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#1 CarpathianForest

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:35 PM

So I was reading Puck Daddy's post on yahoo news and he posted a link to an article about a possible trade idea for Brian Burke. The Devils weren't specifically mentioned, but it got me to thinking. Kessel has two years remaining on his contract with the Leafs at 5.4 mil per season. I think it would be a possible decent trade to send something Toronto's way for Kessel.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:38 PM

Unless we can give up basically garbage to get him, or one of the defenseman we would have to give up anyway, I wouldn't touch that guy with a five foot pole.

True, Semin's got the same baggage. But you don't have to trade anything for him, and he can also agree to go to the KHL if it's not working out.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:38 PM

Well that's be great but hat would to propose? I could see the demand pretty high
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:39 PM

Why bother blowing up your team for this guy when you can sign Semin.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:42 PM

So I was reading Puck Daddy's post on yahoo news and he posted a link to an article about a possible trade idea for Brian Burke. The Devils weren't specifically mentioned, but it got me to thinking. Kessel has two years remaining on his contract with the Leafs at 5.4 mil per season. I think it would be a possible decent trade to send something Toronto's way for Kessel.


I have a really tough time thinking we'd have a shot at this considering what Toronto gave up just to get him. I think it would take a good roster player, one of our best prospects, and I imagine Burke would try to get a 1st round pick out of the deal. Burke's going to get a high return for Kessel because he's got that contract. Its not a guy about to go UFA. Just like Nash and Ryan.

I would take Kessel over Nash and Ryan, but I don't think we have the assets to do it without giving up Henrique or Josefson at the minimal. I doubt Burke would even want Josefson.

Unless we can give up basically garbage to get him, or one of the defenseman we would have to give up anyway, I wouldn't touch that guy with a five foot pole.


Why not?? He's coming off an 82 point year and is only 24. The guy is an absolute beast. He's clearly getting better every year, especially when it concerns assists.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:44 PM

Considering what Burke got to get him, and all the heat and backlash he got for the move, there is no way he is trading him. And if he did, the offer would have to be so outrageous, it make no sense. Burke, also, isn't looking for young players, prospects and certainly not draft picks. He needs talent to win now.

In conclusion, Phil Kessel might be one of the most untouchable players in the game.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:46 PM

I think moving a couple pieces could work to get Kessel. It really depends on what Toronto needs. We're loaded at D and TOR needs some good D Men.
While Kessel is an amazing player, he's not a game breaker in Toronto which I think makes him a bit more affordable in a trade. Plus, he doesn't have much hype surrounding him like Nash and Ryan.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:47 PM

Considering what Burke got to get him, and all the heat and backlash he got for the move, there is no way he is trading him. And if he did, the offer would have to be so outrageous, it make no sense. Burke, also, isn't looking for young players and prospects. He needs talent to win now.

In conclusion, Phil Kessel might be one of the most untouchable players in the game.


Yep. I think Kessel would be next to impossible for us to acquire without severely hurting this team.

It'd be one thing if he was a year from UFA and told Burke he wouldnt stay there, but with his cap friendly contract and the fact he is only 24, I doubt Burke would even answer the phone lol.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:48 PM

I think moving a couple pieces could work to get Kessel. It really depends on what Toronto needs. We're loaded at D and TOR needs some good D Men.
While Kessel is an amazing player, he's not a game breaker in Toronto which I think makes him a bit more affordable in a trade. Plus, he doesn't have much hype surrounding him like Nash and Ryan.

Toronto will never trade Kessel unless they get something massive in return. Kessel was their offense last year. Thats the reason why Lupul had such a monster year.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:48 PM

I think moving a couple pieces could work to get Kessel. It really depends on what Toronto needs. We're loaded at D and TOR needs some good D Men.
While Kessel is an amazing player, he's not a game breaker in Toronto which I think makes him a bit more affordable in a trade. Plus, he doesn't have much hype surrounding him like Nash and Ryan.


Kessel is arguably the best American in the game right now.

Burke gave up a sh!tload just to get him. I really don't think a "couple pieces" would do it and there's probably not one D-Man on our roster outside of Larsson that could be a centerpiece.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 02:51 PM

Well it was just a thought. You guys are right. Lou has already made a big splash adding Krys Barch.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:00 PM

Well it was just a thought. You guys are right. Lou has already made a big splash adding Krys Barch.

+1 I was so excited I nearly :puke:

Edited by Devs1965, 09 July 2012 - 03:00 PM.

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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:03 PM

Kessel is arguably the best American in the game right now.


I would rather have: Parise, Kessler (when healthy), Schneider, Suter, Patrick Kane, Bobby Ryan, Joe Pavelski, Paul Statsny, Dustin Brown.

And if we're going on future consideration, I'd also rather have Seth Jones and Galchenyuk. You could even stretch things a bit and say Couturier (was born in Phoenix).

As you can tell, I'm not that high on Kessel. He's certainly talented, but he clearly hasn't lived up to expectations in Toronto. His talent also does not make up for how soft he is.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:05 PM

I would rather have: Parise, Kessler (when healthy), Schneider, Suter, Patrick Kane, Bobby Ryan, Joe Pavelski, Paul Statsny, Dustin Brown.

And if we're going on future consideration, I'd also rather have Seth Jones and Galchenyuk. You could even stretch things a bit and say Couturier (was born in Phoenix).

As you can tell, I'm not that high on Kessel. He's certainly talented, but he clearly hasn't lived up to expectations in Toronto. His talent also does not make up for how soft he is.


Quick isn't in that list?
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:08 PM

As you can tell, I'm not that high on Kessel. He's certainly talented, but he clearly hasn't lived up to expectations in Toronto. His talent also does not make up for how soft he is.


How can he live up to expectations on a bad team? He had 82 points last year, by FAR the statistical leader on that team. Career high in goals and assists last season. What do you want him to do? 100-120? He has never had enough around him there. That is almost a laughable statement to make considering the Leafs always have high expectations even if they were in last place the year prior.

I have never heard anyone call Phil Kessel soft. The dude is a cancer survivor and always produces and has never played less than 70 games and has been in the league since he was 18.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:12 PM

Quick isn't in that list?


Yes definitely. Forgot about him.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:14 PM

It could be argued that Kessel isn't that untouchable. Burke traded what eventually ended up being Tyler Seguin for Kessel. If you've ever read Down Goes Brown you would know that that whole trade is viewed as a mighty debacle my many Tor fans.
Housen is basically open to exchanging his first class tickets for a bunch of coach in moving Nash. Why can't it be possible to move some pieces for Kessel?
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:14 PM

I would rather have: Parise, Kessler (when healthy), Schneider, Suter, Patrick Kane, Bobby Ryan, Joe Pavelski, Paul Statsny, Dustin Brown.

And if we're going on future consideration, I'd also rather have Seth Jones and Galchenyuk. You could even stretch things a bit and say Couturier (was born in Phoenix).


Couturier is Canadian. He was born in the states to Canadian parents, but plays for Canada in international and was raised in Canada. His father was playing in Phoenix at the time.

Would you rather have Parise at 7.5 for 13 years or Kessel for 5.4 right now?

Kane is the only name on that list that I would consider over Kessel. The rest of the guys you list are good players, but none provide the scoring touch Kessel does.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:20 PM

How can he live up to expectations on a bad team? He had 82 points last year, by FAR the statistical leader on that team. Career high in goals and assists last season. What do you want him to do? 100-120? He has never had enough around him there. That is almost a laughable statement to make considering the Leafs always have high expectations even if they were in last place the year prior.

I have never heard anyone call Phil Kessel soft. The dude is a cancer survivor and always produces and has never played less than 70 games and has been in the league since he was 18.


82 points was his best season, either as a member of the Bruins or Leafs. Before that he never topped 65 points.

Obviously I meant "soft" on the ice. Don't take my word for it though, other NHLers feel the same way, and by a wide margin at that. My link

Again, he's a good player, but certainly not close to being the best US born player. And if he were that good, it would be harder for people to say how much Burke got butt-raped in that deal. Basically, nobody would be saying the same thing had he made the same deal for Parise, or many of the other players I mentioned above.
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Posted 09 July 2012 - 03:23 PM

Would you rather have Parise at 7.5 for 13 years or Kessel for 5.4 right now?


Value relative to how much he's getting paid is a different issue than how good he a player he is. And if the Devils could afford it pocketbook-wise, I'd take Parise at his current deal.
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