njd3b1ink Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I do not want to see that happen. I understand it's a deep draft but te talent is so strong in the top 10 I don't wanna miss out. Unless of course all the forwards as e talked about are gone by 9 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vadvlfan Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 +1 We only have 4 picks. 1st, 2nd, 4th, & 6th. If lou can get us another 2nd or early third, might be worth it. He may not find a partner. Unless some team is really hot for one of those d-men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 How about I pose another question here: If we trade down, where will we trade down to and who do you think we'll pick?I've already stated my thoughts on this, I think we'd trade down to around 15 and draft Lazar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njd3b1ink Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 We only have 4 picks. 1st, 2nd, 4th, & 6th. If lou can get us another 2nd or early third, might be worth it. He may not find a partner. Unless some team is really hot for one of those d-men.The quality of the player at 9 is much better than the player at 20+. Devils need some high end talent on offense badly and here is their opportunity to get some. Plus devils have done poorly when trading down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Plus devils have done poorly when trading down. Marty Broduer says hello. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derlique Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I just want Shinkaruk if we can't get one of the higher rated guys. Guy oozes skill and scouts love his intelligence and work ethic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) I agree with everyone saying we should not trade down. I only want Lou to try to trade up if he can. We have enough 2 way talent. We need some elite scoring talent and picking in the top 10 this year could potentially land us that. Kind of why I hope we don't take Monahan if he's there.(to be fair I only know what I read about Monahan and some highlights. All I'm reading is that he's a great 2 way forward and perfect fit for "Devils hockey" which is a term I'm tired of and we need to get away from.). I wouldn't mind trading a roster player for more picks this year. I think moving the #9 is a bad idea. Edited June 12, 2013 by Jerzey Devil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sokar Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 the only way the Devils are trading down if a player like Evander Kane gets traded to them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 (edited) I agree with everyone saying we should not trade down. I only want Lou to try to trade up if he can. We have enough 2 way talent. We need some elite scoring talent and picking in the top 10 this year could potentially land us that. Kind of why I hope we don't take Monahan if he's there.(to be fair I only know what I read about Monahan and some highlights. All I'm reading is that he's a great 2 way forward and perfect fit for "Devils hockey" which is a term I'm tired of and we need to get away from.). I wouldn't mind trading a roster player for more picks this year. I think moving the #9 is a bad idea. I agree with what you are saying about two-way hockey. I disagree about moving back a couple slots, though. Personally, I would love to have Max Domi. His offensive skill, grit, and mad enthusiasm for the game are the determing factors for me. If you're not in the top 5 I think you get a steal with Domi in the teens. He's Parise with grit. Dale Hunter even made comparison to Crosby. Although, I wouldn't go there... Edited June 12, 2013 by capo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 the only way the Devils are trading down if a player like Evander Kane gets traded to them There is no way they would do Kane and their first for ours. Although, I would love it if they did. Kane is a beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 I agree with what you are saying about two-way hockey. I disagree about moving back a couple slots, though. Personally, I would love to have Max Domi. His offensive skill, grit, and mad enthusiasm for the game are the determing factors for me. If you're not in the top 5 I think you get a steal with Domi in the teens. He's Parise with grit. Dale Hunter even made comparison to Crosby. Although, I wouldn't go there... I would actually love to have Domi too (even though that's more blasphemic(?) than taking Matteau). The nly tig that really worries me is that Domi could easily go 10-15 so if we trade down we're not guaranteed to get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njd3b1ink Posted June 12, 2013 Share Posted June 12, 2013 Marty Broduer says hello.Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HDAnd who else?On the other hand I'm pretty sure they have had several great picks when moving up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 I would actually love to have Domi too (even though that's more blasphemic(?) than taking Matteau). The nly tig that really worries me is that Domi could easily go 10-15 so if we trade down we're not guaranteed to get him. I hear ya... I think love me some nieds more than anybody else on this board too. But, hockey is not for the faint of heart and Tie Domi is who he is. I was thinking the same thing with the 10-15 thing as well. I think when it's all said and done Max Domi is going to be one of the best players to come out of this draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted June 13, 2013 Share Posted June 13, 2013 (edited) the only way the Devils are trading down if a player like Evander Kane gets traded to them And the only way that is going to happen is if we included more than just the #9 (i.e. Henrique, our 2nd and/or a prospect and the #9). In essence something very similar to what the Pens got from the Canes (Sutter, the #8, and Doumoulin) for Jordan Staal. We would not get a 1st rounder in return if this was to occur. I think the only way the pick gets moved is if something like that went down. I see us trading up before we trade down. Edited June 13, 2013 by ghdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capo Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 There are a lot of good players throughout the first round. Lou will wait til his number is called take a look at what's on the draft board and the trade table and then make a decision. I highly doubt they move up. But, I can definitely see an offer from another team to trade back. It'll all depend as to whether or not the Devils like a player that is on the board at #9 better than what they can get for the pick in trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 I would want to punch a wall if the Devils traded down, in my mind it's always quality over quantity, players projected to be 1st Line/1st Pairing players don't just come along, when you have a legitimate chance to get one and grow him yourself, you take it. We have too many players projected to be fringe 2nd liners or 3rd liners, why would we trade down and grab more of the same crap we already have? It makes no sense. This isn't how NHL drafts work. Sure, the best players are usually the guys picked right at the top, a pick which the Devils don't have. But certainly there's plenty of years where the 4th or 5th best guy is taken after the 1st round, even. And projections only mean so much. Point is, if the Devils feel like there isn't much difference between a guy taken at 9 and a guy taken at 15, they should be trading down. They don't have a 1st round pick next year and they're missing a fair number of lower picks in the next 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted June 16, 2013 Share Posted June 16, 2013 This isn't how NHL drafts work. Sure, the best players are usually the guys picked right at the top, a pick which the Devils don't have. But certainly there's plenty of years where the 4th or 5th best guy is taken after the 1st round, even. And projections only mean so much. Point is, if the Devils feel like there isn't much difference between a guy taken at 9 and a guy taken at 15, they should be trading down. They don't have a 1st round pick next year and they're missing a fair number of lower picks in the next 3 years. I actually agree with this. I'm not sure there's much separation this year. Now obviously if a guy like a Lindholm or Monahan falls to 9 that might change the calculus. But if the Devils don't feel all that strongly about a guy at 9 and think there's a pool of 7 or 8 guys and a few will be available in the mid teens, I don't see a problem with picking up another late 1st or high 2nd or tacking on a high draft pick next year for the reasons mentioned above. Personally, there's some intriguing guys in the 9 slot through to the mid and even late teens, especially at forward and I'm not sure one guy is exceptionally heads and shoulders above the rest in terms of projection (Shinkaruk, Lazar, Domi, Horvat, Erne, Zykov, Wennberg, Gauthier). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Picking #9 is a complete crapshoot. Here are the last bunch of players picked at #9. A couple of stars, a few average players, and a bunch of garbage. If we have to give up a defenseman and #9 to move up to pick at #5, it might be very worth it. Players picked at #5 are almost always impact+ NHLers. Brent KrahnTuomo RuutuPetr TaticekDion PhaneufLadislav SmidBrian LeeJames SheppardLogan CoutureJosh BaileyJared CowenMikael GranlundDougie HamiltonJacob Trouba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghdi Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 (edited) Picking #9 is a complete crapshoot. Here are the last bunch of players picked at #9. A couple of stars, a few average players, and a bunch of garbage. If we have to give up a defenseman and #9 to move up to pick at #5, it might be very worth it. Players picked at #5 are almost always impact+ NHLers. Brent Krahn Tuomo Ruutu Petr Taticek Dion Phaneuf Ladislav Smid Brian Lee James Sheppard Logan Couture Josh Bailey Jared Cowen Mikael Granlund Dougie Hamilton Jacob Trouba Its going to cost more than that to move up that high. It will be at least the 9, 39, + more to get up to 5 from 9. Trading up to the top five does not happen very often b/c of the cost involved. I dont disagree with you about the #9, the proof is right there, but its going to cost more than just a pick and a defenseman (unless its Larsson) to get up there. Edited June 17, 2013 by ghdi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Its going to cost more than that to move up that high. It will be at least the 9, 39, + more to get up to 5 from 9. Trading up to the top five does not happen very often b/c of the cost involved. I dont disagree with you about the #9, the proof is right there, but its going to cost more than just a pick and a defenseman (unless its Larsson) to get up there. http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up this is a pretty handy chart. trading up to the top 5 doesn't happen often because teams rarely want to trade out of it - not necessarily because of the cost (I mean, I suppose these are saying the same thing, but point is, yeah, these trades don't often happen, but it's because finding value on either side can be difficult) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up this is a pretty handy chart. trading up to the top 5 doesn't happen often because teams rarely want to trade out of it - not necessarily because of the cost (I mean, I suppose these are saying the same thing, but point is, yeah, these trades don't often happen, but it's because finding value on either side can be difficult) This seems to be something of a unique draft. There appears to be little in the way of separation among the top 3 or 4 picks. I mean, Colorado could swap picks with Florida, without getting too much in return. Whether you take Jones or MacKinnon appears to come down to an issue of need, which is unusual when it comes to the number 1 pick. Nashville might not even have to give up an arm and a leg to move from four to one, in theory anyway. Then, from everything you hear, there's a pretty steep drop after five or six. In 2011, I don't think it would have taken nearly as much for Boston to trade up to the Isles spot, as it would for the Devils to trade from 9 to 5 this year. Probably the same thing for last year's draft as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 Picking #9 is a complete crapshoot. Here are the last bunch of players picked at #9. A couple of stars, a few average players, and a bunch of garbage. If we have to give up a defenseman and #9 to move up to pick at #5, it might be very worth it. Players picked at #5 are almost always impact+ NHLers. Brent Krahn Tuomo Ruutu Petr Taticek Dion Phaneuf Ladislav Smid Brian Lee James Sheppard Logan Couture Josh Bailey Jared Cowen Mikael Granlund Dougie Hamilton Jacob Trouba I couldn't care less about historic drafts. It is irrelevant to this one. Firstly, this draft is deeper than others, and secondly, I don't care what previous GMs have done in the 9 spot. In 2005, the Senators took Brian Lee, but just as easily could have taken Anze Kopitar who went 11th. In 2002, Florida takes Petr Taticek, but just as easily could have drafted Alexander Semin who went 13th. I could go on and on. On the flip side, The Sharks could have passed on Logan Couture with the 9th pick in 2007 and drafted Keaton Ellerby, who went 10th. Does that make the 9th spot less appealing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLL765 Posted June 17, 2013 Share Posted June 17, 2013 I couldn't care less about historic drafts. It is irrelevant to this one. Firstly, this draft is deeper than others, and secondly, I don't care what previous GMs have done in the 9 spot. In 2005, the Senators took Brian Lee, but just as easily could have taken Anze Kopitar who went 11th. In 2002, Florida takes Petr Taticek, but just as easily could have drafted Alexander Semin who went 13th. I could go on and on. On the flip side, The Sharks could have passed on Logan Couture with the 9th pick in 2007 and drafted Keaton Ellerby, who went 10th. Does that make the 9th spot less appealing? Read my mind. Drafts previous to this don't matter because they weren't drafting these particular people. Unless you believe that a certain spot is cursed, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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