Triumph Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I know, I know, we have too many forwards already.. and I think Georges is an LW, which doesn't help matters, but.. according to AP he's been a healthy scratch the last two games. Now I've always thought this guy was one of the top 5 enforcers in the game, he's an excellent fighter and a good physical player, as well as having some goal scoring talent. Is there any way we could get him on the team? I'd deal Berglund for him, throw in a 5th too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I don't know why Edmonton would let him go... he really is the best all-around enforcer in the game in my opinion -- he rivals Brashear in that aspect. Not to mention he's a fan favorite... but that's never stopped Edmonton before. Maybe he's been a scratch because Edmonton is working a deal with Laraque and Comrie to...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Well, I don't know about the first night, but last night I just think Edmonton wanted speed to counter speed against Ottawa. Ottawa isn't the roughest-toughest team in the league... even their big guys are much of fighters. Chris Niel is their enforcer and I didn't see him out there last night... he may well have been, but it wasn't the kind of game you would notice him in. As it turned out, there wasn't much going on physically... and the Oilers got the tie, so maybe it was a good call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'7' Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 naah, berglund is better. And we can have enforcers by committee here, no need for Laraque. I hear Sean Brown can play wing, and he can fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westcoastdevfan Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Sean Brown....playing....hey now that's an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I'm with you Triumph.....I'd trade Berglund for Laraque, and I like Berglund. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 7, 2003 Author Share Posted November 7, 2003 Speed to counter speed? Doesn't make much sense to me, Don. It's not like Laraque can't play against the Senators.. and the way to get the Senators (read: Rachunek) to cough up the puck is to play them physically. But I'm not saying Laraque is out of favor in Edmonton and I don't see them dealing him for Berglund or for, say, a 2nd round pick. Enforcer by committee? That's not really the point; we already had that when McKenzie was here. While Marshall and Stevenson and Brown are decent fighters, they're not very good, and you don't want a defensive enforcer because losing that guy for 5 minutes affects all your other defensive pairings. Brown on the wing? Come on, ^7^, that's like putting Albelin on the wing. Sure, he can play wing, but he's not going to do anything there. It was an experiment that came out of Boston having too many defensemen. Laraque has gotten 30 points in a season and has had some decent playoff performances. And once again, ^7^, you confuse things by comparing two players in a way they shouldn't be compared. Berglund is more talented, but he's one of the worst 2nd line wings in the league. Laraque is one of the best 4th liners. I guess the forechecking line for the Devils has been working so well that we wouldn't need a trade, but this team still needs size and toughness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brylin18 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 getting laraque is an excellent idea. imagine him and stevenson on the same line....they'd be uncontrollable. but dealing berglund for him only worsens the roster situation. two out of rupp, rasmussen, marshall, or stevenson would have to sit every game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 Why hasn't Brown played? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weekes Head Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 IMO Brown has been outplayed by the other available defensemen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JesterDevil Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 getting laraque is an excellent idea. imagine him and stevenson on the same line....they'd be uncontrollable. but dealing berglund for him only worsens the roster situation. two out of rupp, rasmussen, marshall, or stevenson would have to sit every game. I'd gladly trade Marshall and a late (4th or 5th) rounder for him. Marsh is -4 on the season 0 goals 0 assist and has been demoted to 4th line. Marsh is the only one I'd be willing to give up right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devildude Posted November 7, 2003 Share Posted November 7, 2003 I would not mind Laraque... He would be a great addition to our fourth line, but i dont think it will happen. Berglund is a good player and Lou is not going to let him go unless the deal is a wow deal that only Lou would pull off when we least expect it.. And Still... I pray... LET BROWN PLAY!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DW666 Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 I think Laraque is still recovering from a broken hand. I'd like to see him here, but I severly doubt that would happen. We have Rob Skrlac in the minors, he's capable of being a team's #1 enforcer. I don't see why we can't play him when scrubs like Rasmussan, Marshall(don't get me wrong, I like Grant, but he's getting old, and isn't playing well), & Berglund play. Sean Brown on the other hand, although willing, is a punching bag to top heavyweights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 The parrots speak....The game I just say Berglund was fairly impressive. Rasmussen was just plain horrible. Him and Marshall have been horrible all year so far, so much for the Marshall on Elias line plan. If I were going to make a deal with edmonton it would look like this. Rasmussen, Friesen, 2nd for Comrie and Laraque. I don't know how close the value is but this would only be done if Berezin was signed. Comrie could play with Elias and Gomez on a line with Berezin. Elias - Comrie - Gionta Berezin - Gomez - Brylin Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner Stevenson - Rupp - Laraque (HAHAHAHAHA) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 The parrots speak....The game I just say Berglund was fairly impressive. Rasmussen was just plain horrible. Him and Marshall have been horrible all year so far, so much for the Marshall on Elias line plan. If I were going to make a deal with edmonton it would look like this.Rasmussen, Friesen, 2nd for Comrie and Laraque. I don't know how close the value is but this would only be done if Berezin was signed. Comrie could play with Elias and Gomez on a line with Berezin. Elias - Comrie - Gionta Berezin - Gomez - Brylin Pandolfo - Madden - Langenbrunner Stevenson - Rupp - Laraque (HAHAHAHAHA) written like a true wet-behind-the-ears neophyte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 8, 2003 Author Share Posted November 8, 2003 Elias-Comrie-Gionta? Teams wouldn't need a defense to stop that line, they'd need a fly swatter. Marshall's been injured, which is why this plan hasn't worked out. In the end, he belongs there more than any other Devil. The Devs will have to replace him if they want to deal him. I wouldn't count him out. I see we've returned to our actuarial mindset by dealing Friesen, a player who not only doesn't merit being dealt, but is one of our best players. And Sergei Berezin in a Devils uniform.. no. Just, no. And where does Larionov go? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Jason, Trade Friesen, what are you off your rocker? The guy was really good in the playoffs his FIRST year here and you're ready to trade him for Comrie? If you were the GM, the team would quit on you if you made that deal. Geeeeeeeeeez. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Larionov, Stevenson, Laraque, Marshall will all switch every couple of games liek NJ is doing now. Comrie is basicly the same size as Gomez, an inch in the difference adn 10 pounds. The line would change to much exceot for the fact Comrie is a good goal scorer. Friesen would have to go becasue Comrie does hold fairly good value, I like Firesen but that one year ontract leads me to think he will be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 You have to give something up to get Comrie and IMO you can't get half of what you want out of Friesen, the guy just won't use his speed, if he did he would be a 70 point player every year. Edmonton would love to get their hands on Friesen also. We do get Laraque also, the enforcer we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Jason, but why does Comrie deserve to be here more than Friesen? I'm sorry, I see the point you're trying to make, but it's generally not a great idea to trade playoff heroes. Pretty standard stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 It is only a proposal, nothing to get worked up about, I was just thinking of the NYpost rumor and "if" it does come true, what LW will go. I would rather Elias over Friesen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 8, 2003 Author Share Posted November 8, 2003 Half of what you want? We already got twice of what we wanted! The guy scored 10 playoff goals! And not only that, but a majority of them were in the later rounds! Yes, Friesen is streaky, and yeah, he doesn't have the hockey mind to score 70 points, but who cares? All that matters is that he brings his game every night and plays well in the playoffs. Comrie might be the same size as Gomez, but he plays a far softer game. Once again, numbers tell less than half the story. Friesen's one year contract is a result of the impending CBA explosion and nothing else. He could've held out for more cash, but didn't, because he knew Lou would want to lock him up long term. With his relatively advanced age (I believe he's what, 28?), he just may be UFA after the upcoming unpleasantness. It's nice to view hockey as a grid of statistics and facts, without taking into account intangibles. Might even be nice to view life that way. But a good predictor takes into account far more things than just numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Jason, but why does Comrie deserve to be here more than Friesen? I'm sorry, I see the point you're trying to make, but it's generally not a great idea to trade playoff heroes. Pretty standard stuff. I'm not saying he does, Triumph made a silly little rumor so I added to it. There is no way Edmonton would trade Laraque, he is a fan favorite there and is a big part of their 4th line(best in the league) Isbister - Torres - Laraque, thas what it was a week ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Jason I guess you figued Claude should have been dealt too after '95 because his regular season was a dissapointment You just don't trade proven playoff performers. And didn't Friesen lead the team in plus-minus last year too? Yeah, he's a real underachiever. And the one-year contract I take as more of a sign of the impending lockout than any hesitancy from Lou to lock him up long-term (not that he has to at this point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jas0nMacIsaac Posted November 8, 2003 Share Posted November 8, 2003 Half of what you want?We already got twice of what we wanted! The guy scored 10 playoff goals! And not only that, but a majority of them were in the later rounds! Yes, Friesen is streaky, and yeah, he doesn't have the hockey mind to score 70 points, but who cares? All that matters is that he brings his game every night and plays well in the playoffs. Comrie might be the same size as Gomez, but he plays a far softer game. Once again, numbers tell less than half the story. Friesen's one year contract is a result of the impending CBA explosion and nothing else. He could've held out for more cash, but didn't, because he knew Lou would want to lock him up long term. With his relatively advanced age (I believe he's what, 28?), he just may be UFA after the upcoming unpleasantness. It's nice to view hockey as a grid of statistics and facts, without taking into account intangibles. Might even be nice to view life that way. But a good predictor takes into account far more things than just numbers. You know it and I know it, Friesen is the most streaky play on the team. 1/3 the time he uses his legs and when he does he scores. I am not saying that he needed to be traded but I was just basing this proposal on the Berezin rumor and that would mean either Stevenson(no value and good), Pandolfo(no value), Friesen(lots of trade value) or Elias(not going anywhere yet) would be traded. Comrie is a good young player and can score plenty of goals, what NJ needs and it would take either Friesen or Elias to get him. Friesen is the odd man out. Don't make anything out of this proposal, I didn't realize it is this much of a crime around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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