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#1741 Beezer34

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 09:36 PM

McKnight sounds off on Jet fans. Defends Sanchez..
http://espn.go.com/b...-in-qb-decision

"The fans won out in the end. They played a role in the QB decision, and they got their way. You could tell how it was going to go the whole year. The fans were doing their thing, screaming Tebow's name while Mark was in the game, cheering McElroy. Stuff like that just adds on to the pressure of the coaches in the end. Anytime you're a starting quarterback and you're on the football field and you're trying to call plays and you got people, who are supposed to be rooting for you, screaming out other quarterback's name, that's kind of frustrating. That takes away from the mentality of the game. I think that's kind of made it tough for the coaches to make their decision. All of the offense's problems this season can't just be blamed on Sanchez. It's okay though. This is going to make him stronger." -Joe McKnight.
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Posted 19 December 2012 - 11:25 PM

The key to moving forward and getting your team in the right direction is not hoping a QB gets better, but fixing the situation immediately. The Jets are not doing any favours keeping Sanchez. And if the rumours are correct, they won't. Just like the Browns had to move on from Couch, the Texans with Carr (two picks that were much bigger investments than Sanchez ever was), the Ravens with Bolger, the Panthers with Jimmy Clausen, etc.

Sanchez hasn't been given the best situation, but so what? That can't be everything. And that doesn't excuse him for the past few seasons. He is not a good QB.

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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:25 AM

Stop with the excuse about the home crowd...Sanchez sucked on the road too, as evidenced by Monday night :P

I mean yeah, the well was kinda poisoned from Day One this year with all the Tebow ****, but eventually there has to be some accountability for FIFTY turnovers in two seasons.
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Posted 20 December 2012 - 12:55 AM

ROFLMFAO. http://profootballmo...orts-new-study/


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Posted 21 December 2012 - 03:30 PM

What is all this talk about Michael Vick coming to the Jets during Ryan's Press Conference yesterday?
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:08 PM

unidentified but reliable sources r saying vick to the jets is virtually a lock next season. vick has reportedly already spoke 2 both woody n rex. they want him n he wants them
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Posted 21 December 2012 - 07:18 PM

Ther iz no chans vick is on the jts nxt seson

Yes there will be rumors...but he is not the stable game manager that we need

And i'm still waiting to find out who SS#4 team is...could be be the "die hard since 2001" club?

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Posted 21 December 2012 - 08:25 PM

unidentified but reliable sources r saying vick to the jets is virtually a lock next season. vick has reportedly already spoke 2 both woody n rex. they want him n he wants them


..so since 2004: Chad Pennington, Vinny Testaverde, Quincy Carter, Jay Fielder, Brooks Bollinger, Patrick Ramsey, Mark Brunell, Kellen Clemens, Brett Favre, Mark Sanchez, Tim Tebow, Greg McElroy, and Michael Vick?
That's sounds about like the Jets to me.

..really beginning to hate this organization.

still waiting to find out who SS#4 team is...


..it's the Cowboys. He's a friend of mine.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 03:54 PM

Glad I didn't bother buying a ticket for this game like I was going to...the Jets pretty much laid down and quit other than Kerley and Braylon. McElroy didn't have a chance, but at least for the most part he ate the ball instead of throwing into coverage other than that one hideous throw in the third quarter...even with that, Sanchez would have turned it over at least three times today with all the pressure the Chargers got on our overhyped, hideous OL.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 04:18 PM

No shot for McElroy today. I mean could the O-Line at least TRY to block someone. They never flat out quit blocking like this for Sanchez...though they did have some stinkers...but this was like they tried to get him hurt. Just horrific.
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 05:46 PM

No shot for McElroy today. I mean could the O-Line at least TRY to block someone. Just horrific.


So status quo for the Jets O-line
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 06:53 PM

this was like they tried to get him hurt.

with samchez but buddies like ferguson n mangold i wonder if this wasnt planed. almost like an unsaid statement that they support sanchez. i smell conspiracy
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Posted 23 December 2012 - 07:01 PM

Dumbest post of the day ^
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 12:12 AM

Dumbest post of the day ^


..oh I don't know, dumber than this;

They never flat out quit blocking like this for Sanchez.


..or this?

Sanchez would have turned it over at least three times today.


You have to realize the level of egg on the face of those that have been calling for Sanchez's head after today. Understanding their recourse shouldn't be difficult given the magnitude of the orgasim that went on over the mighty 28 yrds against Arizona.

Rex finally - FINALLY - tells McElroy to warm up. About fvcking time.

One drive, one TD for McElroy. And the crowd's going as nuts for any Jet QB as they've ever gone since probably the days of Joe Willie coming off the bench and throwing TD's with gimpy knees.

McElroy would have had two TD drives out of four. When's the last time we had two offensive TD's that mattered in a game?


McElroy was the savior that was meant to make Mark look like a mongoloid. The great white knight set to ride in and rescue the Jets, and exonerate Tannenbaum. He's faster than Sanchez, younger than Sanchez. Smarter also, being a Rhode Scholar. Then today came, and 2 early TD's on 3 drives. This was what fans came to see!!!! But we waited for more towards the end of the 1st quarter... and then the 2nd quarter.. and the 3rd quarter...... and the 4th quarter.... and nothing.. happened. New QB, same result.
McElroy completed 14 passes, and threw 10 incompletions.. for 100 and some odd yrds. A solid 65.4 QB rating. No throwing TD's, no rushing TD's. A fumble, an interception, sacked 11 times. Oh but don't get me wrong, he didn't run into Moore's ass in the 2nd quarter.. far from it. He ran into Moore's shoulder in the 1st quarter! -huge difference. And thus we're left with; "it's not Greg's fault" logic. It was the Chargers pass rush.. and a team wide conspiracy to make Sanchez look better. It was Sparano.. and the Jets poor offensive line. It was the moon, and the stars, and the stratosphere. Every mulligan known to man.
For Sanchez there is no other reasoning other than "he's stupid". -that makes for an easier digest. For G-Mac however the excuses are all valid. And yet njdevs isn't even scratching the surface for the amount of excuses given for our poor victim quarterback today. The REAL Jets forums out there literally had me laughing out loud. It's quite a shame how NON Jet fans like Manta and CR actually GET IT over so called Jet fans. The real coopdegrä would\should be if and when Rex names Tebow the starter for the Bills game, and then go out there and watch him make a fool of himself also.

The Jets team, their fans, and the entire organization is in for a rude awakening. They got a taste of it today, but not the full dose.
Let the Jets run with McElroy next season and see what happens. Or better yet, sign the canine slaughter instead. I remember the FOUR CONSECUTIVE SEASONS that Pennington was injured, and this has that written all over it. -which is why the Pennington\McElroy comparisons are so fitting. Say what you want about Sanchez scrambling an getting sacked for a loss. Or the times when he throws it away for an interception. But that's just the thing.. he THROWS IT AWAY! He doesn't stand there and get sacked 11 times, just for the sake of not throwing a pick. -Pennington did! And when when you have a QB that does that, he doesn't stay upright. Jet fans have a short memory, and fail to appreciate that of Sanchez. For 4 seasons he's as healthy as a horse.. the same reason why Eli is always healthy. The slightest bit of pressure on Manning, and he throws is away.. interception be damned!
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 06:34 AM

Touché

Can't argue your points.
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Posted 24 December 2012 - 08:25 AM

Say what you want about Sanchez scrambling an getting sacked for a loss. Or the times when he throws it away for an interception. But that's just the thing.. he THROWS IT AWAY


:rofl: I can't remember the last time Sanchez has EVER 'thrown the ball away'...unless you consider overthrowing an open guy by five yards throwing it away lol. He throws it away by throwing it in the middle of three defenders and giving it away. Give me a sack over a turnover any day unless it's fourth down (and most of Sanchez's turnovers seem to come on first down, when he shouldn't be pressing), but of course throwing it away is better than a sack or turnover. TEBOW of all people threw the ball away a couple of times when he was under pressure in the Tennessee game and I only noticed it because of how rare it was.

Oh but don't get me wrong, he didn't run into Moore's ass in the 2nd quarter.. far from it. He ran into Moore's shoulder in the 1st quarter! -huge difference.


Yeah cause Brandon Moore actually got pile driven into McElroy in the pocket as opposed to Sanchez sliding into his rear end after running around like a chicken with his head cut off. And McElroy didn't fumble the ball that time either.

Please, nobody was saying McElroy was a savior, just that he deserved to play when it actually mattered after Sanchez's 'fifty' turnovers over the past two seasons. I didn't accuse them of quitting on McElroy, they just quit in general yesterday. Eleven sacks is a joke, I don't care who the QB is. Sanchez was 'never' under this kind of pressure.

Either way they had to give McElroy these two games to see if he could at least be a backup next year. They couldn't let Sanchez see the field yesterday, not with the crowd in full lynch mode and they obviously weren't going to let Tebow see the field since he's gone this offseason anyway.

I'm not even saying don't give Sanchez one more chance next year with a healthy Holmes, Braylon, Kerley, obviously the cap number will see to that...but he can't be ceded the job, there has to be an ACTUAL COMPETITION. Enough with babying him, blind faith in him, he's got to prove it now. And he shouldn't get to throw next season in the toilet even if he does win the job.

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Posted 24 December 2012 - 01:11 PM

You have to realize the level of egg on the face of those that have been calling for Sanchez's head after today. Understanding their recourse shouldn't be difficult given the magnitude of the orgasim that went on over the mighty 28 yrds against Arizona.
McElroy was the savior that was meant to make Mark look like a mongoloid. The great white knight set to ride in and rescue the Jets, and exonerate Tannenbaum. He's faster than Sanchez, younger than Sanchez. Smarter also, being a Rhode Scholar. Then today came, and 2 early TD's on 3 drives. This was what fans came to see!!!! But we waited for more towards the end of the 1st quarter... and then the 2nd quarter.. and the 3rd quarter...... and the 4th quarter.... and nothing.. happened. New QB, same result.
McElroy completed 14 passes, and threw 10 incompletions.. for 100 and some odd yrds. A solid 65.4 QB rating. No throwing TD's, no rushing TD's. A fumble, an interception, sacked 11 times. Oh but don't get me wrong, he didn't run into Moore's ass in the 2nd quarter.. far from it. He ran into Moore's shoulder in the 1st quarter! -huge difference. And thus we're left with; "it's not Greg's fault" logic. It was the Chargers pass rush.. and a team wide conspiracy to make Sanchez look better. It was Sparano.. and the Jets poor offensive line. It was the moon, and the stars, and the stratosphere. Every mulligan known to man.
For Sanchez there is no other reasoning other than "he's stupid". -that makes for an easier digest. For G-Mac however the excuses are all valid. And yet njdevs isn't even scratching the surface for the amount of excuses given for our poor victim quarterback today. The REAL Jets forums out there literally had me laughing out loud. It's quite a shame how NON Jet fans like Manta and CR actually GET IT over so called Jet fans. The real coopdegrä would\should be if and when Rex names Tebow the starter for the Bills game, and then go out there and watch him make a fool of himself also.

The Jets team, their fans, and the entire organization is in for a rude awakening. They got a taste of it today, but not the full dose.
Let the Jets run with McElroy next season and see what happens. Or better yet, sign the canine slaughter instead. I remember the FOUR CONSECUTIVE SEASONS that Pennington was injured, and this has that written all over it. -which is why the Pennington\McElroy comparisons are so fitting. Say what you want about Sanchez scrambling an getting sacked for a loss. Or the times when he throws it away for an interception. But that's just the thing.. he THROWS IT AWAY! He doesn't stand there and get sacked 11 times, just for the sake of not throwing a pick. -Pennington did! And when when you have a QB that does that, he doesn't stay upright. Jet fans have a short memory, and fail to appreciate that of Sanchez. For 4 seasons he's as healthy as a horse.. the same reason why Eli is always healthy. The slightest bit of pressure on Manning, and he throws is away.. interception be damned!

its ignorant to think that sanchez doesnt hav enough weapons around him. players step up. sanchez didnt. if u have to surround sanchez with probowlers what shiuld that tell u about him?
and allot of those 10 incompletions from mcelroy were drops joe. so dont go bringing that up
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Posted 25 December 2012 - 05:25 PM

Sanchez had no weapons. Period.
No QB can be successful when he constantly placed in obvious passing downs. The Jets have no WR, no RB' or a dependable O-line. No QB would successful under these circumstances.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:12 AM

Give me a sack over a turnover any day.


..trust me you won't be saying that when you see your teams QB take a ride on the truck and be shut-down for the remainder of the year. When I was referencing Sanchez throwing it away, I was including interceptions. The Jets team allowed 30 sacks all year this season going into the SD game. To say that every one of the dozen sacks McElroy took was the fault of the offensive line is silly. Even Rex threw blame towards McElroy TWICE on two sepperate conference calls.

its ignorant to think that sanchez doesnt hav enough weapons around him. players step up. sanchez didnt. if u have to surround sanchez with probowlers what shiuld that tell u about him?
and allot of those 10 incompletions from mcelroy were drops joe. so dont go bringing that up


HAHAHAHAHA!! You guys crack me up.
..we're gonna have a bleeding heart for McElroy on the few dropped passes from 4 quarters that cost him plays?! Sanchez's drops throughout the season COST HIM GAMES!! The Jets are ranked 6th in the league in dropped passes!

Kerley's DROP on 3rd down in the 4th quarter against Houston, would've not only sustained the drive, it would've set us up for 1st and goal. WE WIN THAT GAME if he makes that catch. -but it's Sanchez's fault.
Hill's DROP in the OT loss @ NE, resulted in us having to give the ball back to the Patriots instead of running out the clock. WE WIN THAT GAME if he makes that catch. -but it's Sanchez's fault.
Cumberland's DROP in the endzone against the Titans gave us a FG instead of a TD, in a game we lost by 4 points. WE WIN THAT GAME if he makes that catch. -but it's Sanchez's fault.

And furthermore, I'm not asking for Sanchez to be surrounded by ProBowl players. -but can he at least have healthy ones? Let the Jets team stay as is for 2013, seriously. Don't draft for the offense, don't trade for the offense. Don't sign anyone or anybody.. just give me Braylon Edwards, Santonio Holmes, Jeremy Kerley, Stephen Hill, Dustin Keller, and a committee of Powell, Greene, and McKnight @ RB. -that's it! Who exactly is a ProBowl player on that list?? I like Braylon Edwards alot, and I think it speaks volumes that he has already had more receiving yrds over these last 2 weeks with the Jets, than his previous 13 games combined with SF & Seattle. The thing is.. he's only been a Jet for 2 games this season. Holmes only played 3 full games this season, and the Jets won 2. Keller only played 7 games, in which the Jets won 4. Hill accounted for all 6 of the Jets victories, in only the 10 games that he played.
You can't turn water into wine, you can't get blood from a turnip, and you can't expect even so-so production coming from Sanchez throwing to players like Clyde Gates, Konrad Reuland, Marty Gilyard, Chaz Schilens, Jordan White, Derrick Epps, and JASON Hill. I actually don't even believe it as I type it. These guys will be washing cars come June. They're so bad the Edmonton Eskimos won't sign them! They can't even keep a job on the Jets, which is why they're constantly being cut and released.

Sanchez had no weapons. Period.
No QB can be successful when he constantly placed in obvious passing downs. The Jets have no WR, no RB' or a dependable O-line. No QB would successful under these circumstances.


The blood that's on Tanny's hands is massacre-esque! He is gone year, it's a foregone conclusion. We can't be the only 2 people in the world who understand this.. and I don't think we are. I feel like Woody & Rex have to see how horrible the offense around Mark is, and will bring him back next season. Especially how the hero scholar went out there against a piss poor team, running against Jet-lag, playing to lose to get Norv fired, with 13 starters not playing.. and completely sh!t the bed. It's one thing to play poorly, but to break a franchise record in one game for sacks, that was previously held by a replacement player? He looked like a statue out there, and I'm sure the haters were thinking out loud; Gee.. when did Sanchez change his number to 14?

It's comical how everyone has just forgotten Sanchez's first 2 years.. and even what he did last year with a very raw untalented team. Put any QB in the league on the Jets this season, other than Brady, Peyton, & Rodgers, and they wouldn't have won more than 8 games. Sanchez has proved what he's capable of with a halfway decent talented team. You don't bluff your way into the NFL when you're a QB. You don't just luck into 2 back-to-back Final Fours, or win 26 games of your first 39 starts by accident. You don't account for 33 touchdowns (passing & rushing) in 1 season off fluke. I'm so serious when I say I want Sanchez off the Jets because this organization isn't GOOD ENOUGH for Sanchez! Let him go to a team that will actually support him. Let him start in Arizona and perform well, so that the idiots here who alienated him can eat crow.
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Posted 27 December 2012 - 09:44 AM

HAHAHAHAHA!! You guys crack me up.
..we're gonna have a bleeding heart for McElroy on the few dropped passes from 4 quarters that cost him plays?! Sanchez's drops throughout the season COST HIM GAMES!! The Jets are ranked 6th in the league in dropped passes!

These guys will be washing cars come June. They're so bad the Edmonton Eskimos won't sign them! They can't even keep a job on the Jets, which is why they're constantly being cut and released.

The blood that's on Tanny's hands is massacre-esque! He is gone year, it's a foregone conclusion. We can't be the only 2 people in the world who understand this.. and I don't think we are. I feel like Woody & Rex have to see how horrible the offense around Mark is, and will bring him back next season. Especially how the hero scholar went out there against a piss poor team, running against Jet-lag, playing to lose to get Norv fired, with 13 starters not playing.. and completely sh!t the bed. It's one thing to play poorly, but to break a franchise record in one game for sacks, that was previously held by a replacement player? He looked like a statue out there, and I'm sure the haters were thinking out loud; Gee.. when did Sanchez change his number to 14?

I'm so serious when I say I want Sanchez off the Jets because this organization isn't GOOD ENOUGH for Sanchez! Let him go to a team that will actually support him. Let him start in Arizona and perform well, so that the idiots here who alienated him can eat crow.


I think most Jets fans are looking at Sanchez as a scapegoat for the parody of an NFL team the JESTS have become.

Tanny is done, no doubt about it. He set up Sanchez for failure the past two seasons, but alot of the blame goes to Woody as well, as he has forced the Jests to make far too many NONE FOOTBALL moves just for headlines, merchandising and general insecurity in relation to the Super bowl champion Giants in the same market.

But, I would disagree about Sanchez going to Arizona, which is nothing more than the Jets West. Their O-Line is even worse than Philly or the Jets. Unfortunately, for Sanchez he is stuck in New York, as no one is going to take his contract, especially since he is damaged goods by playing for the Jets.

The best bet for Sanchez, if the Jets eat some of his contract in a deal, is to take a year as back-up with a team with a good OC and QB coach and work on his fundimentals. In a few years, in a better football environment he could be a pretty good QB.
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