Nature's Minister Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 I can definetly use some motivation for the gym. if you need motivation, don't go the gym is not for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njdevils2003champs Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 To be honest, my main problem is that I work out when I can and have no results so I need to look into a good supplement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted January 4, 2009 Author Share Posted January 4, 2009 here is a good supplement drink a lot of milk and invest in a good protein powder if you aren't gaining, it's probably because you aren't eating enough. you don't really need any supplements at all if you're just starting out - just a lot more food when you get nutrition down and you have a good schedule and you start plateauing, then start thinking about adding supplements Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostondevil11 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 here is a good supplementdrink a lot of milk and invest in a good protein powder if you aren't gaining, it's probably because you aren't eating enough. you don't really need any supplements at all if you're just starting out - just a lot more food when you get nutrition down and you have a good schedule and you start plateauing, then start thinking about adding supplements What this guy said (well except for the milk I am lactose intolerant) but eating if probably more important than what you lift at the gym. Which is my big problem right now. A few years ago I was doing great on both parts. Slipped a disk in my back and I just can't seem to get back to it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted March 4, 2009 Author Share Posted March 4, 2009 (edited) took a couple months off from deadlifting, mostly because of my job. went back to it for the first time over the weekend and i nailed a set of 13 at 325. i was pretty happy with that even though it's down from my previous max. it was a lot more volume than i could do previously at that weight, anyway. Edited March 4, 2009 by Nature's Minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted April 3, 2009 Share Posted April 3, 2009 http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cn/ultra.html Love this stuff, works great and is pretty cheap. I make it before I go to school for football weight lifting so its ready the second i get back. I add a scoop of peanut butter and it is something I would drink for the sole purpose that it taste good let alone how good it is for you. For lifting mostly only Tuesdays and Thursdays, it gets you through the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/cn/ultra.htmlLove this stuff, works great and is pretty cheap. I make it before I go to school for football weight lifting so its ready the second i get back. I add a scoop of peanut butter and it is something I would drink for the sole purpose that it taste good let alone how good it is for you. For lifting mostly only Tuesdays and Thursdays, it gets you through the week. Are the results really that much better than with just protein or even protein + creatine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Are the results really that much better than with just protein or even protein + creatine? I'm not sure of what your saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 it looks like whey, casein, vitamins, and a couple other things so it's cool, but it's not all that different from 33% of the other protein supplements on the market. kind of like metabolic drive or even GNC's 24 hour protein complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 All I know is it keeps me feeling fresh(er) then I would be without it. I don't know how much if, if at all, it is at building muscle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 protein is necessary to build muscle. um. have you used a protein blend in conjunction with a multivitamin before, or is this your first Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nah this is the first. It was under advice of a strength and agility trainer. I know that protein is needed to build muscle, I meant how much this helps in addition to my regular diet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 your regular diet probably doesn't include nearly enough protein to put on serious muscle, so i would imagine it's probably helping a lot. and if it tastes good, you'll probably keep drinking them, which is great. it looks like a solid enough supplement - just a bit expensive maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 I'm a big peanut butter guy so I try and keep that in my diet daily for lunch if possible. Otherwise a turkey sandwich is a good bet for lunch. Breakfast is normally a bagel and a granola bar. Pasta is popular at my house along with chicken for dinner. So yeah, those 41 grams of protein are pretty important on lifting days. Thanks for the advice. I heard some things things about creatine. I don't think I would ever use that kind of stuff because I only lift for football and hockey basically. Anyway, I've heard nothing but bad things such as, it kills your kidneys. Its all water-weight; when you stop using it, you lose most muscle. And some of the side effects are bad as or worse than roids in some cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 4, 2009 Author Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) that's all pretty much bullsh!t. as far as i know, there are zero studies that demonstrate any long term adverse side effects from creatine supplementation, and it's actually used in the treatment of a number of ailments. processing creatine into creatinine will not wreck your kidneys - it happens every time you eat meat. also a lot of the visible gains from creatine are caused by water absorption into skeletal muscle. that is absolutely true, and it's not a permanent thing. but what creatine supplementation causes in addition to this is a demonstrable increase in burst power. you'll be able to lift a little bit more, or get an extra rep or two in. that will lead to actual gains in muscle hypertrophy - something that will last as long as you keep lifting. edit: the only adverse side effect i've ever experienced or ever heard someone experiencing on creatine would be stomach cramps if you don't drink enough water with it. you can get some pretty terrible cramps, actually. Edited April 4, 2009 by Nature's Minister Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted April 4, 2009 Share Posted April 4, 2009 that's all pretty much bullsh!t. as far as i know, there are zero studies that demonstrate any long term adverse side effects from creatine supplementation, and it's actually used in the treatment of a number of ailments. processing creatine into creatinine will not wreck your kidneys - it happens every time you eat meat.also a lot of the visible gains from creatine are caused by water absorption into skeletal muscle. that is absolutely true, and it's not a permanent thing. but what creatine supplementation causes in addition to this is a demonstrable increase in burst power. you'll be able to lift a little bit more, or get an extra rep or two in. that will lead to actual gains in muscle hypertrophy - something that will last as long as you keep lifting. edit: the only adverse side effect i've ever experienced or ever heard someone experiencing on creatine would be stomach cramps if you don't drink enough water with it. you can get some pretty terrible cramps, actually. That's pretty much what I've read about creatine too. I've also read that the extra water in your skeletal muscle helps with your recovery time. I've been taking it on and off for a few months now along with protein (I heard it's better to cycle on and off than to just use creatine all the time). I definitely notice a difference both in how I look and in my ability to lift more at the gym. When I stop taking creatine, I don't get any weaker but I definitely don't increase the amount I'm able to lift nearly as quickly. I've never had any problems with cramping. I usually drink at least a liter of water during my workout and another liter afterwards along with whatever I drink throughout the day. lol, do you take creatine? And have you also heard that it's better to cycle on and off with it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 i take creatine, but i take it all the time. i don't see any point in cycling off of it. it's cheap and it's not like it loses any efficacy that i know of. and stomach cramps are from my personal experience. i used the um amplified creatine 189 pill stuff for a while, and one time i took four pills within an hour and forgot to really drink much water at all it was like horrible gas. when you're using creatine monohydrate, you need basically a big glass of water and a half glass or so of grape juice, so it's not quite as easy to have your water intake stunted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 Thanks for the tip. It is the monohydrate that I'm taking (the unflavored stuff mixed in with my post-workout protein shake). Does the grape juice help your body absorb the water instead of just passing so much of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 6, 2009 Author Share Posted April 6, 2009 Thanks for the tip. It is the monohydrate that I'm taking (the unflavored stuff mixed in with my post-workout protein shake). Does the grape juice help your body absorb the water instead of just passing so much of it? warm water and something to spike your insulin are necessary for optimum creatine uptake that's why all the overpriced creatine mixes contain like 40 grams of sugar. if you don't like grape juice, gummi bears are pretty effective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted April 6, 2009 Share Posted April 6, 2009 warm water and something to spike your insulin are necessary for optimum creatine uptakethat's why all the overpriced creatine mixes contain like 40 grams of sugar. if you don't like grape juice, gummi bears are pretty effective. Ah OK, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 insulin spiking also increases protein absorption so you should do it after an intense workout, about twenty minutes before drinking a protein shake anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 insulin spiking also increases protein absorption so you should do it after an intense workout, about twenty minutes before drinking a protein shake anyway OK, so what's the proper timeframe for taking supplements? I've been doing the protein shake right before leaving for the gym, then protein + creatine immediately afterwards. Should I drink some juice about 20 minutes before the pre-workout shake and then maybe creatine + juice after the workout with protein 20 minutes later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 8, 2009 Author Share Posted April 8, 2009 drink the shake pre workout whenever. maybe five minutes before the workout just to let it sit for a second. the second shake, after your glycogen stores have been depleted, needs to be preceded by something sugary. you won't gain fat while your body is still scrambling to replenish its reserves, so you can safely cause the spike. 20 minutes between end of workout and drinking the shake is reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaneykoIsGod Posted April 8, 2009 Share Posted April 8, 2009 Awesome ... thanks for the tips, man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nature's Minister Posted April 9, 2009 Author Share Posted April 9, 2009 Awesome ... thanks for the tips, man! no prob bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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