Sarge18 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) Overall its a good move. As has been said before its wonderful asset management. Salmela was not going to make the team full time and very well could have bolted after this year. Lou gets a guy to slot into the number 5 slot next to Salvador for what could be the best 3rd pair out there going into the playoffs. It also gives sutter all sorts of options with his pairings if he feels the need to give Martin more physical support. You will see Greene take the number 7 role, pushing Leech down to the number 8. Lou wanted to have some experience all the way through the defensive roster, and probably wasnt all that comfortable with his only extra d man having less that 30 nhl games experience, none in the playoffs. He now has a guy that can step in as a puck mover and on the physical side if need be. He is done with the defense. Trades that may still come... Well the goalie situation is unresolved still. While i doubt there are any moves made for a forward, there maybe a move for another depth guy, going into the playoffs will only 1 extra isnt great. The only guy in Lowell who has seen more than spot NHL time is Bergfors, and that is still less than 10 games worth. Someone like Tallackson or Davis who are suited for 4th line Duty wont be trusted with it. Just gotta shore up the nhl ready depth for a stretch run. Edit: i Forgot Rod Pelley, who may be brought up once the rosters expand as that last extra forward, while he doesn't have much upside, he has enough NHL games to know what is going on and doesn't cost an asset. Edited March 3, 2009 by Sarge18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 meh. he's +20 and has 8 minor penalties this year. i understand that his skillset overall is underwhelming, but he's done a pretty damn good job out there. That's why it's tough, he does a good job out there and he's a great value. I dunno, maybe this gets Oduya off PK and onto the PP, which would help with the puck-moving D department a bit. The two things that bother me with this team re: winning the Cup are point play/QB on the PP, which is doing much better statistically, but still looks iffy, and the lack of a second top end D. Granted, that's a luxury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exit56 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Just got the text message from the NHL announcing this.. apparently their system of "right when it happens" is 2 hours later... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matcat1116 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Just got the text message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devilsrule33 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I saw this move happening and mentioned it a few weeks back. It just seemed like getting a + guy on an awful Thrashers team was the right move and a move Lou wanted to make to upgrade the 6th spot. Salmela is going to enjoy Atlanta. There is a system where he can probably do whatever he wants. Time will tell if we lost a good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verran12 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I just checked a couple youtube threads on this Myles kid he's garbage. He's an enforcer that seems to fight everyone and get is @ss handed to him Similar to Thomas Harrison then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 quoting is screwing up for me: triumph hit it on the head - the devils are done on defense as far as adding. i think if lou can get a 3rd for andy greene, he does it. i think he'll also get whatever he can for either one of the goalies. re: salvador being dealt (he's got a NTC). he's been too good and even him for pronger doesn't make much sense. then again, i'd deal white but that's also not happening. lou could still land a forward, but if he did, it would be with an eye on next year as well (see my idea of hejduk). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DevilNurn Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Here's the thing about Salmela...Oduya learned how to play defense here, why couldn't Anssi? I think the difference is that Havelid has already learned to play defense, and him over Salmela or Greene is an immediate upgrade for the playoffs. I'm glad we got a pretty solid defenseman without giving up too much. I mean, I'll still be watching everything very closely for the next two days, as I feel like we're not done. But we still have chips, since Salmela wasn't solidly making our lineup. But Havelid is a definite upgrade, and I like this move in general. With the free agent market, it'll be nice to have an open roster spot come July for either a souped-up Greene (doubt it) or a free agent pickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sundstrom Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 another thing - great move by lou getting in on this early before havlid's price started to include draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOLDJR41 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Bicker back and forth all you will; the statement made today is pretty easy to understand: The New Jersey Devils organization is better w/ Niclas Havelid than it is with Anssi Salmela. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulags Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Nice move. Now is there any way we can deal Zubrus for someone who is not Zubrus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brickwall30 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I think this was a great trade because we get something for something we weren't going to use. I say that we weren't going to use salmella because if after all he one on one training they have given him with the likes of Jaques Lapperier, Scott Stevens, and Larry Robinson he hasn't gotten too the level of skill the Devils want him to be at he won't ever get there. This trade proves that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devils Pride 26 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Nice move. Now is there any way we can deal Zubrus for someone who is not Zubrus? Lou isn't that dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice dog Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 greene's been making solid plays lately, i don't have a problem with him as a 7th guy in the playoffs. i agree, if robinson was working with salmela perhaps he made the decision that he was not going to develop with the devils. salmela was absolutely horrific the last game...looked really lost in defensive zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kulags Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 He was dumb enough to sign Zubrus for 6 years. I'm sorry, maybe it's an irrational hatred, but dude is getting overpaid for utility work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTommo44 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 He's a left handed shot lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souray44 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Solid trade for NJ. Havelid has big game experience with both the Ducks in 03' and Sweden in the Olympics in 2006. That is what Lou cares about. He will do very well as a 4-6 dman and is another spoke in the wehhel. I have a feeling Lou is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellOnICE Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) I don't see the sense of trading Greener now. He's fine as the number 7 if Havelid/Martin/Oduya go down, and Leach is fine if Sal/White/Mottau go down. I like our defense right now. I said yesterday I'd be fine with a 3/4 guy (I wanted a 1/2 originally as the season went on), but I didn't think the Devils should have to give up assets/chemistry up front to do so. Lou did the best he could here. Our forwards are pretty damn good as is. I'm not sure what else you could add to them without giving up something valuable, which this isn't hte year to do. EDIT: Pando/Rupp are good 13th forwards, I wouldn't be opposing as to adding another depth forward to scratch..but would that affect roster spots? Who knows what happens from here on out, but if this is the roster going forward I'm perfectly comfortable expecting at the very least a trip to the eastern conference finals. For the first time since 2003, I think this team's gotta real shot at it. The qustion does this change the pairings around other than Greene out/Havelid in. Martin/Oduya Salvador/Havelid White-Mottau or something like Sal-Martin White-Oduya Havelid-Mottau Edited March 3, 2009 by HellOnICE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaRay Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Typical Lou deal: GREAT MOVE. This is the type of move we needed. More quality depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Fan Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Right now, I think Clemmer/ Weekes is the only deal Lou is gonna make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldply123 Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I think Marty is going to like having Havelid play in front of him. Very goalie-friendly defenseman, who is smart and doesnt make many mistakes, sound positionally. Hes become an even better defenseman since playing with the Ducks which is impressive considering how good he was there. He didnt get much attention because the Thrashers are terrible. Plus-defenseman playing on an awful team, hey, he must be doing something right. I actually wouldnt be stunned to see Lou maybe make another move, but considering whats out there, I doubt it. No front line center is available, which are the guys Lou has coveted for a couple yrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anhkheg Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 (edited) Zubes is money come playoffs. Havelid, a good solid pickup who will, most likely, re-sign with the team. Edited March 3, 2009 by Anhkheg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ4life Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Zubes is money come playoffs. Havelid, a good solid pickup who will, most likely, re-sign with the team. Agreed, Zubrus was one of a very few players that looked good last year in the playoffs. The last 2 games he's looked much better, he could have had a hat trick Saturday if he could just finish around the net. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmigliore Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 I don't see the sense of trading Greener now. He's fine as the number 7 if Havelid/Martin/Oduya go down, and Leach is fine if Sal/White/Mottau go down. I like our defense right now. I said yesterday I'd be fine with a 3/4 guy (I wanted a 1/2 originally as the season went on), but I didn't think the Devils should have to give up assets/chemistry up front to do so. Lou did the best he could here. Our forwards are pretty damn good as is. I'm not sure what else you could add to them without giving up something valuable, which this isn't hte year to do. EDIT: Pando/Rupp are good 13th forwards, I wouldn't be opposing as to adding another depth forward to scratch..but would that affect roster spots? Who knows what happens from here on out, but if this is the roster going forward I'm perfectly comfortable expecting at the very least a trip to the eastern conference finals. For the first time since 2003, I think this team's gotta real shot at it. The qustion does this change the pairings around other than Greene out/Havelid in. Martin/Oduya Salvador/Havelid White-Mottau or something like Sal-Martin White-Oduya Havelid-Mottau Considering the way our D has played, I expect the pairings to remain the same pretty much: Oduya-Martin White-Mottau Salvador-Havelid (Greene, Leach scratched) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrydevil Posted March 3, 2009 Share Posted March 3, 2009 Zubes is money come playoffs. Lucky for him he's got the luxury of being on a team that can carry him there. He should be due for another four-goal eruption come April. He could have had a hat trick Saturday if he could just finish around the net. We used to say things like this about Tom Chorske. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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