MadDog2020 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Since we will presumably be looking for a new head coach in a couple of weeks, I thought I'd post this article and get some discussion going on who our next bench boss may be: http://m.thn.com/blog/top-five-potential-free-agent-nhl-coaches-this-summer/ I think Tippett would be my top choice (assuming Babcock isn't in play for us) if he's let go by Arizona. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Babcock, Bylsma, McLellan would be my top 3. I'd take Julien back but Lou would most certainly need to be gone for that to happen, and we all know senile Uncle Fester has immunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I assume that if Babcock is going anywhere it would be for the dump truck of cash that Toronto would throw on his front yard. So barring that, I'd agree with you on Tippett. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I want no part of Bylsma on this team. Look at what he did with one of the most stacked teams in the league for several years and it's hard to feel all that positive about what he'd bring here. 1. Tippett 2. McLellan 3. Guy Boucher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I want no part of Bylsma on this team. Look at what he did with one of the most stacked teams in the league for several years and it's hard to feel all that positive about what he'd bring here. 1. Tippett 2. McLellan 3. Guy Boucher Even if you assume the Cup year was a fluke, the Penguins always had 100 point seasons under Bylsma, and they did that in seasons where Crosby missed a lot of time. Poor goaltending is what doomed them in the playoffs, and I don't see what that has to do with the coach. That said though, Bylsma's success came very much from having a talented roster, even when it doesn't have Crosby. On the other hand, Pittisburgh seems to be worse without him even with slightly better goaltending this year as opposed to when he was the coach, so maybe there is some there there. Long story short, I could live with him as the coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I want no part of Bylsma on this team. Look at what he did with one of the most stacked teams in the league for several years and it's hard to feel all that positive about what he'd bring here. 1. Tippett 2. McLellan 3. Guy Boucher Bylsma might not be perfect, but he did a damn good job in Pittsburgh which included a Stanley Cup and no less than 47 wins in any full-season. The team was far from stacked, and Fleury was absolutely awful in 2 or 3 of those playoff seasons. I have trouble picturing Lou going anywhere other than the current bench right now. He wants any new head coach to follow a specific framework...one that's already in place right now. Scott Stevens left the organization because he felt his voice wasn't heard. What if a new coach doesn't like Stevens' system? Does Stevens leave again? We know Lou thinks extremely highly of Scott, so my theory is him back running a defensive system that he wants with Oates as head coach. Similar structure as is right now, with Oates having final roster decisions and the title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagknife Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Bylsma might not be perfect, but he did a damn good job in Pittsburgh which included a Stanley Cup and no less than 47 wins in any full-season. The team was far from stacked, and Fleury was absolutely awful in 2 or 3 of those playoff seasons. I have trouble picturing Lou going anywhere other than the current bench right now. He wants any new head coach to follow a specific framework...one that's already in place right now. Scott Stevens left the organization because he felt his voice wasn't heard. What if a new coach doesn't like Stevens' system? Does Stevens leave again? We know Lou thinks extremely highly of Scott, so my theory is him back running a defensive system that he wants with Oates as head coach. Similar structure as is right now, with Oates having final roster decisions and the title. I hope you're wrong, I really do. To me, Oates is not a head coach, but a decent assistant. However, I agree with you that it seems to be the most likely scenario as Lou, like you said, wants things his way, which sadly has rapidly become the wrong way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Bylsma might not be perfect, but he did a damn good job in Pittsburgh which included a Stanley Cup and no less than 47 wins in any full-season. The team was far from stacked, and Fleury was absolutely awful in 2 or 3 of those playoff seasons. I have trouble picturing Lou going anywhere other than the current bench right now. He wants any new head coach to follow a specific framework...one that's already in place right now. Scott Stevens left the organization because he felt his voice wasn't heard. What if a new coach doesn't like Stevens' system? Does Stevens leave again? We know Lou thinks extremely highly of Scott, so my theory is him back running a defensive system that he wants with Oates as head coach. Similar structure as is right now, with Oates having final roster decisions and the title. I'll be leading a huge riot outside the Rock should this sh!t storm of a scenario occur... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 How can Lou attract a top coach if he mandates oates and/or stevens stays...thats woody johnson-ish. Heck How can lou get a top coach if he demands the devils system stay in place? no one wants to be micro-managed btw, get the hell off the sidelines LOU, enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) Lou will only tolerate coaches and players who "fit the system", meaning his system. If it means him taking control of the ship and running it aground to maintain that order, so be it. That's his philosophy. No player or coach will bring new ideas to the organization and change what Lou set in place in the early 90's. Not unless he's gone. And by all accounts, he ain't going anywhere. And when he does, he'll appoint his son successor and around and around we go. These owners won't step in to implement change. They're completely hands-off. Edited March 30, 2015 by slasher72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titans04 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 How can Lou attract a top coach if he mandates oates and/or stevens stays...thats woody johnson-ish. Heck How can lou get a top coach if he demands the devils system stay in place? no one wants to be micro-managed btw, get the hell off the sidelines LOU, enough! My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ Eco Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Even if you assume the Cup year was a fluke, the Penguins always had 100 point seasons under Bylsma, and they did that in seasons where Crosby missed a lot of time. Poor goaltending is what doomed them in the playoffs, and I don't see what that has to do with the coach. That said though, Bylsma's success came very much from having a talented roster, even when it doesn't have Crosby. On the other hand, Pittisburgh seems to be worse without him even with slightly better goaltending this year as opposed to when he was the coach, so maybe there is some there there. Long story short, I could live with him as the coach. The same could be said about Brent Sutter and Claude Julien (minus the Cup win in year one) with worse teams. 100+ point seasons and then an early playoff collapse; and we got rid of them fast. That Bylsma couldn't win more than the one Cup in year one with the tools he had at his disposal every season (uh... two of the top 5 best players in the world) is a bit troubling. My view on how he'd do with the complete sh!t we call the Devils roster has always been dubious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The same could be said about Brent Sutter and Claude Julien (minus the Cup win in year one) with worse teams. 100+ point seasons and then an early playoff collapse; and we got rid of them fast. That Bylsma couldn't win more than the one Cup in year one with the tools he had at his disposal every season (uh... two of the top 5 best players in the world) is a bit troubling. My view on how he'd do with the complete sh!t we call the Devils roster has always been dubious. Sutter and Julien are both pretty good coaches, or you could do a lot worse than those two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The Devils have almost never let coaches hire assistants. They let Jacques have Mario Tremblay in 2009, that's about all I can remember. Otherwise assistants have usually stayed in place - MacLean was an assistant through 5 different coaches (Burns, Robinson, Lamoriello, Julien, Sutter). As such I think they will hire someone who isn't Adam Oates to be the coach next year, but that it probably won't be any of the names on this list, which is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 No one is going to agree on anything here. Everyone wants an instant gratification coach -- and then they say there is no way DeBoer could have won with such a sh!t roster. Then everyone wants an instant gratification roster addition. No matter what Lou sucks to you all. I want Scotty as head coach so I see if I'm right or not. I'd really like to be CERTAIN I (dis)agree with something he's doing, with his hockey thought process. Yes - Scotty as coach would answer many a question for me and I'd be a more contented person regardless of out come Lou's moratorium on coach communication has just brought my insight to an absolute SCREECHING halt. I haven't watched so I have no facial expressions to go on... yeah -- everything I get is totally just perception - which is one question answered and I do love being a raging nutcase. Neurotic hockey fandom makes me very happy -- most of the time. I've been assfan this year pretty much not watching. Everyone knows my cable feelings and .. I'm just busy I'm GLAD I've got a life and stuff but I do miss hockey and I miss supporting the team and ... stuff and things. but I'd really like to be telling you all about my sheep who are about to lamb and how EXCITING THAT IS! AND HOW AWESOME FARMING IS I HAD NO IDEA!!!!!!!!!!! NONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Livestock. My great grandparents and grandparents worked so hard to escape -- they must be looking down thinking what a jackass I am yeah... so... hockey... woohoo can't wait for September! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 As such I think they will hire someone who isn't Adam Oates to be the coach next year, but that it probably won't be any of the names on this list, which is fine. Yeah -- I expect Stevens won't want to be head coach yet and I'm not sure of Oates. He has so much to offer is the thing (Oates -- well, both do), but both those two seem reluctant. Like -- what's the deal even? Do they care that much what people think? Well Yeah they do -- both were that way as players. not like a Roenick or a whatshisface..whatever -- I'm tired -- but like they both are - like a Gentleman's Agreement thing as Chico would say. Anyone can fvcker around with either of their self-perception - Oates doesn't lose his cool but you know - you can't keep control of your projection as a coach like you can as a player and ... I dont know that crap wears those two out. Nothing gets to them until it does and then particularly Stevens... just DUDE! let it GO. I just so understand that comprehension of the situation yet inability to just -- like the laser focus gets side-tracked and then everyone is fvcked until he gets his sh!t together. hmeh... well actually -- that's me we're talking about here... But I like to think of Stevens as being like that. Prove me wrong Stevens! Take the head coaching job (now I imagine him like my husband "I won't be pushed hmph! now I'm going to stalk off and sulk somewhere) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) The Devils have almost never let coaches hire assistants. They let Jacques have Mario Tremblay in 2009, that's about all I can remember. Otherwise assistants have usually stayed in place - MacLean was an assistant through 5 different coaches (Burns, Robinson, Lamoriello, Julien, Sutter). As such I think they will hire someone who isn't Adam Oates to be the coach next year, but that it probably won't be any of the names on this list, which is fine. I thought Jacques hired robinson? or were they a package deal by lou Edited March 30, 2015 by EdgeControl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 People here are just naming coaches who have had recent success on other teams. I don't think anyone here has made a case for why Dave Tippet or Dan Bylsma should be the next coach, outside of "he did a damn good job with the *insert team name*." The truth is, there are many candidates for the job, and there is no reason we need to narrow the list down to household names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The same could be said about Brent Sutter and Claude Julien (minus the Cup win in year one) with worse teams. 100+ point seasons and then an early playoff collapse; and we got rid of them fast. That Bylsma couldn't win more than the one Cup in year one with the tools he had at his disposal every season (uh... two of the top 5 best players in the world) is a bit troubling. My view on how he'd do with the complete sh!t we call the Devils roster has always been dubious. This isn't basketball, so I don't think its troubling. The 2012 Penguins might have been good enough to go to the Finals, but Fleury was as bad as an NHL goalie can be for 6 games. Not saying Bylsma is an incredible coach by any means, he isn't, but I don't think there is a coach in the world that you could say for sure could get those Penguins teams to win 2 Stanley Cups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 People here are just naming coaches who have had recent success on other teams. I don't think anyone here has made a case for why Dave Tippet or Dan Bylsma should be the next coach, outside of "he did a damn good job with the *insert team name*." The truth is, there are many candidates for the job, and there is no reason we need to narrow the list down to household names. I don't think the Devils will be limiting the search to whoever gets mentioned here. In any event, I like Tippett because he has had success with rosters that are not that talented or relatively so, and also that he appears to understand the value of defenseman that aren't "stay at home" types. I don't follow Arizona all that closely, but it appears their awfulness this past year is largely a product of goaltending, which is a problem the Devils should not have next year. Do have anyone else in mind? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The Devils have almost never let coaches hire assistants. They let Jacques have Mario Tremblay in 2009, that's about all I can remember. Otherwise assistants have usually stayed in place - MacLean was an assistant through 5 different coaches (Burns, Robinson, Lamoriello, Julien, Sutter). As such I think they will hire someone who isn't Adam Oates to be the coach next year, but that it probably won't be any of the names on this list, which is fine. There's been a lot of rumors about Oates being greased for an executive role either as GM or President of Hockey Ops and not a coaching role. This stint might just be an evaluation and reintroduction towards that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 There's been a lot of rumors about Oates being greased for an executive role either as GM or President of Hockey Ops and not a coaching role. This stint might just be an evaluation and reintroduction towards that. He's hands on with players, recommending stick changes and whatnot. I don't see how these skills translate to GMing at all. In addition, most GMs currently employed in the league weren't assistant coaches or coaches - that's not generally the track to moving upstairs anymore (if it ever was). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 (edited) I don't think the Devils will be limiting the search to whoever gets mentioned here. In any event, I like Tippett because he has had success with rosters that are not that talented or relatively so, and also that he appears to understand the value of defenseman that aren't "stay at home" types. I don't follow Arizona all that closely, but it appears their awfulness this past year is largely a product of goaltending, which is a problem the Devils should not have next year. Do have anyone else in mind? I suppose I think that the general process of trying to name the next coach is somewhat futile. Assistants across the NHL, and head coaches across the AHL and CHL should be getting looks. Guys like Tippet, Blysma, and Oates got fired for a reason; not that it condemns them completely (fired coaches often have later success), but what those reasons are need to be considered before hiring. Out of 11 years as a coach, Dave Tippet's teams have advanced past the first round of the playoffs 3 times. He's done pretty well in getting his teams in sure, but his teams have had little postseason success. There's very little to get excited about with him. And the Coyote's problems are NOT to do with goaltending. Sure, Mike Smith was not helping things earlier in the year, but he has played stellar over the past month or so and the Coyotes are still in free fall. Save percentage can tell a lot sure, but sometimes it doesn't tell much at all. You look at a guy like Scrivens from one year to the next and you can see what quality of team can do to save percentage. Edited March 30, 2015 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 I suppose I think that the general process of trying to name the next coach is somewhat futile. Assistants across the NHL, and head coaches across the AHL and CHL should be getting looks. Guys like Tippet, Blysma, and Oates got fired for a reason; not that it condemns them completely (fired coaches often have later success), but what those reasons are need to be considered before hiring. Out of 11 years as a coach, Dave Tippet's teams have advanced past the first round of the playoffs 3 times. He's done pretty well in getting his teams in sure, but his teams have had little postseason success. There's very little to get excited about with him. And the Coyote's problems are NOT to do with goaltending. Sure, Mike Smith was not helping things earlier in the year, but he has played stellar over the past month or so and the Coyotes are still in free fall. Save percentage can tell a lot sure, but sometimes it doesn't tell much at all. You look at a guy like Scrivens from one year to the next and you can see what quality of team can do to save percentage. The Coyotes have an AHL lineup of forwards and Shane Doan. They are a horrible, horrible team. Quality of team has not been shown to affect save percentage in a considerable way. In fact, the Oilers have reduced their shots against considerably between this year and last - Scrivens has the same GAA he had last year despite a .020 worse save percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted March 31, 2015 Share Posted March 31, 2015 (edited) The Coyotes have an AHL lineup of forwards and Shane Doan. They are a horrible, horrible team. Quality of team has not been shown to affect save percentage in a considerable way. In fact, the Oilers have reduced their shots against considerably between this year and last - Scrivens has the same GAA he had last year despite a .020 worse save percentage. Agreed on the Coyotes. So you are saying that Scrivens's decrease is entirely random? How about Dubnyk? He was .916 on the Coyotes. He's .939 on the Wild. Same season. How about Fasth in his first season on the Ducks and this one? This is not to say that save percentage is often not a good indicator of strength of goalie, but that sometimes it isn't, and the quality of the team can affect save percentage....to a degree, of course. To me Mike Smith's .903 this year, is a lot more commendable than Kari Lehtonen's .907. Edited March 31, 2015 by Neb00rs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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