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Posted 01 January 2013 - 01:57 PM

Well the Ford family is supposedly very loyal. He did build the Lions steadily up from historically bad to a respectable 10-6 last year. I bet that buys him some time. Still i thought...imagine he gets fired and joins Rex in Pettine's old role and is then joined by Norv Turner. You'd have the most hated, polarizing coaching staff in football.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:35 PM

I am surprised that Schwartz still has a job in Detroit


Not only that, they EXTENDED him :blink:

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 03:42 PM

..imagine he gets fired and joins Rex in Pettine's old role and is then joined by Norv Turner?


TJB suggested the Jets might reassign Sparano because they owe him 2 more years of contract. I would love to keep him onboard to help as an o'line coach, and to help with the RB's and running game. Maybe have him take DeGuglielmo's job.

..ya gotta remember the original plan last season was to have co-offensive coordinators; Tony Sparano & Todd Haley. Fist-Pump was the first to sign on, with Haley expected to come in shortly after. Then at the 11th hour, Haley told the Jets to go fvck themselves, and we had to scramble up a Plan'B. Say what you will about Sparano, but he transformed a 28th ranked running game, into one that finished nearly Top 10 in 7 weeks. I would love to add Norv Turner as the Passing Coordinator \ Assistant Head Coach, with Sparano replacing DeGuglielmo.

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Posted 01 January 2013 - 07:43 PM

Wait a minute. Because you inflated your stats against the likes Jax, Arizona, Buffalo, Tennesee and lower rung teams you hailing Sparano as an offensive genius?
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

Wait a minute. Because you inflated your stats against the likes Jax, Arizona, Buffalo, Tennesee and lower rung teams you hailing Sparano as an offensive genius?


no, merely saying Sporano is perhaps best served in a different role, after all he is a true O-Line coach. The Jets run game doesn't boast much talent or home run hitters, but they did improve as the season progressed. Plus a former turnstyle Vlad Ducasse actually turned into a pretty decent run blocker under Sporano.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:38 PM

I thought Callahan did a great job before he left in that role. I could see Soprano as more of an O-line coach than an OC.
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Posted 01 January 2013 - 08:54 PM

Reassigning Tony Sparano and acquiring Norv Turner would be the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned. If you're Rex however, you better have rear-view mirrors installed on your headset. Not much comfort being HC with 2 guys behind you that have over 80 wins combined as a Head Coach since 2007, and have experience coaching playoff games.

..this is the biggest upcoming season for Ryan yet. If the Jets miss the playoffs, he's done!
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 07:12 AM

I don't think Rex has anything to fear as Sparano is never going to be an NFL head coach, just not a very good coach in general and Turner has proven even with talent he can't go very far. Turner has NOTHING to work with IF he came to the Jets.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 08:02 AM

Reassigning Tony Sparano and acquiring Norv Turner would be the best of both worlds as far as I'm concerned. If you're Rex however, you better have rear-view mirrors installed on your headset. Not much comfort being HC with 2 guys behind you that have over 80 wins combined as a Head Coach since 2007, and have experience coaching playoff games.

..this is the biggest upcoming season for Ryan yet. If the Jets miss the playoffs, he's done!


Sparano is not likely to get another head coaching job and seems to be climbling down the ladder, if anything (though he still has the OC job as of today), and God knows how Turner managed to hang onto his job as long as he did with the Chargers. He's 114-122-1 in three stops ('Skins, Raiders, and Chargers), and never really impressed in any of them. He had talent to work with in San Diego too, so it's not like his record there (56-40) is really all that impressive (especially when he was criticized on an almost yearly basis there). That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if he got one last chance somewhere, though I think he'll probably have to impress a LOT as an OC somewhere before he'd get a 4th shot to be a head coach.

If Sparano ever was given the Jets' HC job, the organization would be roasted and ridiculed daily.

If Turner was given the job after a successful OC run, especially as a Jet, it wouldn't be nearly as criticized, though his past follies would be brought up quite a bit, especially if the team were to start slowly under his watch...the only thing that can really be said about Turner's coaching career is that he somehow avoids the ax, as he's coached 237 NFL games, despite never being considered a particularly good head coach. But if he came here as the OC, got Sanchez and Co. going, and the team still wasn't winning...he'd be like the back-up QB when the starting QB is struggling...more and more people would want to see him get a shot. But that's probably getting way ahead of ourselves.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:37 AM

Looks like Andy Reid is going to be the front-runner for the Cardinals job.

If the Saints had their way, Steve Spagnolo would be fired.

Saban is lying again says he's not leaving the college ranks.

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 09:44 AM

Sparano is not likely to get another head coaching job and seems to be climbling down the ladder, if anything (though he still has the OC job as of today), and God knows how Turner managed to hang onto his job as long as he did with the Chargers. He's 114-122-1 in three stops ('Skins, Raiders, and Chargers), and never really impressed in any of them. He had talent to work with in San Diego too, so it's not like his record there (56-40) is really all that impressive (especially when he was criticized on an almost yearly basis there). That being said, it wouldn't surprise me if he got one last chance somewhere, though I think he'll probably have to impress a LOT as an OC somewhere before he'd get a 4th shot to be a head coach.

If Sparano ever was given the Jets' HC job, the organization would be roasted and ridiculed daily.

If Turner was given the job after a successful OC run, especially as a Jet, it wouldn't be nearly as criticized, though his past follies would be brought up quite a bit, especially if the team were to start slowly under his watch...the only thing that can really be said about Turner's coaching career is that he somehow avoids the ax, as he's coached 237 NFL games, despite never being considered a particularly good head coach. But if he came here as the OC, got Sanchez and Co. going, and the team still wasn't winning...he'd be like the back-up QB when the starting QB is struggling...more and more people would want to see him get a shot. But that's probably getting way ahead of ourselves.


I think the only way either one of them become the head coach on the Jets is as an in-season quick replacement for Rex after a slow start.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

Reid to AZ makes sense, worked with Kolb before, doesn't believe in running the ball....EVER....good for Fitz....doesn't believe in blocking, so no need to upgrade the awful O-Line there.....sounds good to me!!

I'm gonna laugh out loud and be mad all at once if Wisenhunt goes to Buffalo

Be nice to see this talk of an OC in Dallas come true....
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 10:57 AM

I don't think Rex has anything to fear as Sparano is never going to be an NFL head coach, just not a very good coach in general and Turner has proven even with talent he can't go very far. Turner has NOTHING to work with IF he came to the Jets.


I'm not suggesting that Sparano is a lock to return in a different role, but the way Woody hates eating contracts, I don't see him being a one-and-done guy with 2 yeas left on his deal. With DeGuglielmo, Cavanaugh, Pettine, Westhoff, Devlin, and Tannenbaum all either already gone or with one foot in the grave.. it would help to retain some sort of familiarity back to the team. With the exception(s) in keeping Ryan & Sanchez, the Jets have done their fair share in admitting their faults this season. -starting with bringing back Braylon. Rex has humiliated himself enough.. why pour salt on an open wound and fire the guy he handed picked as his OC, when you can simply reassign him to a role more suited for his skills?

..as far as Norv Turner goes, if he seriously wants another crack at being a Head Coach, he'll go to the Jets.
There's not many teams looking for a new OC as it is, and the ones that are don't nearly have as bad an offense as the Jets. Say he goes to the Steelers ranked 19th.. is he going to get recognition there with Big Ben as his QB? Or if the Eagles improve from 15th to 9th, how much publicity would\could he get? The Jets only have one way to go next season - up. If Norv took an offense ranked 30th, and even took it to 13th in one season, it would put him on the map. You know the Jets are going to spend on offensive talent this offseason, so why not sign on with a team that at least has a Top 10 running game and defense if you're Turner?
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 11:20 AM

Reid to AZ makes sense, worked with Kolb before, doesn't believe in running the ball....EVER....good for Fitz....doesn't believe in blocking, so no need to upgrade the awful O-Line there.....sounds good to me!!

I'm gonna laugh out loud and be mad all at once if Wisenhunt goes to Buffalo

Be nice to see this talk of an OC in Dallas come true....


They'd be better served signing Alex Smith if he's available.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:41 PM

Wisenhunt to Buffalo? Meh....this guy CHOSE Matt Leinart over Kurt Warner and he is a supposed offensive minded coach? Pass.

Lovie Smith? Last time Buffalo hired a former 'nice guy' coach from Chicago...it was Richard Jauron...PASS....

The biggest development for Buffalo is not a new coach, it is that Ralph Wilson will not meddle any longer and now they finally have a face of the franchise and 1 voice in Russ Brandon...he made some very interesting comments in his presser: 1. They will not spare any expense on hiring a Head Coach and 2. They are going to a 'Moneyball' analytics approach...Oh boy, this should be a sight to see.

I will believe Point 1 when I see it....

I would like to see Buffalo go after Chip Kelly, John Gruden, Mike Zimmer, or Syracuse Head Coach Barrone (who is very highly regarded by Belichek)

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Posted 02 January 2013 - 01:03 PM

Sanchez hasn't been a bust entirely...he has four playoff wins, and he played well in those games. His first-year numbers were dreadful, but that's not that uncommon for guys who become starting QBs in their first year. His postseason performance is by far the strongest part of his resume to date...his regular season numbers are pretty bad, especially in this era. He has now thrown for more picks than TDs, and all of his other regular numbers are not good.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 03:49 PM

Sanchez hasn't been a bust entirely...he has four playoff wins, and he played well in those games. His first-year numbers were dreadful, but that's not that uncommon for guys who become starting QBs in their first year. His postseason performance is by far the strongest part of his resume to date...his regular season numbers are pretty bad, especially in this era. He has now thrown for more picks than TDs, and all of his other regular numbers are not good.


Sanchez was successful because he had an OC that understood his stregths and weaknesses and didn't put him in a position to fail. I know the Jets fans don't want to hear this but Schott's game plans in the playoffs were brilliant en route to the AFC championship games. The team just didn't have the talent to go one more level.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 04:47 PM

Sanchez hasn't been a bust entirely...he has four playoff wins, and he played well in those games. His first-year numbers were dreadful, but that's not that uncommon for guys who become starting QBs in their first year. His postseason performance is by far the strongest part of his resume to date...his regular season numbers are pretty bad, especially in this era. He has now thrown for more picks than TDs, and all of his other regular numbers are not good.


Has there been a QB in the last twenty years that regressed as badly as Sanchez and gotten it back together? I can't really think of one.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:21 PM

Has there been a QB in the last twenty years that regressed as badly as Sanchez and gotten it back together? I can't really think of one.


He has his work cut out for him for sure...my point was that, in spite of some of the fugly numbers Sanchez has put up, he's not a total bust YET...when I think pure busts, I think guys like Ryan Leaf, Heath Shuler, etc. At least Sanchez has SOMETHING positive in his NFL career (good postseason numbers, and four postseason victories). There are QBs who can't say that.
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Posted 02 January 2013 - 05:25 PM

Others have been worse obviously but it's hard for me to think of one whose numbers are as bad as Sanchez's for four full years that got a fifth season. Alex Smith's the closest comparable I can think of offhand. He had 50 starts in his first six years (hurt for all of one season, started only parts of two others), while Sanchez has had 62 in four.

Smith - 864/1514 - 57.1 comp. pct, 53 total TD (2 rushing), 69 total turnovers (53 INT, 16 fumbles)
Sanchez - 1028/1867 - 55.1 comp. pct, 80 total TD (12 rushing), 89 total turnovers (69 INT, 20 fumbles)

It's actually striking how close the passing/turnover numbers are, not including Sanchez's extra 10 running TD's and the fact he has 350+ more passes in 12 more starts. Of course Smith had Harbaugh come in and I'm not sure any QB guru's going to walk through the door next year for us, certainly isn't Rex.

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