caron14 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Larionov want to meet Edmonton Gm about Yakupov situation. If he is on the market, would you like to see him here? If yes, what can we give to edmonton for him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 i wouldnt in the way that there's already rumours about him going back to Russia + he already seem to be going against what the coach is saying. He's young and could improve but throwing lots of assets on another guy who could leave for the KHL fvck that. We've already lost so fvcking much without getting anything in return we absolutely cant take anymore chances. I'd rather put my efforts on a Canadian/US guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Rockies 1976 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 i wouldnt in the way that there's already rumours about him going back to Russia + he already seem to be going against what the coach is saying. He's young and could improve but throwing lots of assets on another guy who could leave for the KHL fvck that. We've already lost so fvcking much without getting anything in return we absolutely cant take anymore chances. I'd rather put my efforts on a Canadian/US guy. Figured you'd find a way to work that in. Nice job. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 No, the only player the Devils have who could go in a deal for Yakupov is Adam Larsson and I'm not trading him for Yakupov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadDog2020 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Stay the fvck away from that guy. We went through enough with Kovalchuk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 I would take him in a heartbeat. Incredibly skilled player who is going through some growing pains like many young players. He led all rookies in goals and scoring last year I believe. I doubt he is a flight risk. He chose to sign with the Sarnia Sting instead of playing in the MHL (russian junior league) or KHL when he had the choice. He wants to be an NHL player. I would easily trade Larrson or Gelinas + others for him, even as Gelinas becomes one of my favorite players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThreeCups Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Is it possible to put some extremely high financial penalty into the contract if they leave for another league??!!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilsfan118 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Not a chance in hell I would ship out Larsson for another Russian with attitude problems. Gelinas + would work, but Yak couldn't be acquired for that little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Lol @sterio. Agree with triumph Larsson is a much safer bet not only to stay long term but to be a better player. Yakopov screams boom or bust (especially if he's flirting with the khl). Plus top end dmen are the hardest to find or develop, while wingers are much easier to grab by free agency or trade. Let him be somebody else's problem and I'll happily keep the player that is quickly turning into a top pairing d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) I would take him in a heartbeat. Incredibly skilled player who is going through some growing pains like many young players. He led all rookies in goals and scoring last year I believe. I doubt he is a flight risk. He chose to sign with the Sarnia Sting instead of playing in the MHL (russian junior league) or KHL when he had the choice. He wants to be an NHL player. I would easily trade Larrson or Gelinas + others for him, even as Gelinas becomes one of my favorite players. It's not about whether he's a flight risk - because of course he is. Burmistrov played in Owen Sound for his junior career. Now he plays in Russia. It's another set of teams who are A: always willing to pay more money and B: always willing to offer more ice time. So if Yakupov feels disrespected in North America he can go play a season or two over in Russia, or maybe just stay there the rest of his career. I doubt it happens, but the threat is always there at contract time, which would usually mean paying him more than he would otherwise be worth. Meanwhile if you look at the best Swedish players in the league, almost all of them have incredibly team-friendly deals. Edited November 12, 2013 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgeControl Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 will he fit and play the devils system? im not that familiar with his game. only 4 shots in last 5 and a -14, oilers cant get out of their own way lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ELIAS6 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Stay the fvck away from that guy. We went through enough with Kovalchuk. this... on point Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 We don't run a system that is conducive to his style of play. He is worse than Tedenby in the defensive zone. While he is skilled offensively, he would never work here. No way I trade any of our top assets (Larsson, Gelinas or Merrill) for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devil Dan 56 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 He's already had issues this season about wanting to play his own game vs playing the Oilers system. Sounds like a coaching nightmare, and our coach has his hands full already. It doesn't seem like it's worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 We don't run a system that is conducive to his style of play. He is worse than Tedenby in the defensive zone. While he is skilled offensively, he would never work here. No way I trade any of our top assets (Larsson, Gelinas or Merrill) for him. We turned Kovalchuk into the league's best PKer and a responsible player in the defensive end. Defense can be taught, offense is much more challenging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouse Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 We turned Kovalchuk into the league's best PKer and a responsible player in the defensive end. Defense can be taught, offense is much more challenging. Lemaire turned Kovalchuk into the league's best PKer, while DeBo has struggled with guys who don't fit the system. Also, Kovalchuk, despite all of his flaws, wanted to be coached. If Yakupov is clashing with coaches over system, it's not going to be as easy to fix him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormJosh Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Lemaire turned Kovalchuk into the league's best PKer, while DeBo has struggled with guys who don't fit the system. Also, Kovalchuk, despite all of his flaws, wanted to be coached. If Yakupov is clashing with coaches over system, it's not going to be as easy to fix him. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember Lemaire using Kovalchuk on the PK? I thought that was something DeBoer started doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) We turned Kovalchuk into the league's best PKer and a responsible player in the defensive end. Defense can be taught, offense is much more challenging. Kovalchuk then abadoned his contract. DId having to play defense have something to do with it? I'm not sure, and I don't think we'll ever know that. I do know that DeBoer's system was not at all suited for Kovalchuk, who does his best work off the rush and who still wasn't very good at taking angles on the forecheck. Defense can be taught, but it has to be taught to those who want to learn. If Yakupov doesn't want to learn defense and wants to be a highly paid player, he can be. That's the thing. These coaches and organizations can't just sit on Russian (or Eastern European) players until they come out the other end as the player that the organization wants them to be. They can leave and have similar prestige and just as much cash. Edited November 12, 2013 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't remember Lemaire using Kovalchuk on the PK? I thought that was something DeBoer started doing. Kovalchuk was briefly used on the PK by Lemaire - NHL.com says 12 minutes in 2010-11. It did happen and was confusing, but it didn't last very long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 Wow revisionist history. Kovalchuk was far from "the leagues best pker"and was out there for the sole purpose of trying to get a breakaway. To trade Larsson now when he is finally coming into his own is just foolish. If he keeps this up in 2 years he will be looked at on the same level as subban, and I guarantee you habs fans would laugh at a possible subban for yakopov swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Wow revisionist history. Kovalchuk was far from "the leagues best pker"and was out there for the sole purpose of trying to get a breakaway. To trade Larsson now when he is finally coming into his own is just foolish. If he keeps this up in 2 years he will be looked at on the same level as subban, and I guarantee you habs fans would laugh at a possible subban for yakopov swap. No, Josh is right, Kovalchuk was one of the league's best PK forwards over the last two years. When Kovalchuk was on the ice on the PK, the Devils had 40% of the total goals scored by either team, which is an insane percentage, and they had a very good shots on goal ratio too. The Devils usually put him on when the 2nd unit was out there but still. Edited November 12, 2013 by Triumph Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmann422 Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 No, Josh is right, Kovalchuk was one of the league's best PK forwards over the last two years. When Kovalchuk was on the ice on the PK, the Devils had 40% of the total goals scored by either team, which is an insane percentage, and they had a very good shots on goal ratio too. The Devils usually put him on when the 2nd unit was out there but still. kovy was good in the pk because other teams had to respect his ability on the breakaway. Over a longer period than 1 season I'm not confident that the results would be the same. And deboer knew this too, as he was used as the fifth forward on the pk behind parise Elias zubrus and henrique.He was effective but he wasn't even used as a top 4 pker on his own team, so how can he be the "best pker in the league"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck the Duck Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) We turned Kovalchuk into the league's best PKer and a responsible player in the defensive end. Defense can be taught, offense is much more challenging. That's the point though. Unlike Kovy, Yakupov (apparently) has no interest in learning to be a responsible 3 zone player, and just wants to go out there and play his game. We have never been that kind of team and, thankfully, never will be. Plus, since we have very few top end prospects that we all would assume would have to go the other way in a trade, giving one up on a boom or bust player like Yakupov would be a huge gamble that this francise cannot afford at this point. Edited November 12, 2013 by Chuck the Duck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SterioDesign Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 (edited) Figured you'd find a way to work that in. Nice job. Well can you agree that it's the last risk we should make based on recent history? "the russian factor" is something legit we've seen guys dropping in drafts because of that. And Yakupov has been rumoured to be in the KHL as soon as next season per some coach there. Could be nothing but i'd still not throw guys in a trade for him. He's really good but seems really selfish, knock on him is that he's trying to do everything himself not trusting his teammates, not really a Devils kind of player Edited November 12, 2013 by SterioDesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roomtemp Posted November 12, 2013 Share Posted November 12, 2013 If its for something like a 2nd round pick and Josefson why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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