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Poll: Presidential Election/Unscientific Poll (42 member(s) have cast votes)

For those eligible, who are you voting for in November?

  1. Barack Obama (16 votes [39.02%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.02%

  2. Mitt Romney (16 votes [39.02%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.02%

  3. Other (8 votes [19.51%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.51%

  4. Eligible but not voting (1 votes [2.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.44%

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#141 Jerrydevil

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:31 AM

The person who says Obama governs as a centrist talks about rational thought. Get outta here!
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:46 AM

http://www.foxnews.c...s-romney-ahead/

The Associated Press-GfK poll showed Romney pulling 47 percent of likely voters to Obama's 45 percent -- a split within the margin of error


Margin of Error is +/-4.2 for likely voters, 839 responses.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:27 AM

The person who says Obama governs as a centrist talks about rational thought. Get outta here!

He governs more like a Republican than a centrist.

"This is a US election that defies logic and brings the nation closer towards a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state.

The Democratic incumbent has surrounded himself with conservative advisors and key figures — many from previous administrations, and an unprecedented number from the Trilateral Commission. He also appointed a former Monsanto executive as Senior Advisor to the FDA. He has extended Bush tax cuts for the wealthy, presided over a spiralling rich-poor gap and sacrificed further American jobs with recent free trade deals. Trade union rights have also eroded under his watch. He has expanded Bush defence spending, droned civilians, failed to close Guantanamo, supported the NDAA which effectively legalises martial law, allowed drilling and adopted a soft-touch position towards the banks that is to the right of European Conservative leaders. Taking office during the financial meltdown, Obama appointed its principle architects to top economic positions. We list these because many of Obama's detractors absurdly portray him as either a radical liberal or a socialist, while his apologists, equally absurdly, continue to view him as a well-intentioned progressive, tragically thwarted by overwhelming pressures."

http://www.political.../uselection2012
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 10:57 AM

http://www.foxnews.c...s-romney-ahead/



Margin of Error is +/-4.2 for likely voters, 839 responses.

Should have picked the gallup tracking poll if you wanted to cherry pick rosey numbers, they had Romney up 52-45 amongst LV's a few days ago.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:02 AM

Should have picked the gallup tracking poll if you wanted to cherry pick rosey numbers, they had Romney up 52-45 amongst LV's a few days ago.


Cherry picked? I used the poll that was released today. Every news organization is reporting this poll.

I guess if I used a month old poll that would have been less cherry picked. :lol:
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:28 AM

Cherry picked? I used the poll that was released today. Every news organization is reporting this poll.

I guess if I used a month old poll that would have been less cherry picked. :lol:

6 major polls are released daily as well as other scattered ones, it's more accurate to view them in aggregate. But, like I said if you were going to try and pick a poll that favored your guy, a few days ago gall up had him +7 and still has him +3, so I guess my point is less about you cherry picking to be disingenuous and more about "who cares one what given poll says".
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 11:34 AM

6 major polls are released daily as well as other scattered ones, it's more accurate to view them in aggregate. But, like I said if you were going to try and pick a poll that favored your guy, a few days ago gall up had him +7 and still has him +3, so I guess my point is less about you cherry picking to be disingenuous and more about "who cares one what given poll says".


Why not use the link I already posted? It's much more relevant than the one you posted and already made the point you wanted to make.

http://www.realclear...obama-1891.html

It's for Pennsylvania, which was the topic of discussion. GHDI asked for even one poll that showed Pennsylvania is close and am showing him a poll that has Romney in the lead.

That's neither cherry picking nor disingenuous.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 01:31 PM

Devilsfan26, you are trying way too hard to make a square peg fit in a round hole. President Food Stamps LOVES the welfare state and he loves big government. Welfare spending has exploded under his presidency. He would be right at home governing in western Europe. He would love to get single-payer health care, but it's not politically feasible in the US at this time. He can't be a Marxist and use drones to kill people? Don't think so.

Taken IN context, President Obama revealed his true self when he said "you didn't build that." He told the American people that we can thank the government for building "roads and bridges" (god, does this broken-record president love to say "roads and bridges") so that the private sector can exist. From this conservative's point of view, he's got it backwards. The roads are built to serve the needs of the private sector ... the people. The private sector is the master, and government is the servant. Obama believes just the opposite, which makes him a statist, Marxist, socialist ... they all fit.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 02:07 PM

Why not use the link I already posted? It's much more relevant than the one you posted and already made the point you wanted to make.

http://www.realclear...obama-1891.html

It's for Pennsylvania, which was the topic of discussion. GHDI asked for even one poll that showed Pennsylvania is close and am showing him a poll that has Romney in the lead.

That's neither cherry picking nor disingenuous.

Fair enough I didn't see your first link on the bottom of page 7. I still don't understand why you cited a Romney +2 national poll if you are trying to make the case that PA is competitive.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 02:58 PM

From this conservative's point of view, he's got it backwards. The roads are built to serve the needs of the private sector ... the people. The private sector is the master, and government is the servant. Obama believes just the opposite, which makes him a statist, Marxist, socialist ... they all fit.


More importantly, he missed the point that a thriving private sector is what pays for the roads and schools that everyone gets to use. If you don't believe this, just ask why Detroit has most of its budget paid for by taxpayers that don't live in Detroit, or think of what would happen to the NYC public school system if all the 1 percenters decided to move out.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:08 PM

Devilsfan26, you are trying way too hard to make a square peg fit in a round hole. President Food Stamps LOVES the welfare state and he loves big government. Welfare spending has exploded under his presidency. He would be right at home governing in western Europe. He would love to get single-payer health care, but it's not politically feasible in the US at this time. He can't be a Marxist and use drones to kill people? Don't think so.

Taken IN context, President Obama revealed his true self when he said "you didn't build that." He told the American people that we can thank the government for building "roads and bridges" (god, does this broken-record president love to say "roads and bridges") so that the private sector can exist. From this conservative's point of view, he's got it backwards. The roads are built to serve the needs of the private sector ... the people. The private sector is the master, and government is the servant. Obama believes just the opposite, which makes him a statist, Marxist, socialist ... they all fit.

Obama does not support single payer. if he did he would have at least had it on the table when starting to put together the Affordable Care Act. In fact he even said in one of the debates before he was elected that he was against single payer. Instead it was never even part of the discussion and he even nixed the public option because he is more beholden to appeasing the insurance companies than achieving universal healthcare, and because he knew the Democratic voters would continue to hail him regardless of how watered down his healthcare "reform" law ended up being. He loves more government control but guess what, so does Romney. If Romney was seriously against big government, wouldn't he be against indefinite detention, the Patriot Act, SOPA/PIPA, drones spying on citizens, etc? This is why Gary Johnson is the right choice for small government people.

Obama and Romney can say what they want, it's all pandering for votes until they actually do what they say, and if you look at how Obama has actually governed, he is not at all the Marxist that the Republicans make him out to be, nor is he this fresh progressive that the Democrats make him out to be. He is not far off from just being an extension of George Bush's term except with more corrosion of our civil liberties.

Edited by devilsfan26, 25 October 2012 - 07:12 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:19 PM

You make some good points there, Devils26. The reason why the Obama administration is not all that different than Bush's is because Bush was so far from fiscally conservative it wasn't funny! Bush was a pretty bad president ... but he did get bipartisan support for his wars and big money social programs unlike Obama, who simply cannot work with Republicans.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 07:54 PM

Why include polls that are over a month old? Nobody cares what the polls were a month ago.

http://www.realclear...obama-1891.html

So the last 5 polls listed have Obama up a few points, but often within the margin of error for the poll.

I'm not saying Romney will win PA, but it's not a guarantee Obama wins either.

Since it's beyond rational thought and you like to bet, I'll lay out $2 to your $100 dollars that Romney wins PA. :lol:

Also, Ryan just visited PA over the weekend.


I just copy/pasted the first ten on RCP, which is where that post's info came from. The older posts are there to show trends or lack thereof. Its tightened some, but that's not an oddity in an election with an incumbent with a poor first debate (Bush had the same problem).

No. The majority of them are outside the margin of error. Obama is also at 50% in the majority of them in 3/4 released since 10/21, which is considered "the magic number" polling.

Rasmussen 10/24 +5 51% (MOE is 4.5) Again, Rasmussen is largely accepted as being a right leaning poll.
http://www.rasmussen...vania_president

I'm saying that Romney will not win PA and that its a guaranteed Obama win. $100 bucks on the line to anyone who takes the bet.

Oooooh Ryan was there! Ryan was also in Georgia today. Does anyone think Georgia is actually competitive and could go to Obama? The head of the ticket has not been there in months, and again, Romney has not spent any ad money there in a while since the voter ID law was struck down and neither have any Super-PACs. They also moved the communications director out of PA to VA because there's an actual contest there. No ad money. No visits. They don't think they have much of a chance. 2004 Bush basically parked his ass in PA the last month of the campaign, because it was actually tight.

Again, show one PA poll where Romney is leading. You showed a +2 Romney national poll where the polled can be taken from any state. National polls are far less reliable in deciding an election that will be decided by 5-6 states.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 08:46 PM

You make some good points there, Devils26. The reason why the Obama administration is not all that different than Bush's is because Bush was so far from fiscally conservative it wasn't funny! Bush was a pretty bad president ... but he did get bipartisan support for his wars and big money social programs unlike Obama, who simply cannot work with Republicans.

He seems to work with Republicans pretty well when it comes to the wars and giving the government more power over its citizens, as well as other things like continuing to allow genetically-modified food to be produced without having to be labeled as such.
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:03 PM

I am in Pennsylvania now. Maybe I should do some polling at the Great Wolf Lodge!
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Posted 25 October 2012 - 09:32 PM

:lol: I had been doing a project all night. I had misread the national poll since I had googled for the PA realpolitics polling.
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Posted 27 October 2012 - 12:07 PM

Obama does not support single payer.


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Posted 27 October 2012 - 03:46 PM

That was almost a decade ago. He specifically said in one of the 2008 presidential debates that he does not support single payer. If he supported single payer he wouldn't have completely shut it out of the discussion when trying to implement the Affordable Care Act.
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Posted 01 November 2012 - 04:03 PM

Romney leads Obama in 1 PA poll, linky, 49-45:

"A new poll shows Republican Mitt Romney leading in Pennsylvania, a state that Republicans had all but written off just weeks ago but which is now listed as a toss up by the Real Clear Politics website.
Susquehanna Polling and Research provided The Washington Examiner with a poll it conducted for state party officials that shows Romney with a 49 percent to 45 percent lead over President Obama.
It's the first poll to show Romney leading among likely voters in the Keystone State."



Just sayin....


Edit notes: Sorry, the quote feature is all wonky. Can't change font to something legible to old people like me.

Edited by devilsadvoc8, 01 November 2012 - 04:04 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:19 AM

Romney leads Obama in 1 PA poll, linky, 49-45:



Just sayin....


Edit notes: Sorry, the quote feature is all wonky. Can't change font to something legible to old people like me.

Not really a new poll when it's from 3 weeks ago. FWIW Susquehanna has been constantly polling Romney as close in PA compared to their peers, they are either the only one that is right, or they have a conservative tilt.
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