Rock Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Video review steams Devils http://www.northjersey.com/page.php?qstr=e...2Y3dnFlZUVFeXk2 Saturday, October 8, 2005 By TOM GULITTI STAFF WRITER PHILADELPHIA - The Devils' bigger problems Friday night, at least the way they saw them, lay with the officiating - both domestic and abroad. They chose to gloss over their glaring defensive zone breakdowns and their lack of composure once the Philadelphia Flyers got rolling. Along the way, a two-goal, second-period lead vanished as the Flyers stormed back with five consecutive tallies for a 5-2 victory at the Wachovia Center. The Devils' postgame assessment centered on the controversial second Flyers' goal, which tied the game at 2 with 1:12 remaining in the second period and required review by the in-house video goal judge and by officials at the league office in Toronto before it was counted. "Unless they have a different view than what we have, you can't see the puck going over," said Devils coach Larry Robinson, whose team fell to 1-1 on the season. "Every angle that we've got and every angle we've looked at, we looked at 100 times, slow motion and everything else, you cannot see the puck. And I do believe if it's inconclusive, it's not supposed to be a goal. "Maybe they have different rules in this building. I don't know." The shot from Simon Gagne, who also had scored the Flyers' first goal off a goal mouth feed from Peter Forsberg at 10:04 of the second, hit Devils defenseman Richard Matvichuk in front and then disappeared under goaltender Martin Brodeur. "It went off the inside of my leg and then off my toe," Matvichuk said. "I thought it rolled under Marty and that was the end of it." Brodeur appeared to reach back behind the goal line with his catching glove and Matvichuk also reached down with his right hand. According to NHL vice president of hockey operations Mike Murphy in Toronto, one replay angle showed Matvichuk clearing the puck out of the net with a "swishing motion" of his hand. When asked if he reached for the puck, Matvichuk said, "I don't even remember." Murphy said the video review was conducted in Toronto in conjunction with the video goal judge, Jim Doyle, in Philadelphia. Several Devils were told that the ruling was made in Toronto. "To my knowledge it's a phantom goal because I don't think it ever went in," Brodeur said. Still, Devils defenseman Colin White rightly pointed out that the "phantom goal" shouldn't have had such a negative effect on the Devils. "We've got to let that go and play hard," he said. "They came out on the first shift of the third period and scored. That's when the momentum changed." Jon Sim gave Philadelphia its first lead 39 seconds into the third, ripping a wrist shot over Brodeur's catching glove from the inner rim of the right circle. The Devils, who looked so confident in their 5-1 season-opening win over Pittsburgh on Wednesday, quickly unraveled after that. Michal Handzus gave the Flyers a two-goal cushion by finishing off a give-and-go with Mike Richards at 6:09 and former Devil Turner Stevenson finished off the scoring surge with a short-handed goal, beating his good buddy Brodeur with a softie from the right circle on the rush at 9:04, bringing derisive chants of "Mar-tee!" from the sellout crowd of 19,590. Brodeur also was at the center of another controversy. The Devils said that the league's new crackdown on obstruction, which restricts defensemen in their attempts to clear opposing players from in front, allowed the Flyers to repeatedly run the goaltender. "We're not allowed to cross check, but they're allowed to push the goalie into the net," said White. "They just want there to be more goals. They don't give a [darn] about the goaltenders." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Leeds Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Watch the replay. When Matvichuk is swooshing his hand, the puck is still under Marty's pad. It never went in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 They better stop their whining, run the other teams goalie and play (^*%^*&^# better next time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 One more thing, yeah it was a lousy call, a bad break, it was clearly a consolation goal to the Flyers for the early whistle and the goal they didn't get earlier. But if the Devils are dwelling on it and blaming the loss on that goal, they better take a long hard look at the other 3 in the third because if they don't, it's going to be a very very long season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
langs15 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I loved what Robinson said- "Maybe they have different rules in this building. I don't know." lmao very nice and I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 (edited) Liz, the problem is, when Parise was shoved into the Pens goalie (by a Pen) on opening night, Zach was called for interference. And he couldn't even have stopped himself from going into the guy. Apparently enforcement is not equal. So I don't think your idea of NJ running the other teams' goalies would work because I suspect they, unlike the Flyers, would be called for it. If they have decided that the Flyers can run Marty, then Zach shouldn't have been in the penalty box on Wednesday. That's all. Actually, he shouldn't have been there in any case. But you get my point. Either all goalies are fair game in the net, or none are. The league should make up its mind. Edit: Oh, and yes, they should play better next time as well, they shouldn't stop trying halfway through. Did they think Philly was going to lay down and die after they scored 2 goals? Edited October 8, 2005 by SueNJ97 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Sue, you're probably right, because for as long as I can remember, teams have always been allowed to run into Marty (refs figure it's the only way to score on him). But in this Flyer game it was blatantly going on all night. The cross check of Matvichuk should have been called interference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 (edited) I agree with both of Whitey's quotes - about there being no excuse for the team's performance in the third, and about running the goalies. It is ridiculous that when you're supposedly cracking down on obstruction the goalies are the only ones that don't benefit from it. If the goalie's way outside of his crease that's one thing, but otherwise they should not be targets for goons. EDIT: I'm not going to assume it's just an anti-Marty thing yet until I see more, for me the Parise call was either because the officials just flat-out missed it which happens, or they were trying to help Crosby in his first game. And I love Rheaume, but Oliwa has to play that game last night. Why is the enforcer on the roster if he's going to be a healthy scratch EVERY game? Last night was a game crying for his presence, and I thought this before the game it's not a second-guess. Edited October 8, 2005 by Hasan4978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 One way to test it, is for the Devils to get more aggressive around the net and see what happens. It's early in the season, this is the time to test the waters everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Sue, you're probably right, because for as long as I can remember, teams have always been allowed to run into Marty (refs figure it's the only way to score on him). But in this Flyer game it was blatantly going on all night. The cross check of Matvichuk should have been called interference. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Right. And then it wouldn't have mattered WHERE the puck was, because Gange's butt would have been in the box where it belonged and the play would have been dead. And Larry is correct in that unless there is a parade to the box on these kind of calls the Flyers, and other teams, will just think they can do it. And they will continue to do it. So, either call it consistently on everyone, not just on NJ, or don't call it at all. As for where the puck was, I thought I saw something under the side of Chuckie's glove on the replay. Sure looked like a puck to me. But I could have been hallucinating. However, if the refs had done their job correctly, wouldn't have mattered. In any case, I'm not sure any of it matters as to the outcome of the particular game since the team stopped playing hard sometime around the midpoint of the game. And once the Flyers had the momentum, they never let it go. However, it does matter in terms of what other teams think they can get away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GA Devil Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Whitey had a good day yesterday. That hit on Forsberg was just what the doctor ordered. Then he correctly says that the goal shouldn't have gotten the team all discombobulated. Now I just want to see more Devils standing up for their mates like the Flyers. White was confronted after that hit, did any Devil confront Forsberg after his unbelievably cheap shot on Parise? If not, that *has* to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizDevil30 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I think last night's game proves a Captain must be named. That the team has moved on from Stevens on the ice and in the locker room. Devils need a captain named, no more 3 A's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I think last night's game proves a Captain must be named. That the team has moved on from Stevens on the ice and in the locker room. Devils need a captain named, no more 3 A's. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yep, I agree. Do it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 well it kinda proved that rafalski may not be a good choice for the A... if you remember when the play was under review Madden took off to confer with the refs who told him to go away cause Raf was there I dunno if we need a captain but I do wonder about Raf and Alex as the A's though...White keeps talking like he is.. he may be that kinda guy (which scared me even a week ago to SAY).... I also wonder why Brylin got shunned the A also.. but that's just a guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJDevs4978 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Well as Stan pointed out pretty much no matter who you put the C on everyone knows Marty's the leader now, or at least he should become the leader in the locker room and everywhere else other than actually having the C on the ice. And from the rule that was posted a while back (about only having three A's when your C is unable to play) it's obvious Elias will be the on-ice captain. Having Mogilny over Brylin as an A at this point, eh, not what I would have done but Mogilny is kind of a Larry pet and he might actually be more vocal than most everyone else except Madden, Whitey maybe one or two others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueNJ97 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Well as Stan pointed out pretty much no matter who you put the C on everyone knows Marty's the leader now, or at least he should become the leader in the locker room and everywhere else other than actually having the C on the ice. And from the rule that was posted a while back (about only having three A's when your C is unable to play) it's obvious Elias will be the on-ice captain. Having Mogilny over Brylin as an A at this point, eh, not what I would have done but Mogilny is kind of a Larry pet and he might actually be more vocal than most everyone else except Madden, Whitey maybe one or two others. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well it is true that Mogilny does speak up on the ice, if he hadn't insisted they review it Brylin wouldn't have had the second goal on Wednesday. I'm just worried about what Alex actually says in the room...remember when Don was channeling him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 It wsa glossed over, but I think Doc mentioned that Rafalski wsa designated captain which is why the refs get madden away and Brian stayed. He is the teams player rep so that tells me he has the players respect. SO while there may not be a C on the jersey, it seems that the teams dedicate one tot he refs. unless I am reading to much into what Doc said. Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Sports Bureau Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Another journalist focuses his story on something and then says the rest of the game was glossed over when the questions he asked were about that very topic. And even beyond that, I don't think it was glossed over based on Whitey's comments at the end of the game. But beyond that, I was yelling carping the rest of the game on that. I have a new hockey fan in my midst, and was trying to explain how if you don't see the puck cross the line it CAN'T be a goal and yet that one stands. How are you supposed to make someone understand the rules if they don't live by them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe B Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 But beyond that, I was yelling carping the rest of the game on that. I have a new hockey fan in my midst, and was trying to explain how if you don't see the puck cross the line it CAN'T be a goal and yet that one stands. How are you supposed to make someone understand the rules if they don't live by them? I've alwasy said hockey is and will contiue to be the number 4 sport unless the refs improve. Two ref system has beena joke, maybe int he new NHL it will improve, but I doubt it. as a die hard the refs frustrate me so much I'm glad I had the year off. Can't imagine how a newbie can understand what is and isnt' suposed to be a penalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRASHER Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 I can't understand how if the off-ice officals can not determine the goal was in how they can call freaking TORONTO to find out this otherwise ?? I know all about getting the call right... but Jesus Christ, we've had two Stanley Cups determined by calls being WRONG in the last 6 years (2004 and 1999) but we need to call the league office for the second goal of the year ?? I'm not whining about it cause it's the 2nd game of the year and all... but geesh... all I want is consistency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satans Hockey Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Who cares if it went in or not for christs sake Turner Stevenson scored shorthanded. If that happens you deserve to lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyFan42 Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Colin White for captain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinnie Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 It's a shame we couldn't lose by only 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olesha Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 One way to test it, is for the Devils to get more aggressive around the net and see what happens. It's early in the season, this is the time to test the waters everywhere. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Definitely ... I was waiting for the replay of the game to start, so I was watching the Boston-Buffalo game ... there were at least three pileups in the crease that I saw with the goalie way on the bottom of it ... and no one was called for interference ... At one point they had to peel four guys off of him ... did that rule get deleted???? I'm in the no goal camp, but what really got me steaming was that replay or not, Gagne should have been called for interference, he pushed Matvichuk into Marty ... It's one game, it's over ... Devils need to go back to driving the net ... and they also need to knock a few guys on their butts whenever someone takes a run at Marty ... rumor has it that the official who made the call is under review ... but treat that like a Єklund (2.3% accurate) (2.3% accurate) rumor, got it from a flyers fan ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IhatetheFlyers Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 (edited) I'm just worried about what Alex actually says in the room...remember when Don was channeling him? What did Alex say? Edited October 9, 2005 by IhatetheFlyers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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