Derlique Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The team was miles better under Pete DeBoer the first half of the season. Tom Gulitti @TGfireandice 4m4 minutes ago Third time in six games Devils have had only 14 shots on goal. Sixth time in last 11 they've had 15 shots or less. Consider all the easy teams and home games NJ has played in this stretch. The most obvious conclusion is that 3 headed coaching monster has not worked out. Now obviously the roster is **** and some players are checking out, but there have been some seriously boneheaded personnel decisions. At least Mark Fraser wasn't in the lineup EVERY damn game. I mean, Gelinas sucks but at least he has some upside. Michael Ryder, the team's second or third best goal scorer has been a healthy scratch 6 games in a row. Why isn't anyone harping on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PWW Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The only logical explanation for Fraser being out there and the Fraser/Harrold pairing in general is that they are actually tanking. It's the only thing that makes sense. Still though, fvck DeBoer. Larsson getting a chance to find his game has been worth Pete getting fired and then some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) The only logical explanation for Fraser being out there and the Fraser/Harrold pairing in general is that they are actually tanking. It's the only thing that makes sense. Still though, fvck DeBoer. Larsson getting a chance to find his game has been worth Pete getting fired and then some. I said this in the game thread but honestly I've come to the conclusion any good that came from firing Pete was erased by firing Barr and re-hiring Oates. Holy **** christ, Pete may have been myopic but even he wasn't as loopy as Oates. And Stevens has been a dissapointment quite honestly. I know they have young defensemen and a Fraser fetish but for them to be constantly allowing 35 shots a night is ridiculous. Edited February 10, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWW Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I said this in the game thread but honestly I've come to the conclusion any good that came from firing Pete was erased by firing Barr and re-hiring Oates. Holy **** christ, Pete may have been myopic but even he wasn't as loopy as Oates. And Stevens has been a dissapointment quite honestly. I know they have young defensemen and a Fraser fetish but for them to be constantly allowing 35 shots a night is ridiculous. I definitely miss Barr as well. Oates clearly has some good ideas offensively but his obsession with handedness and other weird decisions cancels them out completely. Tootoo on the PP is an unreal level of stupid and you'd think he would change something after 6 straight PPs with no shots but nope. In fact, the lack of changes being made at all makes me believe even more that this is an actual attempt at tanking. No one coach could be this stupid so for three of them to look at these issues and none of them see anything wrong is damn near impossible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 It just doesn't matter. Pete, no Pete, Barr, no Barr, whatever. Anyone who thinks any of these coaches was doing anything wonderful is mistaken.Do we really think things would be so different if Dave Barr was still on the staff? C'mon now. Do we suck more now than under Deboer? Sure. Does it matter? No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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devilsrule33 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 It just doesn't matter. Pete, no Pete, Barr, no Barr, whatever. Anyone who thinks any of these coaches was doing anything wonderful is mistaken.Do we really think things would be so different if Dave Barr was still on the staff? C'mon now. Do we suck more now than under Deboer? Sure. Does it matter? No. Well, it's why a good portion of fans didn't want to see those Florida win or Pitt loser points. This team is dreadful right now -- historically futile offensively. Let the record show it. It will help the team moving forward in terms of a better draft pick, a better coaching staff, and more assets. And if Dave Barr was still on the staff, the Devils would have a more productive powerplay. That much is obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I honestly thought they were eventually going to get better and benefit from/build off of those bad wins...but instead it's been the same crap and now it's catching up to them. Edited February 10, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 It's not tanking. We would be seeing more Kinkaid and more Fraser if that were the case - Fraser basically played 2 shifts in the third. They are just this stupid and incompetent. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) Well nobody's going to be THAT obvious at tanking post-83 Penguins and it's too late for tanking to have a real effect anyway other than maybe going from a top ten pick to a top five pick. If it wasn't Lou I would start to wonder about the Tootoo on the PP/Fraser playing and on PK/Zubrus on the first line/Severson's injury timetable suddenly doubling type stuff. Edited February 10, 2015 by NJDevs4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 There's a lot of other stuff you could do to tank, and it's not what the Devils are doing. With how poorly they are playing, they could easily freefall like Buffalo if Schneider has a bad stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Speaking of Zubrus: Rich Chere @Ledger_NJDevils · 2h2 hours ago Lamoriello on Zubrus: "Zubie has taken too many penalties. That's something we've talked about. That has to be corrected." 0 replies5 retweets1 favorite Reply Retweet5 Favorite1 More Well not playing him 17 minutes is a start. 7 minutes more than Ruutu tonight. Remember, Ruutu Lou? The guy you traded for last deadline and was immediately an upgrade over Zubrus last season. The guy that has been stuck playing on the 4th line since day 1 of training camp. The player that is 5 years younger than Zubrus, and is a lot better. It's over for Zubrus. The new staff has seen him for 17 games. He has 3 assists, 7 shots and 22 PIM in that time. Find a replacement. Perhaps the player you traded for at last year's deadline! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerzey Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 (edited) I don't trust Lou's vision for this team anymore. In Lou We a Trust was fun for a while but those days are over. I know this board doesn't like hearing that but more of you guys should be pissed off about where our team is and where it's going and not be defending him all the time. Edited February 10, 2015 by Jerzey Devil 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zubie#8 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 The fact that Zubrus is playing over Ruutu is a complete joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Neb00rs Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 If this team was tanking, I do not believe for a second that Lou would be on the bench. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 If this team was tanking, I do not believe for a second that Lou would be on the bench. Or the fact they brought in two guys -- one who wants to be a head coach, and the other that is looking for a second chance. In both situations, tanking would end both of their coaching careers for good. Nobody is joining an organization mid-season to purposely tank the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neb00rs Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Or the fact they brought in two guys -- one who wants to be a head coach, and the other that is looking for a second chance. In both situations, tanking would end both of their coaching careers for good. Nobody is joining an organization mid-season to purposely tank the season. Right. Which, by the way, Lou has this thing he repeatedly does with "Well, I am bringing these guys in because they are familiar with the system, they know the players." It's like, was Oates and Stevens any more of a proper fit than anyone else available? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 This was my fear when PDB was canned - that they'd bring in someone godawful. I'm scared sh!tless that Oates/Stevens gets another crack at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I'm thrilled people are now seeing how very much Lou is a part of the problem and not going to be a part of the solution moving forward. Honestly his personnel management has been worse than Deboer. A ridiculous stretch by Cory has hidden how ugly this team is and how much Lou has lost it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Unless Lou is trying to lose, which I doubt. So. Yeah I think it's time to hand the reigns over ASAP before the draft. First time I said that last night and I think it's time. I don't like the coaching change, I don't like the player decisions with regards to PP, Gelinas, Fraser and Harrold. Yes those guys are deck chairs, but if you can't even IMO get the deck chairs correct or make a change after a loss or with how bad they are playing - than that's it for me. Lou stands behind the bench with his arms crossed - and that's it. Why is he still there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Unless Lou is trying to lose, which I doubt. So. Yeah I think it's time to hand the reigns over ASAP before the draft. First time I said that last night and I think it's time. I don't like the coaching change, I don't like the player decisions with regards to PP, Gelinas, Fraser and Harrold. Yes those guys are deck chairs, but if you can't even IMO get the deck chairs correct or make a change after a loss or with how bad they are playing - than that's it for me. Lou stands behind the bench with his arms crossed - and that's it. Why is he still there? His press conferences actually give a lot of insight into how he thinks and how he sees things and handles certain players even when he tries to give the brush off on questions or gets defensive on most questions. Can't wait to see Gionta back on the PP and PK. You know that's coming in a few weeks! And people can't use the excuse about not having good enough players to work with. This is the roster Lou himself assembled and his obsession with ahl guys and marginal talents show how off kilter things are here anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I don't blame him for the obsession with AHL guys and marginal talents, we haven't had the choice most nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 I don't blame him for the obsession with AHL guys and marginal talents, we haven't had the choice most nights. You have to. There's no excuse for playing them as much as he does and when he does. He's worse than Deboer with this garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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