coldply123 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 He only makes 2.75 million and he was good for 21 goals last season. I was big on him and Mason Raymond last off season. I'm still high on both. Raymond put up 19 goals and 45 points last season. I would have preferred him over Brunner. All these players are essentially one trick ponies. Boyes and Ryder are very similar. Raymond is a speedster but much like Brunner doesn't know much about defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Pronman ranked us as having the second worst draft. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Pronman ranked us as having the second worst draft. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk The Devils picked 30th and only had 6 draft picks. I'd be surprised if they were outside of the bottom 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Chere said Lou described free agent discussions as "distracting." Not a good sign. I hope distracting means he's actually planning on doing something If he wasn't planning on doing anything I doubt he'd care one way or the other about free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I hope distracting means he's actually planning on doing something If he wasn't planning on doing anything I doubt he'd care one way or the other about free agency. Actually I misinterpreted what he meant. He was talking about the free agency talks occurring during the draft for the first time and how it was an issue. All these players are essentially one trick ponies. Boyes and Ryder are very similar. Raymond is a speedster but much like Brunner doesn't know much about defense. I completely disagree. Boyes doesn't float around waiting for something to happen like Ryder. Raymond has way more experience than Brunner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Pronman ranked us as having the second worst draft. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk This draft was pathetic considering who we passed on. Lou and Conte could give two sh*ts what the fans think. They exist in a vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 This draft was pathetic considering who we passed on. Lou and Conte could give two sh*ts what the fans think. They exist in a vacuum. You and carp need to get over yourselves. All the two of you have done for the past couple weeks is bitch about everything and insist that Lou will do nothing other than sign Brian Gionta during fa. You guys are a broken record. You could at least wait for Lou to not sign anyone to bolster the offense before you hang him for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The same people complaining about passing on barbashev are the ones who complain about tedenby busting. It's not like skill is the end all be all. I've only seen a few highlights of the kid but let's be honest, 30 other teams passed on him- some of them twice, so it's not as if it was as much of a no brainer or as inexcusable as many are making it out to be. I'll eat my words if he pans out in three years, but for now I'll trust the professional scouts that they took what was in their mind BPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) The same people complaining about passing on barbashev are the ones who complain about tedenby busting. It's not like skill is the end all be all. I've only seen a few highlights of the kid but let's be honest, 30 other teams passed on him- some of them twice, so it's not as if it was as much of a no brainer or as inexcusable as many are making it out to be. I'll eat my words if he pans out in three years, but for now I'll trust the professional scouts that they took what was in their mind BPA. Yeah well no need to wait 3 years... look at our draft track record in the last 10 years... Theres everything to see for you to not trust them at least a little(At least for forwards) Edited June 29, 2014 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William D'Aquila Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 This draft was pathetic considering who we passed on. Lou and Conte could give two sh*ts what the fans think. They exist in a vacuum. Lou and Conte are the experts not us! Frankly, I do not want them to be pressured by our fan-base, so more power to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slasher72 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 (edited) dmann422, on 29 Jun 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:dmann422, on 29 Jun 2014 - 08:59 AM, said:It's not like skill is the end all be all. I'm sure Lou and Conte would be in agreement with you. Edited June 29, 2014 by slasher72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Lou and Conte are the experts not us! Frankly, I do not want them to be pressured by our fan-base, so more power to them. I'm not sure they could get any more power. The problem is they literally have had unquestioned power in their respective areas up until recently. Even so called experts or aces lose their edge so to speak. I don't think they are by any means among the very worst in the league, but they certainly aren't batting a very good average over the last decade since the first lockout and it's reasonable to question given their ages/time here, that they've gone a bit cold/rusty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 I'm not sure they could get any more power. The problem is they literally have had unquestioned power in their respective areas up until recently. Even so called experts or aces lose their edge so to speak. I don't think they are by any means among the very worst in the league, but they certainly aren't batting a very good average over the last decade since the first lockout and it's reasonable to question given their ages/time here, that they've gone a bit cold/rusty. They've also had less chances than just about any team, as the Devils have usually been without even the requisite 7 draft picks, and have used only one selection in the top 5, and only two selections in the top 20. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 The Devils picked 30th and only had 6 draft picks. I'd be surprised if they were outside of the bottom 10. Whatever the reason, drafting two and half goons doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 They've also had less chances than just about any team, as the Devils have usually been without even the requisite 7 draft picks, and have used only one selection in the top 5, and only two selections in the top 20. No doubt. But that's also (as a counterpoint) part of having to use some draft picks every year to fill holes because earlier draft picks didn't pan out. I think they are largely average. I think Conte has been burned a bit by his European scouts and his fetish for a team full of Zubruses and that style seems to show up in every draft now. The guy has experience, I just wonder if much like a baseball hitter, if we're seeing the change in approach as more uncertain and average decline here. I've been a broken record in stating that I'm pretty confident that ownership is going to start asking for a transition and freshening of the minds in the front office and scouting staff if we miss the playoffs again. We'll see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maniacdevsdude Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 coldply123, on 29 Jun 2014 - 11:16 AM, said:I'm not sure they could get any more power. The problem is they literally have had unquestioned power in their respective areas up until recently. Even so called experts or aces lose their edge so to speak. I don't think they are by any means among the very worst in the league, but they certainly aren't batting a very good average over the last decade since the first lockout and it's reasonable to question given their ages/time here, that they've gone a bit cold/rusty. Lou built a team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals 5 times and won it 3 times yet you still complain about his expertise. Talk about ungrateful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Lou built a team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals 5 times and won it 3 times yet you still complain about his expertise. Talk about ungrateful. It's not his expertise, it's the idea that Lou appears to have not come to the realization that teams need offense in the new NHL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Lou built a team that went to the Stanley Cup Finals 5 times and won it 3 times yet you still complain about his expertise. Talk about ungrateful. Who says I'm not grateful? I've long praised Lou for what he did for this organization. Nice to know you suffer from limitation in your reading comprehension skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Reading through these threads has become unbearable. With all of the scouting experts on this board, the Devils should just fire their entire scouting department and hire right from here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Reading through these threads has become unbearable. With all of the scouting experts on this board, the Devils should just fire their entire scouting department and hire right from here. Truer words have never been written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People want these Hail Mary picks and then call them busts a couple of years later. I'm sure people hated the Henrique pick when it happened because they wanted another guy that they read 3 sentences about on the internet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People want these Hail Mary picks and then call them busts a couple of years later. I'm sure people hated the Henrique pick when it happened because they wanted another guy that they read 3 sentences about on the internet. It's just common sense that if a player is a goon in junior, he'll likely be a goon when he eventually works his way to the ECHL. It's also common sense that a player who puts up a lot of points in junior is more likely to be able to do that than someone that doesn't. Now the latter does not necessarily separate a player like Point (who scored a ton) over Quenneville (who scored less, but still plenty), and that's why, as of Friday night, I wasn't too down on the front office. But it does mean that's it's better to take a shot on Point (who people with actual scouting experience gave a first round ranking) over someone who doesn't project to be any more than a grinder if he ever makes it to the NHL (Chatham). It also means that you take a shot on players in the latter rounds who have some offensive upside, over players that are just a complete waste of space. It's also common sense that you should be very reluctant to take a defenseman with your second round pick when the system is overfilling with defensive prospects, who your own propaganda is saying should be in the NHL in the next one or two years (if they're not there already) for the foreseeable future. Especially when there is zero scoring ability in the system. As I said, the biggest thing with Saturday is that it shows that Lou and Conte are oblivious to what is happening around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Damned if you do, damned if you don't. People want these Hail Mary picks and then call them busts a couple of years later. I'm sure people hated the Henrique pick when it happened because they wanted another guy that they read 3 sentences about on the internet. Don't mean to embarrass anyone at all. Just for reference: http://njdevs.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37434&hl=%2Badam+%2Bhenrique Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 It's just common sense that if a player is a goon in junior, he'll likely be a goon when he eventually works his way to the ECHL. It's also common sense that a player who puts up a lot of points in junior is more likely to be able to do that than someone that doesn't. Now the latter does not necessarily separate a player like Point (who scored a ton) over Quenneville (who scored less, but still plenty), and that's why, as of Friday night, I wasn't too down on the front office. But it does mean that's it's better to take a shot on Point (who people with actual scouting experience gave a first round ranking) over someone who doesn't project to be any more than a grinder if he ever makes it to the NHL (Chatham). It also means that you take a shot on players in the latter rounds who have some offensive upside, over players that are just a complete waste of space. It's also common sense that you should be very reluctant to take a defenseman with your second round pick when the system is overfilling with defensive prospects, who your own propaganda is saying should be in the NHL in the next one or two years (if they're not there already) for the foreseeable future. Especially when there is zero scoring ability in the system. As I said, the biggest thing with Saturday is that it shows that Lou and Conte are oblivious to what is happening around them. Maybe all that. Or they just know that none if these players will be affecting the Devils for at least 3 - 4 years so a log jam at defense now means nothing to the make up of the team. These guys spent years studying these players. They probably know more about their potential and skills then what we learned from stat lines and YouTube videos. I'm not thrilled with some of these picks but I'm aware that thought went into them. Having a vision you don't agree with doesn't make them oblivious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted June 29, 2014 Share Posted June 29, 2014 Don't mean to embarrass anyone at all. Just for reference: http://njdevs.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=37434&hl=%2Badam+%2Bhenrique The best part of that thread was Tri and me saying they should go for "safe picks" when now we're asking for high risk, high reward. As for henrique, he is a character forward that has turned out to be a similar player to what was forecasted. What's funny is he's not that much of a playmaker and is more an all around player that's probably going to score a bit more than was expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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