from the draft. Which still he's an awesome player. He's just not better than the other two players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted July 18, 2012 Author Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) I'm not even looking at their numbers. I'm only considering their physical talents. Zach's numbers would be better if he was physically stronger. It's funny how it comes back to the original knock on him from the draft. Which still he's an awesome player. He's just not better than the other two players. Come on...everyone would be better if they were stronger. Zach Parise has far outperformed any concern or knock about him pre-draft. The knock was thinking he'd look like Tedenby out there or something. Edited July 18, 2012 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroGravityFat Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I never considered ducks' picks but between the two scf teams the rest of the league should be ashamed we stole so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 i wont be reading this thread... to me its like looking at picture from you and your ex girlfriends or talk about how you met or listen to the songs you liked.... too soon too soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I'm not even looking at their numbers. I'm only considering their physical talents. Zach's numbers would be better if he was physically stronger. It's funny how it comes back to the original knock on him from the draft. Which still he's an awesome player. He's just not better than the other two players. Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Come on...everyone would be better if they were stronger. Zach Parise has far outperformed any concern or knock about him pre-draft. The knock was thinking he'd look like Tedenby out there or something. I never thought of it like a Tedenby like comparison myself. But, I can see that. Zach has defied that. Perry on the other hand is able to muscle his way to the net in cases where Zach cannot. Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry. Corey Perry can do this as well. He can also bulldoze his way to the net to score. He can also score from anywhere on the ice. He also can stick up for his teammates by punching someone in the face. Perry is the better player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry. ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mackchi Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Zach is strong. He's excellent at getting the puck off other players and keeping it by himself. He just doesn't have a very good shot. He's better than Corey Perry. He's dead to me. Perry can also run through a wall to score a goal and can score from above the circles. Parise cannot. Zach is the little engine that almost could. Very good player but has limitations on the offensive side of things. He's dead to me I tell you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Corey Perry can do this as well. He can also bulldoze his way to the net to score. He can also score from anywhere on the ice. He also can stick up for his teammates by punching someone in the face. Perry is the better player. If Perry's the better player, he should have substantially more goals/game than Parise. He doesn't. His 'skills' aren't worth more than what Parise can do. And that's why evaluating players by 'skill' is misguided and leads people to conclude that players like Kovalchuk and Nash are better than people like Parise. Sometimes it's not about pure skill, it's about what happens on the ice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) If Perry's the better player, he should have substantially more goals/game than Parise. He doesn't. His 'skills' aren't worth more than what Parise can do. And that's why evaluating players by 'skill' is misguided and leads people to conclude that players like Kovalchuk and Nash are better than people like Parise. Sometimes it's not about pure skill, it's about what happens on the ice. I agree on Perry who is one of the streakiest players in the last few years. I think Kovalchuk is definitely a top ten forward in this league due to his play making abilities. He is not just a big shot and his improved defense and leadership he showed this past season makes him very valuable. When you have guys like Brodeur and Clarkson saying he is one of the best teammates they ever had really says something. Edited July 18, 2012 by Zubie#8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 If Perry's the better player, he should have substantially more goals/game than Parise. He doesn't. His 'skills' aren't worth more than what Parise can do. And that's why evaluating players by 'skill' is misguided and leads people to conclude that players like Kovalchuk and Nash are better than people like Parise. Sometimes it's not about pure skill, it's about what happens on the ice. This is coming from the statman himself... touche, but I don't agree. I like Perry's intangibles better. Perry will grab the bull by the balls and win it for you... Zach is limited offensively and thus he can not grab those proverbial balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 I agree on Perry who is one of the streakiest players in the last few years. I think Kovalchuk is definitely a top ten forward in this league due to his play making abilities. He is not just a big shot and his improved defense and leadership he showed this past season makes him very valuable. When you have guys like Brodeur and Clarkson saying he is one of the best teammates they ever had really says something. Kovy is a talented player so he will at times make a playmaking type play because of that talent but he is not a playmaker. When he is at his best he is a shoot-first player. He got away from that playing with Parise and I think will get back to that now that he is gone and I think he will score more goals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) This is coming from the statman himself... touche, but I don't agree. I like Perry's intangibles better. Perry will grab the bull by the balls and win it for you... Zach is limited offensively and thus he can not grab those proverbial balls. Stats are literally about things that happen on the ice. I don't make up numbers that count great locker room speeches, statements to the media, or anything like that. Stats measure on-ice events. And in on-ice events, Perry is not a demonstrably better scorer than Parise. So Perry can have the great shot, or 'take the game by the balls' or whatever, but I'll take Parise. Edited July 18, 2012 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Stats are literally about things that happen on the ice. I don't make up numbers that count great locker room speeches, statements to the media, or anything like that. Stats measure on-ice events. And in on-ice events, Perry is not a demonstrably better scorer than Parise. So Perry can have the great shot, or 'take the game by the balls' or whatever, but I'll take Parise. He has a 50 goal season with his top centerman on the shelf for some time and a Hart trophy to boot. Those are some stats... Parise big year he had himself great chemistry with his linemates and got help the whole year... Perry carried his team for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 (edited) EDIT: Wrong thread again! Edited July 18, 2012 by Zubie#8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfsharkalligatorhalfman Posted July 18, 2012 Share Posted July 18, 2012 Come on, it's obvious the best player from that draft is Brent Burns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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