HOLLYWOOD Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Toronto Sun: Ryan O'Reilly denied captaincy by Avalanche http://www.torontosun.com/2013/02/13/nhl-notes-ryan-oreilly-denied-captaincy-by-avalanche Contract negotiations between 22-year-old centre and the team he led in points last season have broken off as of Wednesday. According to the Denver Post, the biggest reason for the impasse ismoney. The Avs offered O’Reilly a five-year $17 million deal — the firstof that length since Paul Stastny's 2008 deal — but it wasn't enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Arnott and Niedermayer held out the same year. And the Devils went to the Cup Finals that year. Columbus has a lot of work to do to get good. They have to throw out a lot of bad contracts. That Jack Johnson deal has to be first on the chopping block though I don't know who is stupid enough to take that on. I keep forgetting that too but they could simply buy him out this summer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 So Karlsson is gonna be out long term with an Achilles injury. Any forwards interest you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMullen82 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Chris Neil but that's not happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Milan Michalek but that's not happening. Sens are going to look for something offensively with Spezza and Karlsson out. I don't think we have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 So since we have even more depth with Poni I can honestly see Lou making a legit offer for O'Reilly. Tallinder - Josefson and maybe another piece. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOLLYWOOD Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 So since we have even more depth with Poni I can honestly see Lou making a legit offer for O'Reilly. Tallinder - Josefson and maybe another piece. guesstimating ROR would be in the $3.75-5 Mil range... here's are the RFA draft pick compensation figures for the 2012-13 season: $1,110,249 or below – No Compensation Over $1,110,249 to $1,682,194 – 3rd round pick Over $1,682,194 to $3,364,391 – 2nd round pick Over $3,364,391 to $5,046,585 – 1st round pick, 3rd Over $5,046,585 to $6,728,781 – 1st round pick, 2nd, 3rd Over $6,728,781 To $8,410,976 – Two 1st Round Picks, 2nd, 3rd Over $8,410,976 – Four 1st Round Picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH26 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) So since we have even more depth with Poni I can honestly see Lou making a legit offer for O'Reilly. Tallinder - Josefson and maybe another piece. the other piece better be Larsson or every decent prospect we have or they're laughing. Literally any other team can outdo JJ and Tallinder. Why do they want Tallinder anyway? They're awful and will be for awhile esp w/o RoR I keep forgetting that too but they could simply buy him out this summer Johnson's signed forever. And he's pretty much all they got for Carter so they'll sit there with the egg on their face and keep him Edited February 14, 2013 by DH26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njd3b1ink Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 the other piece better be Larsson or every decent prospect we have or they're laughing. Literally any other team can outdo JJ and Tallinder. Why do they want Tallinder anyway? They're awful and will be for awhile esp w/o RoR 1. They need to get something for ROR, otherwise there is no way they improve this year.2. Tallinder is actually a good defensemen who can help younger kids and is affordable. Unfortunately he's not working out hay great in this system and has been plagued with injuries since coming here. 3. JJ is a young center who is already great defensively. Furthermore, after showing some really steady offensive production at the AHL level there is promise that he can do it in the coming years at the NHL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insanity_gallops Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 Arnott and Niedermayer held out the same year. And the Devils went to the Cup Finals that year. Columbus has a lot of work to do to get good. They have to throw out a lot of bad contracts. That Jack Johnson deal has to be first on the chopping block though I don't know who is stupid enough to take that on. Well, if the Avs gave up Shattenkirk and Stewart for Erik Johnson, I could see them making another "brilliant" move and sending O'Reilly to Columbus in exchange for Johnson and one of their forward prospects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 (edited) ... Wrong thread Edited February 14, 2013 by aylbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH26 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 1. They need to get something for ROR, otherwise there is no way they improve this year. 2. Tallinder is actually a good defensemen who can help younger kids and is affordable. Unfortunately he's not working out hay great in this system and has been plagued with injuries since coming here. 3. JJ is a young center who is already great defensively. Furthermore, after showing some really steady offensive production at the AHL level there is promise that he can do it in the coming years at the NHL level. 1. any team will give them something. JJ's not a unique commodity or anything. He's a good defensive center with no hands. 2. The Avs have no incentive to be good this year. THey stink no matter what. Who cares if they get slightly better w/ an old Dman who wouldn't be around when they're good. 3. He's not Granlund or something like that. EVERY TEAM has an asset equal to that. You're not outbidding anyone for RoR w/ JJ and Tallinder. You need to actually offer MORE and any team could match that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 1. any team will give them something. JJ's not a unique commodity or anything. He's a good defensive center with no hands. 2. The Avs have no incentive to be good this year. THey stink no matter what. Who cares if they get slightly better w/ an old Dman who wouldn't be around when they're good. 3. He's not Granlund or something like that. EVERY TEAM has an asset equal to that. You're not outbidding anyone for RoR w/ JJ and Tallinder. You need to actually offer MORE and any team could match that The one thing the Devils have going for them is the perception that their prospects are very good. It certainly helped get the Kovalchuk deal done -- Bergfors and Cormier. So another GM gets offered Josefson, and thinks the Devils think very highly of him, so he must be good. The Yankees used to get away with that all the time. But there's no desperation on Colorado's part to move O'Reilly, so they can wait things out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 The one thing the Devils have going for them is the perception that their prospects are very good. It certainly helped get the Kovalchuk deal done -- Bergfors and Cormier. So another GM gets offered Josefson, and thinks the Devils think very highly of him, so he must be good. The Yankees used to get away with that all the time. But there's no desperation on Colorado's part to move O'Reilly, so they can wait things out. I don't think either of these things is true. People forget that 09-10, the salary cap was a thing. People actually had to like, be prudent with money they spent. That decreased the number of potential suitors considerably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 I don't think either of these things is true. People forget that 09-10, the salary cap was a thing. People actually had to like, be prudent with money they spent. That decreased the number of potential suitors considerably. I'm not following you. Are you referring to Kovalchuk? If so, a lot of teams were reportedly interested, and I never heard that cap space was an issue for anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 14, 2013 Author Share Posted February 14, 2013 I'm not following you. Are you referring to Kovalchuk? If so, a lot of teams were reportedly interested, and I never heard that cap space was an issue for anyone. It was without question an issue. Kovalchuk was a 6.6M contract. The Flyers had no room that year - they still had Mike Rathje on the books. Other teams were also way up there - the Bruins, I recall, also would have had issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DH26 Posted February 14, 2013 Share Posted February 14, 2013 The one thing the Devils have going for them is the perception that their prospects are very good. It certainly helped get the Kovalchuk deal done -- Bergfors and Cormier. So another GM gets offered Josefson, and thinks the Devils think very highly of him, so he must be good. The Yankees used to get away with that all the time. But there's no desperation on Colorado's part to move O'Reilly, so they can wait things out. I don't think the perception's there anymore if it ever was after that deal blew up so badly for Atlanta. Larsson everyone knew was gonna be good but the rest? Who knows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarpathianForest Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 The Devils and Nashville have a reputation as being able to develop players really well. That's why the media and other teams go apesh!t whenever a Devils or Preds player goes UFA. Paul Martin, who always struck me as an average D Man, was one of the top UFAs after the 09-10 season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aylbert Posted February 20, 2013 Share Posted February 20, 2013 The Devils and Nashville have a reputation as being able to develop players really well. That's why the media and other teams go apesh!t whenever a Devils or Preds player goes UFA. Paul Martin, who always struck me as an average D Man, was one of the top UFAs after the 09-10 season. Yes... developed players who hit UFA with several years as a Devil. But sending out prospects before they made it as full time Devs? That is a very short list of unproven Devils who go on to be 'Devils' elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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