peteyvegas Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 How come Marty is the greatest goalie against the penalty shot but only so-so on breakaways? Drives me crazy. I started cursing as soon as Kopitar grabbed the puck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Delete Thread. Seriously? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJCroMag Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 How come Marty is the greatest goalie against the penalty shot but only so-so on breakaways? Drives me crazy. I started cursing as soon as Kopitar grabbed the puck. My guess is that, during shootouts and penalty shots, the skater isn't coming in full-speed. I think Marty gets a better read when they're taking their time or only coming in at half-speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevsMan84 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Honestly I think Brodeur is one of the better goalies in the league when it comes to breakaways and I really thought he had it. It was just great patience and shot by Kopitar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abripper339 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 was a little to passive for me on that breakaway.. would of like to see one of his poke checks on that move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devs4LordStanley Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 My guess is that, during shootouts and penalty shots, the skater isn't coming in full-speed. I think Marty gets a better read when they're taking their time or only coming in at half-speed. Exactly. I think that's what Marty told Kovy to do - full speed ahead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abripper339 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 penalty shot is also a different situation.. the player chooses to come in at any speed/angle which greatly tips their hand on what their end move is going to be. b/c if you have the chance to changed your angle/speed to help your end move you will.. in a game, the player comes in as he comes in through the flow of the game and all options are possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 How come Marty is the greatest goalie against the penalty shot but only so-so on breakaways? Drives me crazy. I started cursing as soon as Kopitar grabbed the puck. There are lots of guys better than him in the shootout, plus he still only stops 72% of shootout attempts. Kopitar is one of the best players in the world, he's not going to miss there that often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Are there any statistics to back up this assertion? If not, it's almost certainly a grass-is-greener on the other side observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Puddy Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 (edited) He overuses the poke check. Kopitar totally baited him into it before he made his move. Also, it didn't help that Zubrus was too slow (out of gas?) to do anything on the backcheck. C'mon, man, you have to dive and make some kind of contact. EDIT: Just rewatched and it was the paddle down, not a poke check. Same damn thing... takes away mobility. Edited May 31, 2012 by David Puddy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chimaira_Devil_#9 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Kopitar is an incredibly smart player. There was part of an interview from TG on how he remembered as he was skating in on what move he last used on Marty in the shootout and changed it up in case he remembered. I guess that goes back a few years when, you know, we were in the shootout in L.A. and I went backhand on him. Maybe he thought I was going to do it again. Tonight, I just wanted to mix it up a little bit.”The game Kopitar was referencing came during his rookie season. The Kings beat the Devils and Brodeur, 3-2, in a shootout, at the Staples Center in Los Angeles on Nov. 27, 2006 as both Kopitar and Alexander Frolov scored in the shootout – Kopitar, apparently, on the backhand. To have the foresight to think of that, whilst coming in one on one in OT in the Stanley Cup Finals tells you a lot about the sort of player he is. (I have a feeling this series is going to stop him from being my favourite non NJD NHL player.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 (edited) I think everyone was cursing when Kopitar grabbed the puck, but it had nothing to do with Marty being good or bad on breakaways. It had to do with one of the most skilled players in the league having the most time and space on a breakaway in NHL history. Edited May 31, 2012 by devilsrule33 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justdo3043 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 seriously dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oconnellrules Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 im more bummed parise or fayne didnt pot their goal mouth chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 im more bummed parise or fayne didnt pot their goal mouth chances. Fayne HAS to bury that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 And that whole play is set up by Zajac not coralling the pass from Parise. The d was pinching up expecting the puck to stay in the zone longer. It was a weird set up, that allowed one of the best scorers in the league (and someone who's good on the breakaway) to get in by himself. Marty's gonna lose some of those battles. So did Roy, Hasek, and every other goalie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Marty is the reason we even got to OT. That sequence of saves in the 3rd starting with Doughty was some vintage #30. We may NEED him to steal a game this series, let's hope last night wasn't the one we needed to have when it is all said and done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamtheprodigy Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I thought Marty played that breakaway about as well as he could. He loves using the poke check and I'm sure if he had an opportunity to he would have, but this is Kopitar we're talking about. Make the first move and miss and he eats you alive. If only Marty had left his pad on the ice he might have had it. Oh well. As others have said, it's not like we didn't generate any chances in OT or in the 3rd to put it away either. On to game 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jmorc2003 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I thought Marty played that breakaway about as well as he could. He loves using the poke check and I'm sure if he had an opportunity to he would have, but this is Kopitar we're talking about. Make the first move and miss and he eats you alive. If only Marty had left his pad on the ice he might have had it. Oh well. As others have said, it's not like we didn't generate any chances in OT or in the 3rd to put it away either. On to game 2. Would want to see stats before I believe that Marty is better or worse on breakaways but If there is a difference, I suspect that a reason could be (as mentioned already in this thread) that on a breakaway, the player is coming full speed while in the midst of regular game play, leaving the goalie with a lot less time to position and read what he's doing. I've always hated when players go in at 50-75% on a shootout. I understand wanting to stay in control, but I think flying in at full speed you're increasing the chances the goalie will be back on his heels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Yeah, that wasn't the problem. The problem was the game was a mess and we made more mistakes. Game could have ended earlier in the OT when Kovy got a chance to destroy a puck off a faceoff. Dunno if the King who was stupid enough to throw a glove at it, got it or not, but there were two plays that could have ended the game, we didn't end it on ours, they did end it on theirs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pepperkorn Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 How come Marty is the greatest goalie against the penalty shot but only so-so on breakaways? Drives me crazy. I started cursing as soon as Kopitar grabbed the puck. Haha -- me too. I said "awe sh!t - that's the game." My husband was more positive just screaming "NOOOOOooooo!" as if something might be done to stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammyk Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Haha -- me too. I said "awe sh!t - that's the game." My husband was more positive just screaming "NOOOOOooooo!" as if something might be done to stop it. One never knows when a light fixture will take the plunge! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 I think everyone was cursing when Kopitar grabbed the puck, but it had nothing to do with Marty being good or bad on breakaways. It had to do with one of the most skilled players in the league having the most time and space on a breakaway in NHL history. In OT no less...when does a breakaway EVER happen in OT of a playoff game? Of course it had to be a breakaway with their best player too. Plus there was literally nobody in the area, even if Marty had made the initial save, Kopitar still had time to put in a rebound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperPuddy Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Hypotetical Question: If you gave Kopitar 10 idential chances against Marty as the overtime goal last night, and gave both players the option to mix up the strategy on each try, how many do you think Marty would stop? Put Quick in goal, how many would he stop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 it's not Brodeur fault at all on this goal... Kopitar could have lift the puck and Brodeur could have stopped it or he could have kept his pad down and kopitar could have went high... it happened that way and thats it Zach did the right play trying to get puck to the net i think zids did the right play pinching and knocking the puck off Brown to try to keep possession in the zone but Zajac couldnt handle the puck so right there Zajac and Zids we're taken out of the play You can see salvador looking at Kopitar and Zubs probably thinking Zubs had him so he went to cover on the right side for Zid but Zubby went for the sub and just that split second realized he couldnt and just like that Kopitar was on a breakaway and Zubs had no gas left in the tank to catch him up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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