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Posted 08 October 2012 - 10:31 AM

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:29 AM

Bias aside, am I the only person who thinks the Rags got worse by getting Nash? Anisimov and Dubinsky played Torts' system to a T. Look at Dubinsky for instance. Anyone with eyes could tell that he gave his line, and team, tons of energy games 5 and 6. And is Rick Nash really going to be happy about throwing himself in front of pucks when he had zero defensive responsibility in CBJ? Me thinks not
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:35 AM

Rick Nash is gonna help the Rangers top 6 but their bottom 6 is brutal, the reason why we beat them in the Playoffs is because after their top 6 we just had them beat in depth, clearly the Rangers didn't see that when our 4th line was taking them to town.

EDIT: Not to mention they still only have 5 defensemen.

Edited by parisebrandon1994, 08 October 2012 - 11:37 AM.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:42 AM

Bias aside, am I the only person who thinks the Rags got worse by getting Nash? Anisimov and Dubinsky played Torts' system to a T. Look at Dubinsky for instance. Anyone with eyes could tell that he gave his line, and team, tons of energy games 5 and 6. And is Rick Nash really going to be happy about throwing himself in front of pucks when he had zero defensive responsibility in CBJ? Me thinks not

I agree, let us not forget that Fedotenko, Prust, and John Mitchell also played torts system to a T and they are all gone. Lets see how Nash, Halpern, Pyatt, and Asham adapt to his game.

Edited by Zubie#8, 08 October 2012 - 11:44 AM.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:46 AM

Rick Nash is gonna help the Rangers top 6 but their bottom 6 is brutal, the reason why we beat them in the Playoffs is because after their top 6 we just had them beat in depth, clearly the Rangers didn't see that when our 4th line was taking them to town.

EDIT: Not to mention they still only have 5 defensemen.


I've said it before they remind me alot of the Devils after the first lockout in where they are a good playoff team but to have them win the division they have to be in their top gear all season and ride their goalie. The problem with that is everyone else aren't playing at their top gear in the regular season all the time but they will in the playoffs so they have no extra level to go to. See how they struggled in the round 1 and 2.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:51 AM

The time between free agency and the beginning of the season is when the Rangers are traditionally at their best
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

The time between free agency and the beginning of the season is when the Rangers are traditionally at their best


I see what you did there :giggle:
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 03:53 PM

Apparently we were 5th in the power rankings two weeks ago and 20th now. Amazing how that works in the middle of a lockout. Only ESPN :rolleyes:
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

Rangers success ultimately depends on Lunqvist. Depending so heavily on a goalie that's getting up there in years is a dangerous proposition.

They could be very much like Tampa. A lot of firepower up front, but a bare bottom six. Also very top heavy on defense.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:06 PM

How does 1 player's departure make a team that was 2 wins away from a Stanley Cup a near-bottom-feeder club? These simplistic, reputation-driven rankings annoy me because no real thought is put into them. Its purely based on fantasy.

Douchebag was a good player for us but lets not get carried away thinking he was elite and the single-factor our team was terrific. The guy had the C just to give him extra incentive to re-sign. He couldnt score beyond 20 feet out, and he was invisible many a playoff rounds during his time here. Our out-of-this-world second half run two years was done quite easily without him. That said, his subtraction from the roster is obviously still a definite minus. But, how about these analysts do their jobs and look at the potential additions?

Additions:
1.Full season of Zajac
2. Second season under DeBoer, with most players not needing time to integrate into his system
3. Development from Henrique
4. Development from Josefson
5. Development from Larsson
6. Possible emergence of Tedenby, Butler

When you minus Douchebag and add these pluses (even if you only add two of them), how does that take a near Stanley Cup Champion into the #20 team in the NHL? Its nonsense.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 08:27 PM

He couldnt score beyond 20 5 feet out

Fixed.

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Posted 08 October 2012 - 09:41 PM

I'm really hoping that Minnesota fans are expecting this elite, dynamic, clutch goal scorer and entirely disappointed that this guy chokes in the most critical points of the game. We could have gotten quite a few more wins last season if Zach wasn't constantly choking on glorious chances, Kovy is the real leader on this team and no way in hell does losing Parise make us a bottom 10 team in the league, it's quite sad that that's the image that's out there of our team right now. I can't wait for our boys to once again shut up all of the haters.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:51 PM

I'm really hoping that Minnesota fans are expecting this elite, dynamic, clutch goal scorer and entirely disappointed that this guy chokes in the most critical points of the game. We could have gotten quite a few more wins last season if Zach wasn't constantly choking on glorious chances, Kovy is the real leader on this team and no way in hell does losing Parise make us a bottom 10 team in the league, it's quite sad that that's the image that's out there of our team right now. I can't wait for our boys to once again shut up all of the haters.


Should there be a season this year I am actually really optimistic. Just on the whole historical side of things I think we should be OK. Whenever ESPN or other analysist knock the team down - they manage to exceed all expectations & as I mentioned before the Devils were the last team to win a Stanley Cup during a shortened NHL season. Call me supersitious when it comes to stuff like that but I think we are in for a real treat this year. The whole "doom & gloom, basement dweller" predictions have been coming for years and they always manage to shut every last hater up.
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Posted 08 October 2012 - 11:53 PM

When Zajac fully returned this team reached its potential. I am not worried without Parise.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 06:47 AM

I'm really hoping that Minnesota fans are expecting this elite, dynamic, clutch goal scorer and entirely disappointed that this guy chokes in the most critical points of the game. We could have gotten quite a few more wins last season if Zach wasn't constantly choking on glorious chances, Kovy is the real leader on this team and no way in hell does losing Parise make us a bottom 10 team in the league, it's quite sad that that's the image that's out there of our team right now. I can't wait for our boys to once again shut up all of the haters.


And I'm sure you'd be saying this if he had re-signed with the Devils, that he's some choker.

It's OK if you now hate the guy because he spurned the Devils for another team, but he's not some unclutch scrub. He scored some big goals while he was here. And the Devils put up 102 points (tied for 4th in the Eastern Conference)...how many more points should they have put up? They didn't even really hit their stride until December...they went 36-16-5 from December 6 on, after starting 12-12-1 and looking like a team that was clearly adjusting to a new coach.

That being said, I'm glad the Devils didn't bring back Parise at that price...he's simply not worth that kind of money. I think the Devils already got his best, and at a great price tag to boot.

I do agree that it seemed like this became Kovy's team last season, even with Parise wearing the C.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 07:10 AM

im still worried about losing Zach tho... rewatching a bunch of replays and highlights, especially on most Henrique's goals... Zach was working so fvcking hard to get the puck in the offensive zone. I'd like to be in denial and im not saying that the team is fvcked but missing Zach is a big hole to fill especially on the forecheck and on the PK (which was a big last season)
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 09:34 AM

And I'm sure you'd be saying this if he had re-signed with the Devils, that he's some choker.

ive been saying that for at least the past two years. Zach has absolutely no wrist/slap shot. He is definitely the hardest working player, but as far as having the most pure talent on the team, he doesnt even crack the top 3. The biggest goal he ever scored wasnt even in a devils sweater. As far as big playoff goals, how many did he actually score? 2? At most

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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:20 AM

ive been saying that for at least the past two years. Zach has absolutely no wrist/slap shot. He is definitely the hardest working player, but as far as having the most pure talent on the team, he doesnt even crack the top 3. The biggest goal he ever scored wasnt even in a devils sweater. As far as big playoff goals, how many did he actually score? 2? At most


He did create a lot of plays and was excellent on the forecheck and that will certainly be missed.

This is certainly one of the larger losses of talent the Devils have ever have to endure but they always seem to find their way out of these. It sucks but remember we still have Kovy, Henrique (who is turning into a much bigger clutch scorer than Parise), Elias (who seems to defy his age) as well as the continued development of Larsson as well as others in the pipeline. It will sting for a little bit but far from a mortal wound.
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 10:41 AM

He did create a lot of plays and was excellent on the forecheck and that will certainly be missed.

This is certainly one of the larger losses of talent the Devils have ever have to endure but they always seem to find their way out of these. It sucks but remember we still have Kovy, Henrique (who is turning into a much bigger clutch scorer than Parise), Elias (who seems to defy his age) as well as the continued development of Larsson as well as others in the pipeline. It will sting for a little bit but far from a mortal wound.

It is definitely a loss, and we still have to fill the hole in our top 6 cause of his departure. I was just saying that parise is not all hes cracked up to be. He has never been a "clutch" player, at least in a devils sweater. Also he was paid like an elite player. Hes going to be compared to the others now. And zach parise shouldnt even be in the same category as malkin, crosby, kovy, stamkos, etc
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Posted 09 October 2012 - 11:47 AM

It is definitely a loss, and we still have to fill the hole in our top 6 cause of his departure. I was just saying that parise is not all hes cracked up to be. He has never been a "clutch" player, at least in a devils sweater. Also he was paid like an elite player. Hes going to be compared to the others now. And zach parise shouldnt even be in the same category as malkin, crosby, kovy, stamkos, etc


I was never making him out to be too much, as far as being among the very elite, but let's face it, guys who score 30+ goals year after year like Parise did don't exactly come through the Devils' system often. You can say that most of them didn't come in "clutch" situations, but I do remember him getting important goals here and there. His playoff numbers are kinda meh, but not awful by any stretch.

But yeah, as soon as I heard what he's getting paid, it was a no-brainer...he will never live up to that deal...it's a superstar contract for a guy who isn't one. He's good to vey good but clearly not great. Can't blame him for signing that deal, and I can't blame the Devils for not going there, though I guess it came down to more Zach having a chance to go home and the Wild having the money to make it happen. Whatever, he was a good player for the Devils and was a great value for what he got paid while he was here.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 09 October 2012 - 11:47 AM.

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