Neb00rs Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) Okay, at this point I feel like this needs its own thread. The hope that we will get McDavid or Eichel by playing poorly has been uttered so much on this board that it has almost become a reasonable expectation for some. It's not going to happen, not unless we win the lottery again (aka not happening). Triumph is right when he says our only hope is the draft, and so don't get me wrong, I hope that this prediction is wrong (I'm not). Unless of course you want to try and win the Cup year in and year out by signing the Michael Ryders of the world. We are not going to make the playoffs and we are ALSO not going to finish as one of the worst two teams. Such is the unfortunate result of being a team that has had years of low draft picks, bad draft picks, and retiring/fleeing stars and a GM who can always at least put a semi-decent team together. And CR76 is also right when he says it looks like this team will be a mess for years to come. So buckle up. We need to focus on the following scenarios: 1. One of our current prospects surprises us and matures into a star 2. We draft a steal in this years draft with our top 10 pick (unfortunately though, we aren't going to get the kind of talent that has launched dynasties like the Kings, Pens, and Hawks) 3. We trade this year's pick at its (potential) highest value and build from there (not rebuild) Edited December 18, 2014 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 We very much have a shot to be one of the worst two teams in the league. Look at the point percentages. Plus the NHL fixed anyway We very much have a shot to be one of the worst two teams in the league. Look at the point percentages. Plus the NHL fixed anyway Bettman will help the owners and get Connor here and he doesn't want another first pick rotting in Siberia (EDM) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) I have seen barely any McDavid or Eichel talk on the board, so while I agree the chances are slim, I don't see anything close to its "been uttered so much on this board that it has almost become a reasonable expectation for some." The lower you are in the standings, the better your odds for McDavid. Even the worst team only has a 20% chance at Connor. Eichel is maybe even more unlikely. Edited December 18, 2014 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't think it will happen either. We're starting to get healthy, Elias is back and looked good yesterday, Zubrus and Cammalleri will be back. Plus now we actually have a legit backup in Kinkaid, the team will win games. Not enough to make the playoffs but enough to disqualify us from McDavid and Eichel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I mean we're the 4th worst team as it stands today. That gives us an 8.5% shot. I don't think we'll stay this bad... but if we sell soon... maybe? I wouldn't want to though. This is how it looks points per game... and simply projecting that over 82 games. 1. PITTSBURGH: 1.47 / 120.27 2. ANAHEIM: 1.42 / 116.79 3. ST. LOUIS: 1.42 / 116.39 4. CHICAGO: 1.41 / 115.31 5. NASHVILLE: 1.4 / 114.8 6. NY ISLANDERS: 1.35 / 111.1 7. TORONTO: 1.32 / 108.45 8. MONTRÉAL: 1.31 / 107.63 9. DETROIT: 1.31 / 107.63 10. TAMPA BAY: 1.3 / 106.85 11. VANCOUVER: 1.23 / 100.52 12. SAN JOSE: 1.19 / 97.38 13. WINNIPEG: 1.19 / 97.38 14. NY RANGERS: 1.17 / 96.14 15. FLORIDA: 1.17 / 96.14 16. MINNESOTA: 1.13 / 92.93 17. WASHINGTON: 1.13 / 92.93 18. LOS ANGELES: 1.13 / 92.25 19. BOSTON: 1.09 / 89.69 20. CALGARY: 1.09 / 89.45 21. OTTAWA: 1.03 / 84.65 22. DALLAS: 0.97 / 79.27 23. COLUMBUS: 0.93 / 76.53 24. PHILADELPHIA: 0.9 / 73.8 25. COLORADO: 0.9 / 73.8 26. BUFFALO: 0.88 / 71.75 27. NEW JERSEY: 0.85 / 69.58 28. ARIZONA: 0.84 / 68.77 29. CAROLINA: 0.63 / 51.93 30. EDMONTON: 0.63 / 51.25 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) The Devils are two points ahead of the third worst team in the league, but the Devils have played two more games. Third worst in the league is probably as low as the Devils will end up, but it's also reasonable to see them being there at the end of the season. A quick perusal of the league standings over the past nine years shows that three or four times a team that has finished at least third worst has won the lottery. So while Eichel is almost certainly out of the equation, there is a plausible shot at McDavid. Obviously you can't act right now as if you have won the lottery. But it really can't hurt to try at this point. Edited December 18, 2014 by Daniel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 NJ has almost no chance for Eichel. They do however have a decent shot at McDavid - almost as decent as anyone else. And there's plenty of other elite talent at the top of this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted December 18, 2014 Author Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't think we'll stay this bad... but if we sell soon... maybe? I wouldn't want to though. Obviously, that is an option that could change things. I don't see Lou shaking this team up much. I don't see Lou ever shaking this team up much. I have seen barely any McDavid or Eichel talk on the board, so while I agree the chances are slim, I don't see anything close to its "been uttered so much on this board that it has almost become a reasonable expectation for some." The lower you are in the standings, the better your odds for McDavid. Even the worst team only has a 20% chance at Connor. Eichel is maybe even more unlikely. Every GDT is filled with posts hoping for us to continue losing se we can get McDavid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onddeck Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 NJ has almost no chance for Eichel. They do however have a decent shot at McDavid - almost as decent as anyone else. And there's plenty of other elite talent at the top of this draft. just to be clear, the rules are that if you dont win the lottery, then you draft in the order you finished right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 just to be clear, the rules are that if you dont win the lottery, then you draft in the order you finished right? correct, and there is only one lottery winner, unlike the NBA which has three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 NJ has almost no chance for Eichel. They do however have a decent shot at McDavid - almost as decent as anyone else. And there's plenty of other elite talent at the top of this draft. Agreed. Strome, Marner, Zacha(who might be the best Czech drafted in awhile), even guys like Hanifin all look like really skilled impact players. Finishing out of the top 2 but still in the top 6 should not be perceived as a loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't think it will happen either. We're starting to get healthy, Elias is back and looked good yesterday, Zubrus and Cammalleri will be back. Plus now we actually have a legit backup in Kinkaid, the team will win games. Not enough to make the playoffs but enough to disqualify us from McDavid and Eichel. There are going to continue to be injuries. They also don't play very well at home and have a home heavy schedule remaining. With an old roster and terrible forwards, it is possible. Also I'd urge caution on Kinkaid. The NHL can easily catch up and expose young goalies. I'm impressed so far with his attitude and his mechanics but its way too early. He's certainly better than Hedberg or Clemmensen so if that is your point then point taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Agreed. Strome, Marner, Zacha(who might be the best Czech drafted in awhile), even guys like Hanifin all look like really skilled impact players. Finishing out of the top 2 but still in the top 6 should not be perceived as a loss.It is an absolute MUST that this team draft an impact forward to begin building around. There should be ample opportunity to do that if we pick in the top 5 or 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 All i say is that everything is possible, our players are super old and injury prone... plus i'd imagine that along with the season they'll lose their legs... compared to team underneath us who are mostly young and skilled can only get better. All of that to say that if we're 27th now, it's really not impossible that we finish in the top 2. Saying we'll get better is just as much a stretch as saying we'll get worst Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) We very much have a shot to be one of the worst two teams in the league. Look at the point percentages. Plus the NHL fixed anyway We very much have a shot to be one of the worst two teams in the league. Look at the point percentages. Plus the NHL fixed anyway Bettman will help the owners and get Connor here and he doesn't want another first pick rotting in Siberia (EDM) At this stage, I honestly wouldn't put it past the league to heavily favor the Devils at the lottery. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, to think it WILL be done, but it's in the league's best interest that Philly, New Jersey, or Colorado get that 1st round pick. Maybe Arizona too (big maybe). And I can't see Philly staying down in the cellar with us honestly, they'll improve; we won't, and Colorado might not either. The league wants us to succeed more than Devils fans will give them credit for. Having the entire NY metro area turned onto hockey while local football and baseball goes down the toilet. They got their Rangers playoff run last year, they're getting their Islanders re-birth right before the Brooklyn move, they got their Devils change of ownership (who they love). They absolutely want us to succeed. Edited December 18, 2014 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 At this stage, I honestly wouldn't put it past the league to heavily favor the Devils at the lottery. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, to think it WILL be done, but it's in the league's best interest that Philly, New Jersey, or Colorado get that 1st round pick. Maybe Arizona too (big maybe). And I can't see Philly staying down in the cellar with us honestly, they'll improve; we won't, and Colorado might not either. The league wants us to succeed more than Devils fans will give them credit for. Having the entire NY metro area turned onto hockey while local football and baseball goes down the toilet. They got their Rangers playoff run last year, they're getting their Islanders re-birth right before the Brooklyn move, they got their Devils change of ownership (who they love). They absolutely want us to succeed. While McDavid will help the Devils immensely, I think it does more for the league $$$ wise if McDavid ended up on the Flyers or any other big market teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 At this stage, I honestly wouldn't put it past the league to heavily favor the Devils at the lottery. I'm not a conspiracy theorist, to think it WILL be done, but it's in the league's best interest that Philly, New Jersey, or Colorado get that 1st round pick. Maybe Arizona too (big maybe). And I can't see Philly staying down in the cellar with us honestly, they'll improve; we won't, and Colorado might not either. The league wants us to succeed more than Devils fans will give them credit for. Having the entire NY metro area turned onto hockey while local football and baseball goes down the toilet. They got their Rangers playoff run last year, they're getting their Islanders re-birth right before the Brooklyn move, they got their Devils change of ownership (who they love). They absolutely want us to succeed. The league doesn't favor anyone in the lottery. They get an auditing firm like KPMG to monitor the results. Firms like that do not risk their reputations in order to facilitate a pro hocky league conspiracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 While McDavid will help the Devils immensely, I think it does more for the league $$$ wise if McDavid ended up on the Flyers or any other big market teams. 100%, but yeah, either scenario would make Bettman thrilled I think; like I said, they want us to succeed more than we give Bettman credit for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 The league's favor to the new owners was Quenneville. Even if the lottery was rigged there's no good reason why it would be rigged for us ever say, Colorado, Philly or even Buffalo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 (edited) The league doesn't favor anyone in the lottery. They get an auditing firm like KPMG to monitor the results. Firms like that do not risk their reputations in order to facilitate a pro hocky league conspiracy. I know I know, which is why I said it'd never happen. But if it WERE up to them, I think they'd want the Devils/Colorado/Buffalo to get it way more than Edmonton or Carolina. You'd be talking about a trifecta of great ratings and attendance in the metro area all at one time. Just a hypothetical. Edited December 18, 2014 by DJ Eco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 Finishing out of the top 2 but still in the top 6 should not be perceived as a loss. I'd almost consider it a loss, frankly. This team is no better off in the future than Buffalo or Edmonton (hell, you could argue both teams have a potentially brighter than the Devils right now). And, if McDavid and Eichel live up to their reputations, it'd be a damn shame to miss out on two generational talents in what could be the Devils worst season in decades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devlman Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 All i say is that everything is possible, our players are super old and injury prone... plus i'd imagine that along with the season they'll lose their legs... compared to team underneath us who are mostly young and skilled can only get better. All of that to say that if we're 27th now, it's really not impossible that we finish in the top 2. Saying we'll get better is just as much a stretch as saying we'll get worst Anything is possible. This team can get hot, get great goaltending, and get healthy and make a playoff push. They can just as easily feel old and continue dropping in the standings. Thats why i cant stop watching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewarkDevil5 Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 While McDavid will help the Devils immensely, I think it does more for the league $$$ wise if McDavid ended up on the Flyers or any other big market teams. I don't know that an offensive star on the order of a McDavid wouldn't wind up making NJ a marketable item to the NY media for the first time in its history. For better or worse, NY's media loves a winner and loves offense. The last time a non-Ranger metro area team had an offensive player that marketable his name was Mike Bossy and you better believe the Islanders had support from the media in those days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 I don't know that an offensive star on the order of a McDavid wouldn't wind up making NJ a marketable item to the NY media for the first time in its history. For better or worse, NY's media loves a winner and loves offense. The last time a non-Ranger metro area team had an offensive player that marketable his name was Mike Bossy and you better believe the Islanders had support from the media in those days. Tavares is a top ten forward in the league and he gets nothing in terms of local and leaguewide marketing. NJ had a top goalie of all time who had a 15 year prime and they got nothing locally. Lundqvist gets more now than Marty ever did and Brodeur is an all timer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted December 18, 2014 Share Posted December 18, 2014 this board is so negative now they're convinced they can even lose right.....awesomeness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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