Keep the Devils In NJ

[oofrostonoo]

THIS IS A NEW PETITION!

Recently the topic of a move has been comming up more and more frequently. Please sign this NEW PETITION to help show your support. This is different than the origional in that it is much more professional and contains more compeling arguements. Please send this link to friends and co-workers, get signatures!

http://www.petitiononline.com/njdevnet/petition.html

[djstubbs]

Yes, I do want the Devils to stay in Jersey, but moving the Devils to Newark is an ignorant, and stupid move.

Its location right now is perfect in relation to traffic, because there is a lack of it, due to well contructed roadways, and alternate routes to the same locations.

If moved to Newark it would lead to many problems including crime, and traffic, among other things.

Obviously the Devils do not sell out every game, but they do sell out once a week, especially when a special event occurs, including Daneyko night, and Stevens day.

The only reason other teams like the NY Rangers sell out is because corporations send clients to the garden as a means of entertainment.

I don't know what clients want to see the two worst professional sports teams in their leagues but who knows. (RANGERS SUCK!)

If we moved to Newark, it would also be a horrible idea because, honestly who the hell wants to go to Newark? Hudson County is the most crime-infested in the state.

I believe the location of the current arena is perfect, the problem is fanbase and cost of tickets.

We all know that the Devils, and Nets are terrific teams, superior to the Rangers, and Knicks, but honestly no one wants to send clients to the swamp.

And besides that, do you honestly think 20,000 Newarkites are going to afford devils tickets?

You're going to lose fans by going to Newark, thats the simple solution.

Furthering yourself from NYC is a horrible idea.

I don't know what person could think of such a stupid idea.

This is what they should be doing...

[Jimmy Leeds]

If moved to Newark it would lead to many problems including crime, and traffic, among other things.

This is completely wrong.

The NJ PAC is in Newark and there has been NO substantial crime issues with regard to this.

This team is GONE at the end of the '06-'07 season if they don't go to Newark.

Case closed.

[djstubbs]

If moved to Newark it would lead to many problems including crime, and traffic, among other things.

This is completely wrong.

The NJ PAC is in Newark and there has been NO substantial crime issues with regard to this.

This team is GONE at the end of the '06-'07 season if they don't go to Newark.

Case closed.

First off what is NJ PAC?

Anyway, no there is no way we are going to Newark.

What are the benefits of Newark in terms of fanbase?

[Jimmy Leeds]

First off what is NJ PAC?

Anyway, no there is no way we are going to Newark.

What are the benefits of Newark in terms of fanbase?

New Jersey Performing Arts Center

Fanbase will decrease by some Northeners and pick up a lot from the central areas, including me.

Train in......train out.

[djstubbs]

The Northeners are the fanbase of the Devils, so moving the Devils away from a perfectly good arena is pointless.

If its the same difference to move northerners south, why not, not move and keep everything the same.

I just see no need for change.

The ferther south the devils go, the less fans it will have.

Most fans south of Bergen county and nearby, are Philthy fans.

Its just a dumb idea, that is only favored by those that don't want to travel North.

The Devils aren't going anywhere...

And I hope to keep it that way.

[Jimmy Leeds]

Most fans south of Bergen county and nearby, are Philthy fans.

You have no clue what your talking about.

[djstubbs]

I wouldn't be so sure about that if I were you.

Here let me explain.

-The roadways to Newark can't support the fans from North Jersey.

(they're too old)

-We would sell our season tickets, and so would the majority of the season ticket holders. (which are all from north jersey)

-No Newarkites can afford tickets, its not comparable to the success of MSG in NYC.

-Season ticket holders are the ones that pay the salaries, and by moving to Newark, you would lose all of those fans.

-The only one who wants to move them is the Mayor of Newark, and the lazy fans of the area, most of which wouldn't buy season tickets.

-The Meadowlands is perfect for the NJSEA, and moving them would be a move by the mayor of Newark, and would only benefit the fans of Newark and its neighboring areas, that wanted to see one or two games of 41 a year.

-Don't try to convince me that Newark is a superior location to the Meadowlands because its just not.

-I personally know a lot of people that have season tickets, and I can't recall any of them from Newark!

-You know that Newark can't support something like this, and just don't want to admit it.

-This isn't something that can be argued, its a simple fact that moving to Newark is a horrible idea, that the mayor of Newark came up with so he could make money on it, which he will if it goes through.

-Hopefully we can make a petition to keep the arena where it is.

Foremost, CHANGE IS NOT NECESSARY!

[David Puddy]

Foremost, CHANGE IS NOT NECESSARY!

Yeah, this team can survive drawing 10,000 fans a night. Who cares about the money.

[djstubbs]

Foremost, CHANGE IS NOT NECESSARY!

Yeah, this team can survive drawing 10,000 fans a night. Who cares about the money.

The mayor of Newark.

I just want the Devils close to home, and close to the majority of the season ticket holders.

[Jimmy Leeds]

Ever hear of 'Official Miconduct'?

Sharpe James is no great guy, but suggesting HE is going to make money if they move there is way out.

While your family sells it's season tix, others from Central Jersey will buy them. I for one only get to 4/5 games a year, buying maybe 1. That will change when they come to Newark. I will go to 5 paid games a year.

Where do you get the idea the purpose of moving to Newark is to get those residents to come, it's ot. They are hardly hockey astute.

Enjoy the Devs for the next 4 years, 'cause without a move to Newark, they are outta here.

[djstubbs]

Ever hear of 'Official Miconduct'?

Sharpe James is no great guy, but suggesting HE is going to make money if they move there is way out.

While your family sells it's season tix, others from Central Jersey will buy them. I for one only get to 4/5 games a year, buying maybe 1. That will change when they come to Newark. I will go to 5 paid games a year.

Where do you get the idea the purpose of moving to Newark is to get those residents to come, it's ot. They are hardly hockey astute.

Enjoy the Devs for the next 4 years, 'cause without a move to Newark, they are outta here.

5 Games a year, yeah that supports the team...

If the area is hardly hockey astute, then why should the devs move.

I just don't see the benefit in builiding a new arena, it would make taxes go up, and would create chaos.

No one wants them to move other than the lazy fans that only go to 5 games a year...

[DevilMinder]

During the pre-season the Flyers/Devils had game in Trenton at the Sovereign bank arena. Guess who had the most fans in attendance? Hint it doesn't start with a F.

There is more fans south of Bergen County then you give credit. I live 2 minutes from downtown Trenton. I am just as likely to see a Devils jersey as a Flyers jersey around here. The only real biased teams I have seen around here is the Eagles fans who are easily the number one team here.

But regarding the team moving issue, anyone who thinks the Devils can survive in CAA by themselves after the nets move out are only kidding themselves. Just look at Hartford they barely had time to organize a fan resistance before Buttman said Nascar country? Show me the way!

[arnie25]

Most fans south of Bergen county are Flyers fans??

Where did this statistic come from? It's ridiculous. I went to college at TCNJ and yes when you get out to Mercer county and some of the southern counties in NJ, you start finding a lot of Flyer fans, but I live in Monmouth county and work in Union county and there are few Flyer supporters around.

[djstubbs]

The devils are fine where they are.

Those of you that live south of Bergen county only want to travel less, and see that as an incentive.

In no way is there more of a fanbase that would come out if the team moved to Newark.

[Jimmy Leeds]

No one wants them to move other than the lazy fans that only go to 5 games a year...

Listen son, when your dad stops paying your way to games, talk to me about lazy fans.....

I've been going to Devs games since half a decade before you were even born, the last thing I have to do is justify myself to you.

Your arguments are weak and strictly based on emotions. The Devs go to Newark, your dad stop buying tix, and you don't get to go anymore.

Stop being so afraid of the unknown.

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

public transportation is the name of the game

[Jimmy Leeds]

Awesome avatar hsham, I always liked the "original" Claude!!

Disappeared.

[djstubbs]

No one wants them to move other than the lazy fans that only go to 5 games a year...

Listen son, when your dad stops paying your way to games, talk to me about lazy fans.....

I've been going to Devs games since half a decade before you were even born, the last thing I have to do is justify myself to you.

Your arguments are weak and strictly based on emotions. The Devs go to Newark, your dad stop buying tix, and you don't get to go anymore.

Stop being so afraid of the unknown.

Funny thing is, that I've probably gone to more games than you, so making a comparison as to how much you've been contributing to a team you want in such an obnoxious location as Newark is proposterous.

The Devils will never move to Newark.

And neither will the Nets.

The infastructure can't support it, and maybe you didn't realize that.

Your arguments are just as weak as the next guys.

[devilsfan26]

The lazy fans of the area???

So you think that the only reason why fans from around Newark do not go to every game is because they are lazy??

So are you saying that if you didn't have somebody pay for you, you would still purchase season tickets with your own money?

Many people have jobs, which interfere with their ability to get to the Meadowlands to watch a game. This makes them lazy?

Many people just can not afford season tickets. This makes them lazy?

So you are saying that I am a lazy fan, and that I just don't feel like traveling to CAA.

Here are a few reasons why I am not at every single game:

-I can not afford season tickets

-There isn't a person who buys season tickets for me

-I do not have a car yet

-I do not know anyone who is available to drive me to every single home game

-Nobody else in my family is a hockey fan, so they do not care about going to games.

You are saying that those are not valid reasons for why I do not have season tickets?

You should consider yourself very fortunate to have someone else buy season tickets for you and drive you to games, instead of calling everybody else lazy!!!

Edited January 19, 2004 by devilsfan26

[Weekes Head]

Wow...stubbs, I don't know who you are, but wow...I don't even know where to begin with your "arguement".

I mean, wow.

Lazy fans? Bullsh!t. That's just dumb. There are tons of fans, on this board alone, who cannot make it to games for various reasons ranging from health issues to lack of money -- going to a hockey game is an expensive night out, and when you take into consideration the age of the average fan along with HOW much that average fan makes, you're not goign to see them get to many games. A night out at the CAA for a family of four, even getting $20 seats is going to be well over 100 bucks when you take into consideration the amount of money paid for parking, hotdogs and sodas for the kids, a beer for the dad, coffee for the mom and a souvenier program as well. Now tell me, unless these fans are in the upper class making a pretty nice salary, how are they going to get season tickets, or go to a considerable amount of games a year?

Even if you don't want to use the family example, then games in general are expensive as hell. Just because you have someone else pay your ticket doesn't mean everyone else gets the same luxury. So don't talk about what you don't know, it just makes you sound like an ass.

Secondly, I don't know where you came up with the statistic that there's no fans south of Bergen. That's simply not true at all. Granted, the fan base might not be as large as you'd want it to be, but don't go and say it's completely Flyer country from there on out.

Don't even start with the "Newark is trash" arguement. I don't even have to go there myself, NewarkDevil could easily prove you wrong on that one.

And you say there's no need for change? Lovely. If you go by that idea, a couple years from now you'll be rooting for the Portland Devils.

Finally, I really think you should watch what you say. Insulting a poster like Leeds is pretty dumb, IMO. How could you say that you've gone to more games than he's ever gone to in a lifetime? You don't even know the guy.

I also tend to think YOUR arguement is the weak one, not Leeds'.

[Don]

(Why is everyone debating with a guy talking out of his *ss?)

[djstubbs]

Wow...stubbs, I don't know who you are, but wow...I don't even know where to begin with your "arguement".

I mean, wow.

Lazy fans? Bullsh!t. That's just dumb. There are tons of fans, on this board alone, who cannot make it to games for various reasons ranging from health issues to lack of money -- going to a hockey game is an expensive night out, and when you take into consideration the age of the average fan along with HOW much that average fan makes, you're not goign to see them get to many games. A night out at the CAA for a family of four, even getting $20 seats is going to be well over 100 bucks when you take into consideration the amount of money paid for parking, hotdogs and sodas for the kids, a beer for the dad, coffee for the mom and a souvenier program as well. Now tell me, unless these fans are in the upper class making a pretty nice salary, how are they going to get season tickets, or go to a considerable amount of games a year?

Even if you don't want to use the family example, then games in general are expensive as hell. Just because you have someone else pay your ticket doesn't mean everyone else gets the same luxury. So don't talk about what you don't know, it just makes you sound like an ass.

Secondly, I don't know where you came up with the statistic that there's no fans south of Bergen. That's simply not true at all. Granted, the fan base might not be as large as you'd want it to be, but don't go and say it's completely Flyer country from there on out.

Don't even start with the "Newark is trash" arguement. I don't even have to go there myself, NewarkDevil could easily prove you wrong on that one.

And you say there's no need for change? Lovely. If you go by that idea, a couple years from now you'll be rooting for the Portland Devils.

Finally, I really think you should watch what you say. Insulting a poster like Leeds is pretty dumb, IMO. How could you say that you've gone to more games than he's ever gone to in a lifetime? You don't even know the guy.

I also tend to think YOUR arguement is the weak one, not Leeds'.

I didn't mean to insult or bring controversy to the boards, I just want the Devils to stay where they are.

I take back a lot of what I said, including the lazy fans thing, among other stupid comments.

I don't know anyone on these boards, and regret what I said, I took it too far.

I shouldn't have insulted my fellow fans.

We all root for the same team remember.

I hope Leeds, and the rest of you who witnessed me runnin my mouth, allow me to take it back.

There are many reasons that the Devils should stay in the meadowlands, and a few reasons that they should move...

Its a costly one if they do though.

Hey leeds and everybody, sorry about that, I just got a little enraged after I was annoyed at something outside of the board.

Leeds & Roughdraft

[poohbear]

Wow, RD, I mean WOW!

And to think you did that in your debilitated state!

Have to agree with DJStubbs!

Edited January 19, 2004 by poohbear

[arnie25]

I don't think it makes anyone less of a fan just because they can or can't make it to every home game. I've been a Devils fan since elementary school and obviously couldn't get myself to games (nobody else in my family likes hockey) In high school I went to games at MSG, simply because it was convenient. I would take the train in when I could afford it. After I got a car and a job, I got season tickets. I don't think my level of loyalty rose any higher simply because I was watching the game live instead of watching in my living room. I don't think you can judge how much a fan someone is just by the number of games they attend.