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Story might be true or not, but it might as well be true. Players that have been scratched are not going to love the coach. I ran into Mark Fraser years ago and he thought the same thing. He wanted out and couldn't believe another player passed him on the depth chart.(it was Fayne). His agent was desperately trying to get Lou to move him, and Lou was basically ignoring the agent for a few months. It wouldn't shock me if that was the case with Larsson and his agent.

 

Unless there are injuries, there is going to be one unhappy defenseman all year in NJ (Gelinas or Larsson). All the talk will be that Salvador needs to get scratched. It just won't happen. Lou isn't going to be intimidated by any agent here or threats to bolt.

 

Josefson...I kind of feel bad for, except he had a really meh camp. He didn't show Deboer anything really that would get Pete to even think about putting him in a game.

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Story might be true or not, but it might as well be true. Players that have been scratched are not going to love the coach. I ran into Mark Fraser years ago and he thought the same thing. He wanted out and couldn't believe another player passed him on the depth chart.(it was Fayne). His agent was desperately trying to get Lou to move him, and Lou was basically ignoring the agent for a few months. It wouldn't shock me if that was the case with Larsson and his agent.

 

Unless there are injuries, there is going to be one happy defenseman all year in NJ (Gelinas or Larsson). All the talk will be that Salvador needs to get scratched. It just won't happen. Lou isn't going to be intimidated by any agent here or threats to bolt.

 

Josefson...I kind of feel bad for, except he had a really meh camp. He didn't show Deboer anything really that would get Pete to even think about putting him in a game.

 

'Unless there are injuries' - of course there will be injuries.  And honestly, as bad as Salvador has been, I'm not sure that Gelinas hasn't been worse 5 on 5.  

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'Unless there are injuries' - of course there will be injuries.  And honestly, as bad as Salvador has been, I'm not sure that Gelinas hasn't been worse 5 on 5.  

 

I agree about Gelinas. He has been awful. I'm just stating what the average fan will say.

 

As for the injuries, I just mean something major or a few shorter injuries that come right after another. Each guy wants to be in there every game. There is no Peter Harrold on the roster that has come to terms with his role as 7th defenseman.

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Eh, while I agree it was a horrendous decision to pass, the decision to pull Schneider before the puck had even crossed center ice was worse.

 

Most goalie pulls happen on the rush like that. Usually, the defenseman dumps it in and it's 6-on-5 in the other team's zone. It's a normal play. Gelinas just botched it. 

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Figured I'd pass on some interesting info. A friend of mine met Larsson and Josefson at a bar in Hoboken this past week. Both said Deboer just doesn't like them and is the reason they don't play. Larsson said he's leaving. I asked my friend what he meant by that, but Larsson never elaborated in his conversation with him. My friend thought Larsson was a bit strange, but said Josefson was really nice to talk to. He said Tedenby loves where he's playing and has no plans to come back. Josefson said he's not sure what he plans on doing, but would like to be in the NHL.
 
 
via hfboards

 

 

 

So these players told a complete stranger that PDB "doesn't like them" and that is why they are sitting?!?! WOW

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Except Burns is barely cheaper. Literally. Pavelski is at 6 flat and Burns is making 5.76 and is signed through 2017. Burns also has an NTC, so that could potentially bar a trade here. If they were making a move for Burns, they can just as easily make one for Pavelski. Both also have NTC. It seems like anyone that fits "major veteran asset" on that team do. To get any of these guys, we have to move salary out too.

 

I think a guy like Pavelski could succeed here, but Id be shocked to see the Sharks move him at this point. Thats a guy you move if you have secrets about (i.e. he has an injury thats creeping, locker room problem etc) or if your team is out of the race. Not for a guy that's making less than a million, has proven absolutely nothing in the NHL, and clearly wants out of here. It just doesnt fit. They're not going to give us a Pavelski or Burns for Larsson and Brunner or Larsson and Ryder, etc.

 

If a deal is done with the Sharks for Larsson, most Devils fans will be pissed with the return.

 

 

What could people be honestly expecting in return in a Larsson deal?!?!?  His value is certainly not very high, and it seems like they are hurting his value further with every game he sits in the press box.

 

Will be interesting to see how he plays tonight vs the Rangers

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What could people be honestly expecting in return in a Larsson deal?!?!?  His value is certainly not very high, and it seems like they are hurting his value further with every game he sits in the press box.

 

 

I've said it before, all you need is a GM that gets swooned by draft position, his youth and whatever scouts said about him 4 years ago. 

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I've said it before, all you need is a GM that gets swooned by draft position, his youth and whatever scouts said about him 4 years ago.

Isles were a potential match until they added Boychuk and Leddy. I wouldn't sleep on a WC team being the trade partner going forward.

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Larsson will command a good return because he is still young and is still virtually considered as "unknown" as a prospect entering the draft.  We must not forget that Larsson was a big part of the SCF run in 2012.  He was only a rookie then.

 

He will NOT command the return of a proven, top-25 scorer, but he can definitely command the return of a player the likes of a Yakupov / Zibenejad / Cogliano, etc.

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Vlasic made team canada and he didnt... that kind of means something

 

No, it doesn't mean a damn thing in this discussion. The only thing it means is that Vlasic and Burns are completely different types of defenders and Team Canada took Vlasic because they needed him. They didn't need Burns when they already had guys like Doughty and Weber. Vlasic is a stay at home defender. Burns is not. I would argue that Burns is a better offensive d-man than Vlasic is a stay at home defender, but they have two different jobs on the ice.

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Larsson will command a good return because he is still young and is still virtually considered as "unknown" as a prospect entering the draft.  We must not forget that Larsson was a big part of the SCF run in 2012.  He was only a rookie then.

 

He will NOT command the return of a proven, top-25 scorer, but he can definitely command the return of a player the likes of a Yakupov / Zibenejad / Cogliano, etc.

 

Bullsh!t. Hes been in the league 3 years and has done nothing. "A big part of the SCF run in 2012" what? He played in 5 games that entire playoff season. He was basically non-existant in the playoffs lol.

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Larsson will command a good return because he is still young and is still virtually considered as "unknown" as a prospect entering the draft.  We must not forget that Larsson was a big part of the SCF run in 2012.  He was only a rookie then.

 

He will NOT command the return of a proven, top-25 scorer, but he can definitely command the return of a player the likes of a Yakupov / Zibenejad / Cogliano, etc.

 

Not a chance on those players. Larsson is too much of an unknown right now to risk a good young player. Not that Cogliano is so young anymore.

 

Larsson was also not a big part of a Cup run. He played decent in 5 games. Hardly a big part.

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No, it doesn't mean a damn thing in this discussion. The only thing it means is that Vlasic and Burns are completely different types of defenders and Team Canada took Vlasic because they needed him. They didn't need Burns when they already had guys like Doughty and Weber. Vlasic is a stay at home defender. Burns is not. I would argue that Burns is a better offensive d-man than Vlasic is a stay at home defender, but they have two different jobs on the ice.

 

Vlasic is much better than Burns.  Vlasic is a top defensive D.

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Not a chance on those players. Larsson is too much of an unknown right now to risk a good young player. Not that Cogliano is so young anymore.

 

Larsson was also not a big part of a Cup run. He played decent in 5 games. Hardly a big part.

 

I agree that he played descent in the limited time he got during that cup run and was not a "big" part.  However, his goal in the third period of Game 2 vs. the Flyers was one of most important we scored that entire post season.  The Devils were on their way to a 1-0 or 2-0 loss in that game and a 2-0 hole in the series and that goal completely changed the script in that game and, ultimately, the series.

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Better chance Gelinas gets traded than Larsson...

i dont think so.. if that were the case i think we wouldve started out with larsson in the line up rather than gelinas.. larsson has voiced his dis pleasure with his situation its no secret..if any of the young D are on their way out of here it is larsson with out a doubt
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