Devils getting rid of R&R part 2 as their goal song?

[jerseysteve]

To be honest, I'm not offended by the chant, but I do find it embarassing.  It seems pretty bush to me.

[devlman]

Also for the first line, I cannot believe that rationale.  By that logic if the crime of armed robbery was not enforced, that would mean that it is OK to commit armed robbery?

 

Oh, stop. This isnt a court of law. Its simple common sense. Dont compare saying you suck to armed robbery.

[Devil Dan 56]

Because the father's preference follows the Prudential Center's code of conduct.  The fans doing the vulgar language, are not.

 

• Guests shall refrain from using offensive language, making obscene gestures, throwing objects, and possessing prohibited items.

http://www.prucenter.com/default.asp?id=114

 

That's fine. The problem is, the definition of "offensive" is an objective one. What was once accepted is now considered offensive. They decided to ignore the people who aren't offended by 'you suck', and instead swung to the side of the people who ARE offended by it. Which is in their right, as owners and operators of an arena. However, telling a few thousand people to behave differently than they have for 5 years isn't going to go smoothly.

[DevsMan84]

Oh get off your high horse. It's not about denial as much as it is being sick of having to cater to overly sensitive prissy individuals like you.

 

I don't mind rowdiness happening.  It has happened for many years at hockey games.  However the level of it since moving to the Prudential center has exploded and now it is unbearable.  People have for years been saying on this forum about not liking the "you suck" chant and each time those people (including me) were basically written off.  Now that the Devils decided to get rid of it, the ones who chant it are now crying and whining non-stop about it.  Hell they are even voting for it when management told them it is never coming back with the thought process that if they get enough votes that the Devils "will have no choice but to bring it back!"

Dont you see how warped that thinking is? That along with people threatening protests over a stupid goal song? That is a prime example of people who have never heard the word "no."

Oh, stop. This isnt a court of law. Its simple common sense. Dont compare saying you suck to armed robbery.

 

Just following your logic.

That's fine. The problem is, the definition of "offensive" is an objective one. What was once accepted is now considered offensive. They decided to ignore the people who aren't offended by 'you suck', and instead swung to the side of the people who ARE offended by it. Which is in their right, as owners and operators of an arena. However, telling a few thousand people to behave differently than they have for 5 years isn't going to go smoothly.

 

And before those last 5 years, things were going pretty smoothly for the previous 25 or so years.  What happened that this fan base can't accept to act like it did just 5 years ago?  Has this fanbase turned into a bunch of man-children who have the incredible urge to curse and chant dumb chants and cannot fathom going to a game without them?

 

Also in that link there is this:

 

• Guests shall comply with the direction and instructions of Prudential Center staff.

That means its their rules or out you go.  It's their building so they can do what they want and people seem to have trouble grasping at that.

Edited October 25, 2013 by DevsMan84

[NJDevs4978]

The rules have stated that any vulgar language or inappropriate behavior such as taunting is subject to expulsion for many years.  Now fans are up in arms because the new owners decided to enforce it when the previous owner was asleep at the wheel in that aspect?

 

'You suck' is vulgar language?  In 2013?  And since when is taunting inappropriate at a sporting event?

[DevsMan84]

'You suck' is vulgar language?  In 2013?  And since when is taunting inappropriate at a sporting event?

 

Apparently these new owners think it is.  They can think the word "damn" is vulgar language too for all they want and they have every right to since it is their building.

[Devil Dan 56]

 

And before those last 5 years, things were going pretty smoothly for the previous 25 or so years.  What happened that this fan base can't accept to act like it did just 5 years ago?  Has this fanbase turned into a bunch of man-children who have the incredible urge to curse and chant dumb chants and cannot fathom going to a game without them?

 

Also in that link there is this:

 

• Guests shall comply with the direction and instructions of Prudential Center staff.

That means its their rules or out you go.  It's their building so they can do what they want and people seem to have trouble grasping at that.

First off, you are having a terrible time understanding that I mostly agree with your point about it being their building and their decision. I'm saying they are doing an awful and overly heavy-handed job of putting their ideas into action. You can't please everyone, but they have to understand they are going from pleasing one group to IMMEDIATELY pleasing another with no transition process. This will create backlash. It's natural. The only voice fans have, other than their physical voice which is now being silenced, is their wallet.

 

As for the lowly fans you can't stand, the fan base has gotten much younger with the move to Newark. Younger people act, well, younger. It's part of a growing fan base.  I'm not a huge fan of the overly rowdy drunken crowd either. That's why I almost always sell off my NYR or Philly tickets. The worst seem to come out for those and it's not worth the hassle. But I understand that they enjoy the game differently than I do. As childish as they come off for demanding juvenile chants and drinking until they are sick (and it is childish), you ALSO come off in a childish manner by demanding that everyone see things through your prism and not acknowledging other peoples ideas of 'fun' just because it doesn't match your own. If they don't want to spend their hard earned money on a slightly cleaner experience than what they are used to, that is their prerogative. And again, I say this as someone who probably enjoys games in a very similar manner to how you enjoy them.

[PWW]

I just want to say that I don't even care about RRP2 at this point. I just want the building to rock like it did the past few years. Whatever that takes (within reason), I'm all for it. Last night sucked. It legitimately just wasn't fun in any way. It truly felt like I was back at CAA. This used to not matter as much to me a few years ago, but after experiencing such awesome crowds for the past couple of years, I'd really hate to see that go away. The atmosphere that was built was truly the thing that bumped me up from going to a few games a year to leaping headfirst into getting season tickets. It'd be really tough to go back now after seeing how loud and exciting it can be in that building.

[CarpathianForest]

How about "Punkrocker" by the Teddybears

[maxpower]

First off, you are having a terrible time understanding that I mostly agree with your point about it being their building and their decision. I'm saying they are doing an awful and overly heavy-handed job of putting their ideas into action. You can't please everyone, but they have to understand they are going from pleasing one group to IMMEDIATELY pleasing another with no transition process. This will create backlash. It's natural. The only voice fans have, other than their physical voice which is now being silenced, is their wallet.

 

As for the lowly fans you can't stand, the fan base has gotten much younger with the move to Newark. Younger people act, well, younger. It's part of a growing fan base.  I'm not a huge fan of the overly rowdy drunken crowd either. That's why I almost always sell off my NYR or Philly tickets. The worst seem to come out for those and it's not worth the hassle. But I understand that they enjoy the game differently than I do. As childish as they come off for demanding juvenile chants and drinking until they are sick (and it is childish), you ALSO come off in a childish manner by demanding that everyone see things through your prism and not acknowledging other peoples ideas of 'fun' just because it doesn't match your own. If they don't want to spend their hard earned money on a slightly cleaner experience than what they are used to, that is their prerogative. And again, I say this as someone who probably enjoys games in a very similar manner to how you enjoy them.

 

This, exactly.   I'm pretty sure he understands it, and that's why he keeps posting on this, but he sounds like the old man on a rocking chair with a shotgun.  Woefully out of touch with how things *are*.   Not how you want them to be, or remember them being, how they *are*.

 

There are people that go to have a good time.   I would guess most people do.   If something happens that means they might not have a good time, they might not come back.   It is what it is.   It's a small thing but really right now they shouldn't be driving anyone away because man, are they going to struggle to get people in there next season.

[TheMazz]

How about "Punkrocker" by the Teddybears

 

I think Sweetness by Jimmy Eat World would work.

 

If you're listening wooooooooah, sing it back wooooooah.

 

Edited October 26, 2013 by TheMazz

[TheRedStorm]

I'm not gonna to go after you personally too much here, but I'd work on the reading comprehension a bit. In no, way, shape or form did I defend the "Flyers swallow" chant. I brought up other sporting events as a comparison, because you would a hell of a lot worse at a typical NASCAR or NFL game than at a Devils game. There's nothing ignorant about it, but your attempt to passively dismiss my point was sure was.

The point remains though, that if you're not going to take your kid some place because of some occasional inappropriate language..then have fun avoiding most public places. Kids are going to hear it one way or another, such is life in today's society.

It's a stupid reason to not bring a kid to a sporting event, but it's of course the parents' right to do so. The masses shouldn't necessarily have to cater to the minority, though.

Let me explain. I am going to lump you in with your age group. Why? First, it's whom you're defending and arguing back at. Second, you are either very "pro-suck" or you're doing a god awful job of fence sitting. You're not alone, so don't think it's just you. There's a few other people here are doing it in the vain attempts at being neutral and coy trying to see both sides yet having an opinion(s) that sway one way. You can't see this argument/issue/problem from a neutral perspective. You're either on one side or the other. It's just one side leans heavily in one particular age group and it's undeniable when you read around and then see it at games.

 

But, i'll tell you one ignorant thing you did post which led to my comment. That shot at NASCAR not being a sport. NASCAR is the most popular spectator sport in the country. How many times is it on the national news in terms of fan behavior considering you've got 80,000+ people in one place nearly every weekend from Feb to (roughly) Oct? MLB had a fan beaten into a coma. In the NFL there's courts in the bowels of the stadium in Philly, extra security outside each section in Oakland and a Jets fan hitting a woman last weekend. Euro soccer there's beating, stabbings, riots and refs killed. But, i forgot those sports embrace and encourage wild fan behavior like you did say......

 

I still do not get why people such as yourself can not understand that in a public place there are codes of conduct. Instead, the comeback is "don't take your kid there" or "they'll hear it someplace else". It goes back to the argument about entitlement. It's not about the "masses", either. It's about proper behavior and maturity which sadly is lacking across society in general.

 

I said awhile back that you can not have kids live in a bubble but you can pick or choose where to bring them and do your part as a parent. See, you can only do so much to educate children and try to protect them knowing full well they'll learn it one way or another, eventually. It's a double edged sword, but it shouldn't be in a public place. Especially where there are codes of conduct and a simple respect for others. A person does not have the right to make a public place, be it a game or a visit to the mall or food store, their own personal living room to do and say what they want.

 

How difficult is this, really, to understand? 

Edited October 26, 2013 by TheRedStorm

[gsnts725]

I just want to say that I don't even care about RRP2 at this point. I just want the building to rock like it did the past few years. Whatever that takes (within reason), I'm all for it. Last night sucked. It legitimately just wasn't fun in any way. It truly felt like I was back at CAA. This used to not matter as much to me a few years ago, but after experiencing such awesome crowds for the past couple of years, I'd really hate to see that go away. The atmosphere that was built was truly the thing that bumped me up from going to a few games a year to leaping headfirst into getting season tickets. It'd be really tough to go back now after seeing how loud and exciting it can be in that building.

I agree. The atmosphere was night was pretty horrid. I know people want their goal song back but I found it very disrespectful people boo'ing after each goal cause they didn't like the fvcking song. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

[maxpower]

I am going to lump you in with your age group. Why? First, you sound like part of the problem with certain comments that stand out and whom you are defending and arguing at. Second, you are either very "pro-suck" but afraid to fully commit to being such or you're doing a god awful job of fence sitting. There's a few other members here are doing the same thing in the vain attempts at being neutral and coy trying to see both sides of it yet having an opinion(s) that sway one way. You can't see this argument/issue/problem from a neutral perspective. You're either on one side or the other and the one side leans heavily in one particular age group.

 

But, i'll tell you one ignorant thing you did post which led to my comment. That shot at NASCAR not being a sport. 

Speaking of, NASCAR is the most popular spectator sport in the country. That's Fact. How many times is it on the national news in terms of fan behavior? MLB had a fan beaten into a coma. In the NFL there's courts in the bowels of the stadium in Philly, extra security outside each section in Oakland. Euro soccer there's beating, stabbings, riots and refs killed. But, i forgot those sports embrace and encourage wild fan behavior like you did say......

 

I still do not get why people such as yourself can not understand that in a public place there are codes of conduct. Instead, the comeback is "don't take your kid there" or "they'll hear it someplace else". It goes back to the argument about entitlement. It's not about the "masses", either. It's about proper behavior and maturity which sadly is lacking across society in general.

 

I said awhile back that you can not have kids live in a bubble but you can pick or choose where to bring them and do your part as a parent. See, you can only do so much to educate children and try to protect them knowing full well they'll learn it one way or another, eventually. It's a double edged sword, but it shouldn't be in a public place. Especially where there are codes of conduct and a simple respect for others. A person does not have the right to make a public place, be it a game or a visit to the mall or food store, their own personal living room to do and say what they want.

 

How difficult is this, really, to understand? 

 

 

There's no talk about Nascar fan conduct because no one outside of the ingroup gives a sh!t about it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X___vyGDS-M

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S55RProxKko

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC1cfgbowUg

Edited October 26, 2013 by maxpower

[thecoffeecake]

Its not about the goal song, its about being told how and how not to act, and that the traditions we value are all of the sudden unacceptable. The people we are missing from the building is the casual fans. Diehards arent going anywhere, but every fanbase is dependent on casual fans. These traditions build a sense of community around the team, which brings in those casual fans. What we want is what they have in markets like Boston, Philly, St. Louis, places where people can walk down the street, see the game on a tv somewhere, say "hey, how are the Bruins doing?", and someone has an answer. They might not be the biggest fan, they might not have known the team was playing or even how they were that year, but they care because its a part of the community. This isnt all directly affected by the goal song obviously but i feel like these guys dont care to foster this sense of community around this team that we, or at least I, so desparately want. Everyone in Boston knows who the Red Sox are, how many non-sports fans in NJ know who the Devils are? They need to create that, somehow, and i felt like we were moving in that direction before this season. Sorry, that was a poorly articulated rant, and im on my phone so i cant really elaborate as well as i would like to

[PWW]

I agree. The atmosphere was night was pretty horrid. I know people want their goal song back but I found it very disrespectful people boo'ing after each goal cause they didn't like the fvcking song. It just rubbed me the wrong way.

 

I was more annoyed that I felt like I had time traveled back to the Brendan Byrne Arena. I swear, with the music that was played and dead crowd, I was looking around expecting to see mullets as far as the eye could see, or at least some 80's teased hair. It was borderline depressing.

[TheRedStorm]

There's no talk about Nascar fan conduct because no one outside of the ingroup gives a sh!t about it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X___vyGDS-M

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S55RProxKko

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KC1cfgbowUg

You really think the NHL is still a big 4 sport? That anyone outside of the hardcore fans give a crap in the US? The NHL is sadly a cult fullowing sport in the US now with it's hardcore fans and it's struggle to gain the casual. It's not a big 4 sport anymore. NASCAR is the most popular spectator sport in the country.

 

Go and see how many times NASCAR fan behavior made ESPN headlines. Then go look at MLB, euro soccer and the NFL.  

[maxpower]

You really think the NHL is still a big 4 sport? That anyone outside of the hardcore fans give a crap in the US? The NHL is sadly a cult fullowing sport in the US now with it's hardcore fans and it's struggle to gain the casual. It's not a big 4 sport anymore. NASCAR is the most popular spectator sport in the country.

 

Go and see how many times NASCAR fan behavior made ESPN headlines. Then go look at MLB, euro soccer and the NFL.  

 

First of all, it's not, the NFL is by a mile.  Giants Vikings did 13M viewers, and that game was the sh!ts.   Last week's race did 5M viewers.

 

Secondly, like I said, it's not going to make headlines because no one cares.  It's not a big story if some rednecks punch each other at/during a race.  Just like that busload of awful Flyer fans that ended up fighting each other when they got dropped off in Bucks County.   If you think people don't go to the races and get drunk and act out I don't know what to tell you.   I mean the last time they were in Pocono, someone got arrested with 500 bags of heroin on them.    Even if they weren't using, obviously SOMEONE was there if you'd bring that much with you.

[gsnts725]

I was more annoyed that I felt like I had time traveled back to the Brendan Byrne Arena. I swear, with the music that was played and dead crowd, I was looking around expecting to see mullets as far as the eye could see, or at least some 80's teased hair. It was borderline depressing.

Thank God I wasn't alive to see that lol. But I guess I got a taste of it last night cept the Prudential is beautiful while the CAA is ugly as fvck.

Edited October 26, 2013 by gsnts725

[TheRedStorm]

First of all, it's not, the NFL is by a mile.  Giants Vikings did 13M viewers, and that game was the sh!ts.   Last week's race did 5M viewers.

 

Secondly, like I said, it's not going to make headlines because no one cares.  It's not a big story if some rednecks punch each other at/during a race.  Just like that busload of awful Flyer fans that ended up fighting each other when they got dropped off in Bucks County.   If you think people don't go to the races and get drunk and act out I don't know what to tell you.   I mean the last time they were in Pocono, someone got arrested with 500 bags of heroin on them.    Even if they weren't using, obviously SOMEONE was there if you'd bring that much with you.

NASCAR is the most popular spectator sport in the US. Look it up, it's not an argument. It's slipping, but it's still #1. 

 

Most fan problems in sports are minor and amount to nothing but an over night stay in county or fine. Some are criminally charged. How many of the criminal charges with fans of NASCAR makes ESPN? And ESPN will report it, they are NASCAR's sugar daddy. They report if Jeff Gordon has a hangnail and the always entertaining driver fights.

[Bonginator11]

I voted for Sweetness by Jimmy Eat World too.

Edited October 26, 2013 by Bonginator11

[maxpower]

NASCAR is the most popular spectator sport in the US. Look it up, it's not an argument. It's slipping, but it's still #1. 

 

Most fan problems in sports are minor and amount to nothing but an over night stay in county or fine. Some are criminally charged. How many of the criminal charges with fans of NASCAR makes ESPN? And ESPN will report it, they are NASCAR's sugar daddy. They report if Jeff Gordon has a hangnail and the always entertaining driver fights.

 

No, it's not the most popular spectator sport.   At most they can do 100-150K a week.  The NFL does 500K a week upwards.   And by TV viewers, it's not even close.     They might be right that they can stuff more people in one given place at one given time, but that doesn't make it the most "popular".    It's a regional sport that's a curiosity everywhere else.   They do huge TV numbers in a blob from the midwest to Florida, but not so much in the big markets.   But hey, NBC forked over a bajillion dollars for them too, so whatever works.

Edited October 26, 2013 by maxpower

[DH26]

No, it's not the most popular spectator sport.   At most they can do 100-150K a week.  The NFL does 500K a week upwards.   And by TV viewers, it's not even close.     They might be right that they can stuff more people in one given place at one given time, but that doesn't make it the most "popular".    It's a regional sport that's a curiosity everywhere else.   They do huge TV numbers in a blob from the midwest to Florida, but not so much in the big markets.   But hey, NBC forked over a bajillion dollars for them too, so whatever works.

 

add in college football with B1G stadiums at Michigan/PSU/whoever with 100K plus stadiums every week and it's a joke that nascar calls itself that

[2ELIAS6]

some people in here literally are the type to talk just to hear themselves talk my god.. no one cares about fvcking nascar in here or how many people are watching it.. this thread was about a goal song change.. if you have an issue with peoples language cover your ears or stay the hell home and never leave.. i dont know what to tell you.. watch the news youll see way worse sh!t then someone saying you suck at a hockey game.. have fun explaining that to your kid. Fact of the matter is the team got sold and they changed the song yes it happened lets all understand and accept it already.. is what it is certainly is NOT going to stop people from saying what ever they want at a hockey game and way worse language then the word suck.. being a little bitch isnt going to get anyone anywhere in life and if your that soft to bitch about someone saying the word suck or saying someone sucks at a sporting event get over yourself or you will get mugged as soon as you step out side of your mothers pants and realize how bad it really is out there.

[NJDevs26]

First off, you are having a terrible time understanding that I mostly agree with your point about it being their building and their decision. I'm saying they are doing an awful and overly heavy-handed job of putting their ideas into action. You can't please everyone, but they have to understand they are going from pleasing one group to IMMEDIATELY pleasing another with no transition process. This will create backlash. It's natural. The only voice fans have, other than their physical voice which is now being silenced, is their wallet.

 

Not to mention the group they're pleasing is the clear minority and they're annoying the vast majority.  This is what's comical about this thread and the one on HF, the minority refuses to believe they are a minority when it's clear as day.

 

A person does not have the right to make a public place, be it a game or a visit to the mall or food store, their own personal living room to do and say what they want.

 

How difficult is this, really, to understand? 

 

That's not the issue here.  They're free to enact any rule they want, just like fans are free not to buy a ticket if they don't like it.  

 

The issue is whether they're needlessly poisoning the atmosphere by starting an adversarial relationship with the fans over something a majority of them do not find offensive.  Not to mention the way they've gone about this has engendered even more of a lack of trust than the actions themselves.  

 

And it wasn't just changing the goal song at the last minute without telling anyone that's caused the lack of trust either, the new broker rules (which they also didn't tell anyone about beforehand) also affected a number of people like Satans Hockey.

Edited October 26, 2013 by NJDevs26