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Poll: Lockout 2012-2013 (Hockey's back!) (130 member(s) have cast votes)

When will we see hockey?

  1. Oct 12 (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Nov 12 (19 votes [14.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.62%

  3. Dec 12 (26 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Jan 13 (33 votes [25.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.38%

  5. Feb 13 (1 votes [0.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.77%

  6. Mar 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  7. Apr 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

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  8. Oct 13 (14 votes [10.77%])

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  9. Never (27 votes [20.77%])

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#1281 Mayday

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:40 PM

Daly:

"In light of media reports this morning, I can confirm that we delivered to the Union a new, comprehensive proposal for a successor CBA late yesterday afternoon. We are not prepared to discuss the details of our proposal at this time. We are hopeful that once the Union's staff and negotiating committee have had an opportunity to thoroughly review and consider our new proposal, they will share it with the players. We want to be back on the ice as soon as possible."


its going to go like this...
NHLPA: "Okay, we like to have a discussion on-"
Bettman and co."We out mother******!"
...season cancelled
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:42 PM

Daly:


its going to go like this...
NHLPA: "Okay, we like to have a discussion on-"
Bettman and co."We out mother******!"
...season cancelled


More like
Fehr: we'd like to talk abo--
Bettman: "THIS IS HORSESH--
*owners tap Bettman on the shoulder*
Bettman: ...horseshoeingly and very much a good place to start.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:27 PM

interesting part of the new NHL proposal:

• Implementation of a weighted Draft Lottery in which all non-Playoff teams compete
for opportunity to choose first overall in the annual Draft.
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#1284 MadDog2020

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:39 PM

interesting part of the new NHL proposal:

• Implementation of a weighted Draft Lottery in which all non-Playoff teams compete
for opportunity to choose first overall in the annual Draft.

. What exactly makes that interesting? There's been a lottery for years.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:45 PM

. What exactly makes that interesting? There's been a lottery for years.


Currently you can only move up 3 spots, it sounds like now whomever wins the draft lottery gets the first pick. More like NBA style draft lottery.

Devils missed out on drafting first overall if the NBA system had been in place.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:46 PM

. What exactly makes that interesting? There's been a lottery for years.


All non play-off teams. Plus, you can only move up so many places under the current (past) system.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:47 PM

. What exactly makes that interesting? There's been a lottery for years.

EDIT: Beaten to it.

Edited by devilsfan26, 28 December 2012 - 01:47 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:55 PM

That plus it means it wouldnt be the same sh!tty teams getting rewarded years after years ala pittsburgh/edmonton
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:59 PM

Currently you can only move up 3 spots, it sounds like now whomever wins the draft lottery gets the first pick. More like NBA style draft lottery.

Devils missed out on drafting first overall if the NBA system had been in place.


Yeah, had we gone first overall we have gotten Larsson :P
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:02 PM

i just gave my new jersey in for josefson lettering, so season should begin on the 19th, i'm sorry i took so long to get it done guys.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:04 PM

Yeah, had we gone first overall we have gotten Larsson :P


only time will tell but at this very moment i'm taking RNH for sure if i had the choice
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:08 PM

Currently you can only move up 3 spots, it sounds like now whomever wins the draft lottery gets the first pick. More like NBA style draft lottery.

Devils missed out on drafting first overall if the NBA system had been in place.

. Got it- makes sense now. Thanks 731.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:40 PM

only time will tell but at this very moment i'm taking RNH for sure if i had the choice

RNH has the body of a teenage girl and has already gotten hurt once. And let's not forget defensemen take longer to develop
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:57 PM

Pretend? I think Fehr wants to blow up the season and take on the NHL in court. This is not a 'win' for the baddest union head on the planet. Especially since he hasn't gone anywhere near 50-50 yet and the owners haven't budged on that (the PA offers include so much money outside the system the paper percentages are meaningless).

I don't think the PA wants to detonate the nuclear bomb but hopefully they've also made it known to Fehr that another lost season is unacceptable. I do worry they gave him too much power to get him to come out of retirement and he'll still drive the bus off the cliff.


Yes - remember when Fehr lost a season for the MLBPA? Oh wait - he lost 6 weeks of a season and the playoffs, plus a bit from 1995. This guy has been in this game for 25 years, you think he doesn't understand that missing paychecks sucks for players?

I agree that someone who got the ball rolling on a disclaimer of interest 2 months into the lockout is someone who sure looks like he's readying the troops to go to court. GMAFB. If the NHL throws in more make whole money they'll have a deal off this framework.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:12 PM

Yes - remember when Fehr lost a season for the MLBPA? Oh wait - he lost 6 weeks of a season and the playoffs, plus a bit from 1995. This guy has been in this game for 25 years, you think he doesn't understand that missing paychecks sucks for players?

I agree that someone who got the ball rolling on a disclaimer of interest 2 months into the lockout is someone who sure looks like he's readying the troops to go to court. GMAFB. If the NHL throws in more make whole money they'll have a deal off this framework.


And you don't think waiting to file a DOI is as much an attempt to look good for court as anything else? After the other PA's filed quickly and lost in court?

If Fehr wants a deal, let's see him negotiate off this framework. No more games, trying to get 55% under the table, shifting the goalposts...they need to negotiate off this deal and not their own fantasy of a deal. They have basically two weeks left, the NHL finally gave Fehr a drop dead date. Let's see a real negotiation now instead of PR bs like that 'we're close' press conference.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 28 December 2012 - 03:21 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 03:33 PM

And you don't think waiting to file a DOI is as much an attempt to look good for court as anything else? After the other PA's filed quickly and lost in court?


No, not at all. The NBAPA and NFLPA still gained off their disclaimers, I don't believe they pursued it very far until a deal came. The NHL is not willing to risk this battle in court over what are effectively pennies. Too much of the NHLPA wants a deal now. Fehr is not Goodenow - he is listening to the entire union.

If Fehr wants a deal, let's see him negotiate off this framework. No more games, trying to get 55% under the table, shifting the goalposts...they need to negotiate off this deal and not their own fantasy of a deal. They have basically two weeks left, the NHL finally gave Fehr a drop dead date. Let's see a real negotiation now instead of PR bs like that 'we're close' press conference.


They are close. Tangotiger made this point - this offer barely moves off the other one. So if they weren't close, why is this one so similar to the last one?

Edited by Triumph, 28 December 2012 - 03:36 PM.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

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Looks like this weekend could very well decide if their is a season or not.
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Posted 28 December 2012 - 11:30 PM

Any optimism is already brig destroyed as I keep reading posts and rumors that players think this deal is not much.

Don Fehr will tell them to hold out for more like he always does. Guy has no stake at all in this and he disgusts me as much as Bettman
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Posted 29 December 2012 - 05:52 AM

Of course they're going to hold out until 11:59 on January 10, that's where this script has been heading for months :lol: They have no reason not to at this point, can't lose another paycheck anyway unless the season officially gets canceled.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 29 December 2012 - 05:53 AM.

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Posted 29 December 2012 - 09:59 AM

Of course they're going to hold out until 11:59 on January 10, that's where this script has been heading for months :lol: They have no reason not to at this point, can't lose another paycheck anyway unless the season officially gets canceled.


Especially since somehow every final offer and every take it or leave it offer has gotten better with time. I don't believe that deadline either. If the NHL hadn't established itself as being a completely untrustworthy negotiator, we wouldn't be in this position.

Remember when Make Whole was off the table? Ooh boy - that was a rough week for the union.

Edited by Triumph, 29 December 2012 - 10:00 AM.

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