Leafs fans bailing on Clarky already

[Blown01NJ]

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1552249

 

Poor SOB. He will never ever live up to that contract. 

[LucifersDog]

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/showthread.php?t=1552249

 

Poor SOB. He will never ever live up to that contract.

gg

I read the posts. I feel the same way about Clowe

[Muevelos]

Well read a lot posts and there are quite a bit intelligent ones who disagree and says he's been fine.

[Marshall]

gg

I read the posts. I feel the same way about Clowe

 

Now, while I reckon we will feel the same way about Clowe, let the guy play some games first. Guy has played six games two months ago. 

[LucifersDog]

Now, while I reckon we will feel the same way about Clowe, let the guy play some games first. Guy has played six games two months ago.

Understood but playing doesn't make the contract any better. Doesn't shorten the length or low the yearly amount.

[Marshall]

Understood but playing doesn't make the contract any better. Doesn't shorten the length or low the yearly amount.

 

Depends on how he plays. 

[SterioDesign]

[mrthemike]

 

Hahahahahahahaha

[Dadds3424]

Well, the expectations were absurdly high and we all know that he is a good player, especially in Deboers system but he is only good, not great. Although, I would have rather keep him over Clowe. At least his brain doesn't have the consistency of mashed potatoes.

[2ELIAS6]

already talked about this in another thread

[mouse]

Predictable, but poor bastard. It's not his fault Toronto's brain trust decided he was Wendell Clark despite no evidence.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

How many times have we seen this?  When will GMs learn that overpaying will not make the overpaid player perform better than what he is? 

 

I never blamed Clarkson for taking the money (that was waaaaaay more than he ever had any right to expect), but as is always the case, once the lovefest press conferences and backpage news stories end, people expect production for those dollars. 

[devilsrule33]

This is one giant whatever. I'd enjoy rivals' failures a little more if the Devils didn't have there own. After all, the Devils replacement for David Clarkson is Ryane Clowe, a player that makes a smidgen less a season, who was coming off a season with as many goals as concussions. They committed a lot of years to him too, and guess what, shockingly he has missed most of the season so far with a concussion...and when he played...he was so slow and pretty awful.

 

So while we can say we told you so Toronto, the entire league can say we told you so about Ryane Clowe.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

This is one giant whatever. I'd enjoy rivals' failures a little more if the Devils didn't have there own. After all, the Devils replacement for David Clarkson is Ryane Clowe, a player that makes a smidgen less a season, who was coming off a season with as many goals as concussions. They committed a lot of years to him too, and guess what, shockingly he has missed most of the season so far with a concussion...and when he played...he was so slow and pretty awful.

 

So while we can say we told you so Toronto, the entire league can say we told you so about Ryane Clowe.

 

Clowe is an absolute disaster, no question, and like you point out, it's not like he didn't have a concussion history before this season.  Lou took a big gamble on that one and appears to have lost (for the moment, anyway). 

[DevsMan84]

At this point I hope Lou uses his one remaining compliance buyout on Clowe.

[Devilsfan118]

If Clowe spends the majority of this contract on IR, it's paid by insurance, right?  So..beside the cap hit (which also gets removed if he's on LTIR I believe?) he's not really affecting anything by being injured..correct?

 

And yeah, when will GMs learn to not overpay for Devils players that excel in a system.  Holik, Gionta, Gomez, Clarkson, Parise in a few years..the list goes on.

 

Owners and GMs can (and will continue to) lock out the players all they want claiming they make too much money, but maybe the owners should stop buying into the hype machine and betting against each other every freakin offseason so these ridiculous contracts don't occur.

 

Clarkson return tour in about 3 years after he's bought out? 

[SterioDesign]

At this point I hope Lou uses his one remaining compliance buyout on Clowe.

 

i'd still hold on to Clowe, he's not playing a lot but he can score and produce. Volchenkov or Sal on the other hand has become useless. Even without those 2 we're one of the team allowing the less shots on net. 

 

We need scoring more than anything. Slow defensive dman who can barely handle the puck seems useless to me and expandable. They are getting beaten just as much as any of our more offensive guys, at least the offensive dmen are bringing points so its somewhat compensating. 

Edited December 6, 2013 by SterioDesign

[Chuck the Duck]

 

But first he has to get up because he tripped over the blue line...again!

 

 

At this point I hope Lou uses his one remaining compliance buyout on Clowe.

 

Can they use it one a player signed after the new CBA went into effect, or is it only reserved for signing that occurred as part of the last CBA?

 

 

If Clowe spends the majority of this contract on IR, it's paid by insurance, right?  So..beside the cap hit (which also gets removed if he's on LTIR I believe?) he's not really affecting anything by being injured..correct?

 

And yeah, when will GMs learn to not overpay for Devils players that excel in a system.  Holik, Gionta, Gomez, Clarkson, Parise in a few years..the list goes on.

 

Owners and GMs can (and will continue to) lock out the players all they want claiming they make too much money, but maybe the owners should stop buying into the hype machine and betting against each other every freakin offseason so these ridiculous contracts don't occur.

 

Clarkson return tour in about 3 years after he's bought out? 

 

Parise is a straight up good player.  He would excel in any system.  While he is overpaid, to lump him in with players like Gomez, Holik, and Clarkson is unfair.

[dmann422]

At this point I hope Lou uses his one remaining compliance buyout on Clowe.

you cannot use compliance buyouts for contracts signed after the new cba. Per the last line in this page of capgeek:

http://www.capgeek.com/faq/how-do-buyouts-work

Also, the difference between clowe and clarkson is the hype that the respective fanbase and organization gave to the signing. The contracts are equally as bad but Toronto has been hyping clarkson like he is bringing then a cup single handedly.

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

If Clowe spends the majority of this contract on IR, it's paid by insurance, right?  So..beside the cap hit (which also gets removed if he's on LTIR I believe?) he's not really affecting anything by being injured..correct?

 

And yeah, when will GMs learn to not overpay for Devils players that excel in a system.  Holik, Gionta, Gomez, Clarkson, Parise in a few years..the list goes on.

 

Owners and GMs can (and will continue to) lock out the players all they want claiming they make too much money, but maybe the owners should stop buying into the hype machine and betting against each other every freakin offseason so these ridiculous contracts don't occur.

 

Clarkson return tour in about 3 years after he's bought out? 

 

In fairness, the guys on that list really didn't perform that badly (not at first, anyway), and Parise is putting up Parise-like numbers in Minnesota (still vastly overpriced though).  Holik and Gomez actually performed at the level they should've been expected to as Rangers, but Sather is one of those idiots who thinks paying guys like superstars and bringing them to Broadway is somehow going to make them exponentially better than they really are, and the idiot Ranger fans bought into that as well.  Gionta was overpaid, but definitely not to the silly level that Holik and Gomez were, and to his credit, he did score 57 goals in his first two Canadien seasons...and is their captain to boot. 

[SterioDesign]

In fairness, the guys on that list really didn't perform that badly (not at first, anyway), and Parise is putting up Parise-like numbers in Minnesota (still vastly overpriced though).  Holik and Gomez actually performed at the level they should've been expected to as Rangers, but Sather is one of those idiots who thinks paying guys like superstars and bringing them to Broadway is somehow going to make them exponentially better than they really are, and the idiot Ranger fans bought into that as well.  Gionta was overpaid, but definitely not to the silly level that Holik and Gomez were, and to his credit, he did score 57 goals in his first two Canadien seasons...and is their captain to boot. 

 

Parise seems overpriced now cause most people are comparing with older contracts with lower cap hit because of frontloaded structure and we're used to "this amount of money = top player, but its a new reality now. In the new CBA Zach has a pretty good cap hit. Look what Perry and Getzlaf got cap will go higher and salaries will raise too and adjust.

 

When he was still a Devils all we were hearing here is that he was a top 10 player in the league, underrated etc etc now he's not even top 10 in cap hit and he's overpaid. Wut.

Edited December 6, 2013 by SterioDesign

[Triumph]

Parise seems overpriced now cause most people are comparing with older contracts with lower cap hit because of frontloaded structure and we're used to "this amount of money = top player, but its a new reality now. In the new CBA Zach has a pretty good cap hit. Look what Perry and Getzlaf got cap will go higher and salaries will raise too and adjust.

 

You have to factor in the CBRF - when Zach retires, the Wild will still be paying for him.  That is not the case with Getzlaf and Perry.

 

Of course Parise is worth his cap hit now - only the worst deals aren't worth it right away.  That's the idea.  You sign a guy for big money and he is great right away and then you hope he keeps it up.

Edited December 6, 2013 by Triumph

[Colorado Rockies 1976]

You have to factor in the CBRF - when Zach retires, the Wild will still be paying for him.  That is not the case with Getzlaf and Perry.

 

Of course Parise is worth his cap hit now - only the worst deals aren't worth it right away.  That's the idea.  You sign a guy for big money and he is great right away and then you hope he keeps it up.

 

Yep, this.  No one really thought Zach was going to go to Minnesota and suck right off the bat (and if they did, it was because such fans were pissed off about him leaving more than anything else), and he hasn't...he's performing to a very Zach-like level, and that was to be expected.  It's what he does in the later years.   

[Daniel]

In fairness, the guys on that list really didn't perform that badly (not at first, anyway), and Parise is putting up Parise-like numbers in Minnesota (still vastly overpriced though).  Holik and Gomez actually performed at the level they should've been expected to as Rangers, but Sather is one of those idiots who thinks paying guys like superstars and bringing them to Broadway is somehow going to make them exponentially better than they really are, and the idiot Ranger fans bought into that as well.  Gionta was overpaid, but definitely not to the silly level that Holik and Gomez were, and to his credit, he did score 57 goals in his first two Canadien seasons...and is their captain to boot. 

 

Not to mention that Sather managed to flip Gomez for one of the best defensemen in the league.  So far as the Rangers' signing of Holik, he could have done absolutely nothing and it wouldn't have really mattered since there wasn't a salary cap back then. 

 

All things considered, Sather hasn't really been that bad for the Rangers.  His biggest blunders were in the draft while he was still in control of it -- some time ago, I'm not sure when, he effectively ceded control of the draft to the scouts. 

[SterioDesign]

You have to factor in the CBRF - when Zach retires, the Wild will still be paying for him.  That is not the case with Getzlaf and Perry.

 

Of course Parise is worth his cap hit now - only the worst deals aren't worth it right away.  That's the idea.  You sign a guy for big money and he is great right away and then you hope he keeps it up.

 

Yup of course but that's really a "we'll cross that bridge when we get to it" situation. But look at all the teams we thought would be fvcked long term and this buyout thing came out of nowhere and boom, they we're free. Not impossible that in 6-7 years that they won't be able to get away with it too somehow. We got away with Kovalchuk too. There's ways. Gomez got the Rangers freaking McDonagh! 

 

So the point is, no one want to overpay players of course but do you want to put yourself in trouble right away in the present not signing a players scared of what will happen in 8 years?

 

Cause right now thats what the board looks like "We can't fvcking buy a damn goal and it's looking pretty bad for the next few years... but heyyyy we're not overpaying a player that could actually do it, all good."

 

of course im not saying a team should overpay players and ignore that. But it's a gamble for sure. But look at us right now, like... sweet we don't have long term bad contracts. But we also have no one to fill the arena and no one to score goals on a regular basis... Whats better? Not having top players is really hurting the team on the ice and for a marketing point of view too. 

 

Personally i'd take a Zach at 7.5m right now putting points and leadership and thinking that in 8 years the cap could be at 100 000m and that it would be a problem at all if the finances are there

Edited December 6, 2013 by SterioDesign