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When will we see hockey?

  1. Oct 12 (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Nov 12 (19 votes [14.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.62%

  3. Dec 12 (26 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Jan 13 (33 votes [25.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.38%

  5. Feb 13 (1 votes [0.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.77%

  6. Mar 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Apr 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Oct 13 (14 votes [10.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.77%

  9. Never (27 votes [20.77%])

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#1561 SterioDesign

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:37 PM

also the thing is... i think we're playing 7 times against each teams of the division... and all of them got better, we didnt. by better i mean they either signed new guys or their young star players will be older with more experience. Pittsburgh lost staal but got crosby back too so they are not too bad either. Islanders have lost parenteau too but theres some good youngers in that organization but not sure if they are NHL ready
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

My patience ran out a month ago. I'm happy but I do think I will have some lockout fatigue. I want to punish the league somehow as well but I don't really have any recourse beyond my consumption decisions. This never should have gone on this long and I place most of the blame on the league owners for it.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:45 PM

also the thing is... i think we're playing 7 times against each teams of the division... and all of them got better, we didnt. by better i mean they either signed new guys or their young star players will be older with more experience. Pittsburgh lost staal but got crosby back too so they are not too bad either. Islanders have lost parenteau too but theres some good youngers in that organization but not sure if they are NHL ready


You're turning into one of these paranoid fans. The Flyers did not get better. Neither did Pittsburgh. I don't think the Rangers got much better. And the Islanders still have no defensemen.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:48 PM

I thought it was 5x4 in division. Then 3x10 vs test of conference
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:52 PM

also the thing is... i think we're playing 7 times against each teams of the division... and all of them got better, we didnt. by better i mean they either signed new guys or their young star players will be older with more experience. Pittsburgh lost staal but got crosby back too so they are not too bad either. Islanders have lost parenteau too but theres some good youngers in that organization but not sure if they are NHL ready

Really? I don't think any of the Atlantic teams got better.
Devils-lost Parise/Poni
Rangers-got Rick Nash but lost a lot of depth and key penalty killers
Flyers-lost Jagr/Carle/Pronger have many defensive injuries
Penguins- lost staal/Sullivan/Michalek/Asham, got Sutter
Islanders-lost parenteau gained visnovsky and carkner
Yeah all these teams have young players coming up but the devils have just as many as the other teams so I would say that's a wash considering you don't know how they will turn out.

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#1566 SterioDesign

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

You're turning into one of these paranoid fans. The Flyers did not get better. Neither did Pittsburgh. I don't think the Rangers got much better. And the Islanders still have no defensemen.


The flyers other than their horrible goaltending and an average Dcorp now that pronger is not there... Couturier, Read, Schenn, Simmonds and Giroux should all get better they are still young and not near their prime yet... i dont think hartnell and talbot will repeat tho, the rangers got new piece and their youngsters got good experience from the playoffs and will only get better but im not really afraid of the rangers it was a total fluke for them last year i still cant believe they even made the playoffs the way they were playing
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#1567 Triumph

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 02:59 PM

The flyers other than their horrible goaltending and an average Dcorp now that pronger is not there... Couturier, Read, Schenn, Simmonds and Giroux should all get better they are still young and not near their prime yet... i dont think hartnell and talbot will repeat tho, the rangers got new piece and their youngsters got good experience from the playoffs and will only get better but im not really afraid of the rangers it was a total fluke for them last year i still cant believe they even made the playoffs the way they were playing


Read is in his prime, so are Giroux and Simmonds. Forwards peak around 25 years old. They traded JVR for Schenn, a big step down. They lost Carle outright and replaced him with nothing. They lost Jagr, which I forgot about. Briere and Hartnell are entering the unhappy part of their careers. Who knows what they get from Bryzgalov and their backup goalie is Michael goddamn Leighton.

As for the Rangers, they lost a lot more than people think by dealing for Nash, that's not a huge gain. Remember how Krieder was going to be a star? He's treading water in the AHL. They do have a good young defense and not many older players, but they're still not remarkably better. And while I think Lundqvist is a tremendous goalie, he had one of the best seasons of all time and I wouldn't bet on him to repeat that.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:04 PM

Read is in his prime, so are Giroux and Simmonds. Forwards peak around 25 years old. They traded JVR for Schenn, a big step down. They lost Carle outright and replaced him with nothing. They lost Jagr, which I forgot about. Briere and Hartnell are entering the unhappy part of their careers. Who knows what they get from Bryzgalov and their backup goalie is Michael goddamn Leighton.

As for the Rangers, they lost a lot more than people think by dealing for Nash, that's not a huge gain. Remember how Krieder was going to be a star? He's treading water in the AHL. They do have a good young defense and not many older players, but they're still not remarkably better. And while I think Lundqvist is a tremendous goalie, he had one of the best seasons of all time and I wouldn't bet on him to repeat that.


yeah i guess youre right flyers lost a few pieces but i wouldnt consider them not as good... at the end of the day it always depend on their goaltender lol they often scorred 5 goals and still lost haha

as for the rangers... like i said... if they play the same system i just dont see them finishing that high, they got SO LUCKY just blocking shots and staying low in their zone all around the queen and were scoring sh!tty fluky goals back and forth. i simply cant see them repeat.

on a different note... you guys have a clue how much gamecenter is gonna cost for half the season? im guessing like $80-100 ?
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#1569 thefiestygoat

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:07 PM

I'm actually optimistic about the Devils this season. Sure losing Parise and Ponikarovsky and having Henrique injured right now hurts but I still think they'll make the playoffs and be competitive - and as a fan, that's all I ask for.

As it should....the NHL has become a VERY abusive relationship....they just got drunk and beat you again, and now that you're out of the hospital they come back with some cheap flowers and an I'm sorry luck..... frak that....I ain't spending a damned DIME on them this year......

Perfect description of the NHL - fan relationship.

I think it only helped the die-hards get into it, the ones who have the NHL Network (or TSN) and got up at 4 in the morning to watch most of the games aren't casual fans and this really had zero coverage in the US. Thankfully the gold-medal game was at 8 AM on a Saturday morning but still I really don't think the WJC mattered to casual fans. Maybe it helped the die-hards get back into it, remember why they love the game to start with.

Seeing the impact players from 'non-traditional' markets have made on the juniors team makes me hope the damage from the lockout doesn't last too long though.

I agree with you since the only people that I know that had an idea about the WJC was fellow die-hard fans. None of the bandwagoner fans that jumped on the Devils SC run last year that I talk to knew about it or cared at all.

My patience ran out a month ago. I'm happy but I do think I will have some lockout fatigue. I want to punish the league somehow as well but I don't really have any recourse beyond my consumption decisions. This never should have gone on this long and I place most of the blame on the league owners for it.

That fact it went on this long just makes it hurt that much more to me. I really agree that it should never have gotten to this point and I am really angry towards the owners for it.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:09 PM

Eh. We can't exactly say these other teams are worse while we're the same. Loss of Parise and Poni makes worse too. Those teams lost depth players, but not any of their main stars.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:11 PM

Saying the Devils finished 6th is a little bit of a cop out. The Devils finished with the 9th most points in the NHL and the 9th or 10th best goal differential in the league.

Florida finished "3rd" but with 8 less points than the Devils. The Devils had the 5th most points and then 8 points later was Florida in 6th.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:23 PM

Pittsburgh also had Crosby for 1/4 of the season. Of course they didn't get better where they really needed to though.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:30 PM

I'm not saying the devils are as good as they were while the rest of the teams got worse. I think all the Atlantic teams got worse. Maybe the isles are a little better. The addition of visnovsky is big for them, but with that being said he doesn't even want to play for them. I think a 5th or 6th place finish again for our boys is very realistic.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Nash is not a Rangers player in the mold of the team Tortarella wants to build. Plus they lost 2 guys that fit their system quite well in Anisimov and Dubinsky. Plus Tim Erixon and a 2013 1st. That's not nothing. Quite a nice package for Columbus. Nash has never played defense. Nor is he a good passer/playmaker. Rag fans are going gaga over this guy...I don't sense a happy ending for him in NY
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:47 PM

Nash is not a Rangers player in the mold of the team Tortarella wants to build. Plus they lost 2 guys that fit their system quite well in Anisimov and Dubinsky. Plus Tim Erixon and a 2013 1st. That's not nothing. Quite a nice package for Columbus. Nash has never played defense. Nor is he a good passer/playmaker. Rag fans are going gaga over this guy...I don't sense a happy ending for him in NY


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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:48 PM

We need to zero in on Bobby Ryan...we have the pieces to get him. Would suck if he slipped to someone in our conference...or worse division
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Torts has a different strategy this season. He might be more susceptible to open up the offense this season.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:50 PM

We need to zero in on Bobby Ryan...we have the pieces to get him. Would suck if he slipped to someone in our conference...or worse division


Even worse if NJD give up assets to get him then he jumps ship to Philadelphia the first chance he gets.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

Nash is not a Rangers player in the mold of the team Tortarella wants to build. Plus they lost 2 guys that fit their system quite well in Anisimov and Dubinsky. Plus Tim Erixon and a 2013 1st. That's not nothing. Quite a nice package for Columbus. Nash has never played defense. Nor is he a good passer/playmaker. Rag fans are going gaga over this guy...I don't sense a happy ending for him in NY


yet everyone said the same thing about Kovy in NJ
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:10 PM

I also kindve am disappointed we let poni go.

Also hoping we didn't lose too many new ST holders that came aboard as a result of our great sc run.
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