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#161 MadDog2020

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:45 PM

Re Jake Long, I wouldn't franchise him, but the effort has to be made to re-sign him unless the injuries are a real problem.

Martin's strength, or relative lack thereof, is a huge concern.

. Martin needs to bulk up, that's indisputable. The fact that Aldon Smith only used him as a stepping stone to Tannehill once though is encouraging. He was a very good left tackle in college, and has played that position his whole life. I think he can be a solid left tackle. If we franchise Long, that's $15 mil for one season. No. fvcking. Way. In. Hell. But the only way he comes back is if we pay him 10, which I'm not willing to do- I'm afraid Ireland is though. That scares me.

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 04:55 PM

In four games, Henne has as many touchdown passes as Tannehill, playing for an offense that is worse at every single skill position.


Cecil Shorts and Justin Blackmon are miles better than any Fins receiver. Miami's receivers are barely better than the Jets, and the Jets' WR's wouldn't start on a lot of college teams. I do think Tanneyhill deserves the chance to see what he can do with an actual NFL offense.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:01 PM

. Martin needs to bulk up, that's indisputable. The fact that Aldon Smith only used him as a stepping stone to Tannehill once though is encouraging. He was a very good left tackle in college, and has played that position his whole life. I think he can be a solid left tackle. If we franchise Long, that's $15 mil for one season. No. fvcking. Way. In. Hell.


I think about it a little more, franchising Long might not be the worst thing in the world. $15 million is a lot of money, but it's also only one year. It all depends on what has to be spent on filling out the rest of the roster and what it'll cost to get a good receiver in here.

I'd rather take the huge cap hit for one year, and see what we have. Long has declined in the past year, no doubt about it. All things being equal though, I wouldn't want to cut bait if we don't have to.
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Posted 12 December 2012 - 05:24 PM

I think about it a little more, franchising Long might not be the worst thing in the world. $15 million is a lot of money, but it's also only one year. It all depends on what has to be spent on filling out the rest of the roster and what it'll cost to get a good receiver in here.

I'd rather take the huge cap hit for one year, and see what we have. Long has declined in the past year, no doubt about it. All things being equal though, I wouldn't want to cut bait if we don't have to.

. I can't justify that for Jake Long for even one season- not the way he's declined. We have other guys to sign too- Starks, Smith, Hartline... I don't want almost 1/3 of the cap space we have to be dedicated to a declining, oft-injured offensive lineman. If I'm Ireland, I offer 2 years $6 mil plus performance/playing time bonuses. If he doesn't like it, he can get his money from some other sucker.


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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:04 PM

I don't quite understand the Tannehill hate. Bess is not a good WR at all. It seems like he's consistently running the wrong routes and he's always running backwards. Hartline is good...but he's also the only one trying 99% of the time...and he has a hard time getting open. Tanny has to make obscenely difficult throws sometimes...and he does. It's also a lot harder to score in the Red Zone...that's why they call it the Red Zone. It's a shorter field and not many options. And when you really only have 2 receivers who can do anything, an entire defense can cover them...and our o-line has an incredibly difficult time opening holes so the running game is hardly a threat.

Also...I will throw up if they resign long for a 10mil a year or franchise him for 15. That's insanity. We need a WR, we need a CB and we need a TE. It's gonna take a lot to fill the holes...and I'm more than happy to let Long walk to fill other needs.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 01:36 PM

I don't quite understand the Tannehill hate. Bess is not a good WR at all. It seems like he's consistently running the wrong routes and he's always running backwards. Hartline is good...but he's also the only one trying 99% of the time...and he has a hard time getting open. Tanny has to make obscenely difficult throws sometimes...and he does. It's also a lot harder to score in the Red Zone...that's why they call it the Red Zone. It's a shorter field and not many options. And when you really only have 2 receivers who can do anything, an entire defense can cover them...and our o-line has an incredibly difficult time opening holes so the running game is hardly a threat.

Also...I will throw up if they resign long for a 10mil a year or franchise him for 15. That's insanity. We need a WR, we need a CB and we need a TE. It's gonna take a lot to fill the holes...and I'm more than happy to let Long walk to fill other needs.


However bad you think Tannehill's supporting cast is, he should have more than 8 touchdown passes at this point if you want to be optimistic about the future. You could cut a rookie QB some slack if this were 10-15 years ago. But the rules today basically guarantee a WR separation or a flag. Even a rookie QB, especially one that's supposed to be as smart as Tannehill ought to be able to take advantage of that.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:04 PM

However bad you think Tannehill's supporting cast is, he should have more than 8 touchdown passes at this point if you want to be optimistic about the future. You could cut a rookie QB some slack if this were 10-15 years ago. But the rules today basically guarantee a WR separation or a flag. Even a rookie QB, especially one that's supposed to be as smart as Tannehill ought to be able to take advantage of that.


That has a lot to do with play calling and the Fins are a run first team. Tannehill has potential I would not throw him under the bus yet.
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Posted 13 December 2012 - 05:38 PM

However bad you think Tannehill's supporting cast is, he should have more than 8 touchdown passes at this point if you want to be optimistic about the future. You could cut a rookie QB some slack if this were 10-15 years ago. But the rules today basically guarantee a WR separation or a flag. Even a rookie QB, especially one that's supposed to be as smart as Tannehill ought to be able to take advantage of that.

. The reason Tannehill has 8 TD passes isn't because he sucks- its because the Dolphins score tons of rushing TD's from the 1 and the 2 yard line. The Dolphins as a team have a total of 12 rushing TD's (5 for Bush, 4 for Thomas, 2 for Lane, 1 for Lamar Miller). A lot of those TD's were 1 and 2 yard runs. This happens by (to steal Hank Stram's words) matriculating the football down the field. Tannheill MOVES THE FOOTBALL. I keep telling you stats don't tell the whole story, yet everytime you want to criticize Tannehill, you resort to stats. fvck the stats. Watch the game and pay attention.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:59 PM

Bench him now. Perhaps it might be a message that starting actually requires results. Whatever the end result, it's blatantly obvious that Tannehill is not worthy of being a starting QB in the NFL. At least not now.


Edit. Ok maybe not

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 03:44 PM

Bench him now. Perhaps it might be a message that starting actually requires results. Whatever the end result, it's blatantly obvious that Tannehill is not worthy of being a starting QB in the NFL. At least not now.


Edit. Ok maybe not

. Hmm, 22-28 220 and 2 TD's? Yeah, maybe not.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:46 PM

Oh also- 54 yards rushing on 6 carries for Tannehill. 9 yards per tote. Not too bad, I'd say.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 04:57 PM

Oh also- 54 yards rushing on 6 carries for Tannehill. 9 yards per tote. Not too bad, I'd say.

They should try and open up things for him to run with the ball I agree.
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Posted 16 December 2012 - 05:05 PM

They should try and open up things for him to run with the ball I agree.

. I stand corrected- it was 8 carries for 52 yards. Still very good.


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Posted 16 December 2012 - 09:19 PM

Daniel please invite me over to smoke whatever you're taking hits from.
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Posted 17 December 2012 - 10:07 AM

Daniel please invite me over to smoke whatever you're taking hits from.


Just Marlboro Lites every so often.
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 05:56 PM

Its amazing that we're still in the playoff hunt, Never would have thought in the beginning of this season that we would have a meaningful game in week 16. Fins Up!
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Posted 18 December 2012 - 06:03 PM

What is with Thomas the RB they drafted so high a few years ago. Is he a bust?
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 02:02 AM

What is with Thomas the RB they drafted so high a few years ago. Is he a bust?

. Thomas is the definition of an underachiever, in addition to being made of glass. He got hurt again the other day. Not to mention he seems to have finally fallen out of favor with Philbin, as the last couple weeks Lamar Miller has been getting all of Thomas&amp;#39; carries. <br /><br />

Its amazing that we&amp;#39;re still in the playoff hunt, Never would have thought in the beginning of this season that we would have a meaningful game in week 16. Fins Up&amp;#33;

. It would take the miracle to end all miracles for us to get in. I don't even think most of the football-consuming public knows we're still alive.

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:31 PM

. Thomas is the definition of an underachiever, in addition to being made of glass. He got hurt again the other day. Not to mention he seems to have finally fallen out of favor with Philbin, as the last couple weeks Lamar Miller has been getting all of Thomas&amp;#39; carries.


I just saw Thomas is on the IR again.
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 09:08 PM

It would take the miracle to end all miracles for us to get in. I don't even think most of the football-consuming public knows we're still alive.


1. They must win both of their games, vs. Buffalo and at New England….
2. Cincinnati must lose at Pittsburgh and vs. Baltimore…..
3. Pittsburgh must lose vs. Cleveland…
4. The New York Jets must lose one of two against San Diego or Miami

….hell stranger HAS happened….
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