It is game 7 of a new season

[jagknife]

What evidence is there that he isn't?  He's never been a 65-70 game starter before, never had that target on his back.  Not to mention this D looks awful. 

 

All we heard all offseason was the Devils are going to be so much better now that they don't have Marty clogging up half the games and I bought into it too.  How's that working out so far?  At least when Marty plays bad he can still make plays puckhandling.

 

Yeah, but also while giving up two additional softies. Brodeur wasn't stealing us any games last year, and sure as HELL wasn't bailing out the bad defensive games. However, some fans' undying love fest for the almighty Broduer clouded their perception and refused to believe it was Marty getting old/slow.

 

Schneider has faced the most shots out of any goalie IN THE LEAGUE, btw.

 

He didn't get goal support last night and the team in front of him went into prevent defense against the Rangers as per DeBoer-usual with over 10 to play in the 3rd.

 

The problem right now isn't in goal.

[Devils731]

Schneider has never played this many games before? Is every other goalie who is below their norm also suffering some odd calamity?

What's more likely, Schneider is having a rough patch to start the year, like many other goalies, or he's so scared of the 55 games he hasn't played yet that he's now below average?

[Devs3cups]

Schneider has never played this many games before? Is every other goalie who is below their norm also suffering some odd calamity?

What's more likely, Schneider is having a rough patch to start the year, like many other goalies, or he's so scared of the 55 games he hasn't played yet that he's now below average?

I actually think that Schneider had a pretty good game last night, and pretty much every other game for that matter. Softies will happen, it's normal. Schneider will get adjusted soon enough, and he'll be even better.

[jagknife]

Schneider has never played this many games before? Is every other goalie who is below their norm also suffering some odd calamity?

What's more likely, Schneider is having a rough patch to start the year, like many other goalies, or he's so scared of the 55 games he hasn't played yet that he's now below average?

 

Oh without a doubt its the latter.

 

In fact, I hard from a source who is fourth cousins with a guy who knows a guy who knows a girl who once served Schneider a cup of coffee four years ago, that he's wearing male depends under his gear and has to sleep with rubber sheets from all the leaks he has due to his fear of starting so many games.

 

 

 

 

 

no.... not really. Slow starts happen, and we weren't saying he was having a slow start when he won 3 straight.

 

The offense slips, blame Cory, defense plays bad, blame Cory, give up a softy, blame Cory

I actually think that Schneider had a pretty good game last night, and pretty much every other game for that matter. Softies will happen, it's normal. Schneider will get adjusted soon enough, and he'll be even better.

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[NJDevs26]

I actually think that Schneider had a pretty good game last night, and pretty much every other game for that matter. Softies will happen, it's normal. Schneider will get adjusted soon enough, and he'll be even better.

 

He only had an okay game against the Rangers and good games in Tampa/Florida, and one of the games he was up 5-0 before he ever had to face a pressure shot.  He was bad in Philly, horrible in Washington and ruined otherwise good games against the Sharks and last night by letting in goals '83 Chico Resch would have stopped.

 

731 there's a huge difference mentally knowing you're the starter, especially when you're the starter replacing Marty.  It's not all about physical wear.  He isn't playing anywhere close to the Cory of last year, this is fact.

Edited October 25, 2014 by NJDevs26

[jagknife]

He only had an okay game against the Rangers and good games in Tampa/Florida, and one of the games he was up 5-0 before he ever had to face a pressure shot.  He was bad in Philly, horrible in Washington and ruined otherwise good games against the Sharks and last night by letting in goals '83 Chico Resch would have stopped.

 

731 there's a huge difference mentally knowing you're the starter, especially when you're the starter replacing Marty.  It's not all about physical wear.  He isn't playing anywhere close to the Cory of last year, this is fact.

 

Yeah, let's ignore the fact Salvador and Greene both blew their coverage on both power play goals. or the fact Salvador provided the perfect screen for Marleau and his shot block "attempt" was more of an ole than any actual defensive move.

[NJDevs26]

The Marleau goal did not look screened, even if it was it still went through Cory when he was in perfect position.  Either way that has to be stopped.

Edited October 25, 2014 by NJDevs26

[Devs3cups]

Although I agree on some points NJDevs26, defense had a huge, and I mean HUGE influence on the way Cory looked. Bad coverage, horrible PK, passes through the slot etc. etc. Sure Cory could be better, but I actually think he's playing pretty good, at least way better than what people here say.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Devs3cups

[jagknife]

The Marleau goal did not look screened, even if it was it still went through Cory when he was in perfect position.  Either way that has to be stopped.

 

Yes, he should have had it.

 

However, it was a 3-on-2 and its not unrealistic to think his defender would actually make a play on the shooter and not ole it.

[Devilsfan118]

People can't seriously be blaming Cory for this losing streak.

You know what - if you're blaming Cory, I'm just going to assume you aren't watching the games. Because anyone who's watched has seen Cory keep them in games they have no business being in.

[2ELIAS6]

People can't seriously be blaming Cory for this losing streak.

You know what - if you're blaming Cory, I'm just going to assume you aren't watching the games. Because anyone who's watched has seen Cory keep them in games they have no business being in.

for the most part this exactly.. schneider hasnt been great but he hasnt been terrible either.. they allowed him to face like 40 shots last night he stopped like 37 or something along those lines give or take a couple.. the only reason he the team even got 1 point is because of him.. i just dont get it.. as i said somewhere else the team only scored 1 real goal last night.. theyre not going to win games by only scoring 1 or even 2 goals most of the time.

[BostonNala370]

for the most part this exactly.. schneider hasnt been great but he hasnt been terrible either.. they allowed him to face like 40 shots last night he stopped like 37 or something along those lines give or take a couple.. the only reason he the team even got 1 point is because of him.. i just dont get it.. as i said somewhere else the team only scored 1 real goal last night.. theyre not going to win games by only scoring 1 or even 2 goals most of the time.

People can't seriously be blaming Cory for this losing streak.

You know what - if you're blaming Cory, I'm just going to assume you aren't watching the games. Because anyone who's watched has seen Cory keep them in games they have no business being in.

Cory is not playing his best right now but as said above he isn't costing us games.

[Triumph]

He only had an okay game against the Rangers and good games in Tampa/Florida, and one of the games he was up 5-0 before he ever had to face a pressure shot.  He was bad in Philly, horrible in Washington and ruined otherwise good games against the Sharks and last night by letting in goals '83 Chico Resch would have stopped.

 

731 there's a huge difference mentally knowing you're the starter, especially when you're the starter replacing Marty.  It's not all about physical wear.  He isn't playing anywhere close to the Cory of last year, this is fact.

 

He ruined last night?  Hahaha.  Okay.  Here, for fun, let's go through games where Brodeur faced 35 shots and allowed 2 or fewer goals in the last 4 years.   I think offhand he had one last year against the Rangers.  Yes, Brodeur did this all of 5 times over the course of 4 seasons - he did it once last year (against the Rangers as I suspected), 4 times in 2011-12, and never in 2010-11 or 2012-13.  

 

'It's different when you're the starter' - so there's more pressure on him now and not last year when he had the ghost of a legend breathing down his neck for playing time every time he made a mistake, AND his offense was scoring at a 1997 Tampa Bay Lightning rate for him?

 

It's been 7 games.  If you want me to find 7 game stretches where Brodeur started the season off sh!tty - not even from the last 4 years, because he started 3 of those seasons off terribly - I'm sure I can.

[Devil Dan 56]

Carey Price has a .902 save % and a 2.96 GAA. Is his career done forever too, or is it a slow start??

 

 

Also guys, Cory's first 7 games last season: .857, .906, .941, 1.000, .870, .905, .842 for a .903 save % after 7 games.   

Edited October 25, 2014 by Devil Dan 56

[NJDevs26]

Throw all the numbers out you want (that's what this board is good at after all), he's just not playing as well period.  What bad goals did Cory allow in that time early last year aside from the first-minute debacle in Pittsburgh?  He's allowed a string of bad goals already this year.

 

Plus he was playing those games over a much more elongated stretch, Marty got something like three of the first four starts.

Edited October 25, 2014 by NJDevs26

[Devil Dan 56]

Throw all the numbers out you want (that's what this board is good at after all), he's just not playing as well period.  What bad goals did Cory allow in that time early last year aside from the first-minute debacle in Pittsburgh?  He's allowed a string of bad goals already this year.

 

Plus he was playing those games over a much more elongated stretch, Marty got something like three of the first four starts.

 

But by the end of the season he was playing plenty.

 

He played 7 games in 13 days to end last season and had a .960 save % in that stretch. 

 

For another perspective, Marty won a Vezina in 2007-08. His save percentage after 7 games that season was .860. That's why I'm not worried about Cory yet. 

[Triumph]

Throw all the numbers out you want (that's what this board is good at after all), he's just not playing as well period.  What bad goals did Cory allow in that time early last year aside from the first-minute debacle in Pittsburgh?  He's allowed a string of bad goals already this year.

 

Plus he was playing those games over a much more elongated stretch, Marty got something like three of the first four starts.

 

If you are going to crack wise about numbers, it's a good idea to at least have your facts straight.  Schneider started Game 1, Brodeur started Games 2 and 3, Schneider started Game 4, Brodeur 5, Schneider 6, Brodeur 7, Schneider then started the next 3 until he got hurt.  And there were certainly some weak goals in there - I can recall lots of complaining about the goals he gave up against Vancouver the 2nd game, and Schneider himself took responsibility there.  Columbus wasn't his best game either.  

 

The point is that parsing less than a month's worth of games is silly.  DD56 brings up a good point about Brodeur - and you can find plenty of Brodeur slow starts that resulted in good years.  It's just the nature of the position, sometimes you are going really well, someitmes you are not.  The difference here is that this is considered a 'bad stretch' for Schneider and it's still better than what Brodeur was doing last year or the year before.

 

And of course there is the very obvious wider point that yes, Schneider is not doing great, but the Devils have 3 wins and are starting much better than they started last season.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Triumph

[Joe B]

I can't speak for all but I do think the negative Cory posting is from people that were sick of every little think Marty did wrong get treated like he needed to be shot (Tri I think even said Marty didn't have a  great game when he had a shutout) but Cory gets a pass on games he gives up weak goals(which when Marty gives them up, are demoralizing to the team).   We were a top defensive team and horrid offensively, but kept hearing how this team missed the playoffs because Marty sucked. More blame should have been placed on ryder and others having streaky years.  Everyone knows he was at the end, and not the same, but he did also play well at times.  It's not that some of us thought that Marty could do no wrong.  It was a vocal majority of posters thought Marty could do no right.  Every word in any interview proved what a egomaniac prima donna he was that demanded every game.  Not like I posted at the time of the trade.  It was Marty's job to lose, but Cory had to take it.  He didn't   Pete gave him opportunities, more than some people admit(and none here know's what the locker room felt,you can all guess, but that is projection, just like who gets the letters)  It was starting to be his job going into the break but he started slowly.  He played well at times and during stretches, but didn't get the wins. I don't care about the stats(nothing against stats, you need a balance of stats and eye test), he didn't get the wins.  Hell,  you don't think Cory would have gotten more starts if he started winning some of his shootouts?  

 

Now it's Cory's team he will get too much of the credit, he will get too much of the blame.  He has a tough job to fill replacing top 5 G of all time that played (hopefully) his entire career or our team.  You would that that would get a player a little damn respect.  You know, like not mentioning how we wouldn't the game if he was still on the team during the TB thread when he isn't even on the fvcking roster this year.  I rather remember the 3 cup and 5 finals(one of which was while he was already getting bashed day in and out on this forum(all of which while he was probably getting bashed by GR)).

 

The team has to adjust to the lack of puck-handling cause Cory just doesn't look comfortable.  I don't think it's a coincidence that the more mobile D transition has started because you won't be able to hide D anymore.  Maybe I'm looking for it more, but I do notice a lot more dump ins the last couple games.  

 

If I'm gonna ramble, I'm going full out ramble.

 

I do think many are finding frustration with this board(I've seen it mentioned in other threads, and believe me, I've stopped lurking/posting for years because of it as well)) because in the past there have been very good posters and there are still good discussions, with enough humor thrown in where it was enjoyable reading 90% of the forum.  The negativity and idiocy on this board make it feel like TG's comment section at times.  

 

The to YS or not to YS question is insane here.  I don't get why so many people get upset because our fansbase likes to be negative.  We are the fanbase that booed Bettman first.  Forget which year.  Our fans booed in the 2nd period on the PP of our home opener in a year where we raised a banner.  We may have even been ahead at the time. some people like the YS chant.  I don't know why it bothers others so much.  I don't chant it but I do sit at the game and fit in how you can fit the ys or  rangers suck in every song played.  It's a fun way to pass the time when you can't hear the person next to you talk talk because god forbid you would be able to talk to someone when the game isn't on. That's all sports nowadays though.  I also understand people being irked by it, I just don't understand how other can say it ruins their night or whatever.  We have much more idiotic ans yelling shoot every 5 seconds.  I'm sorry, Jagr has 700 fvcking goals, I think he has an idea of when to let it rip and when not too.   And it just feels like the new owners are trolling our fans.

 

Why anyone would give up on Larsson at this point is beyond me.  He still young, he showed he has the ability.  Why trade him now at his lowest possible market value?  I think there is more of a chance Gelly gets dealt.  Just seem to have more value on a team if he doesn't fix his D.  It seems to improve at times, but he needs consistency.  Can't teach that shot though which is why he will always have trade value.  

 

Severson looked to make a few mistakes last game.  Not enough to bench, but I would keep an eye on him.  Lemaire always talked about how it's tough for young players to play consistent every night. You can play on adrenalin for a while, but playing without too much of a high or low takes a while(and since he played so well in so many games maybe it isn't adrenaline).  Again, one game and maybe it just sticks out because of how good he has been, but it was noticeable.  I am stunned how well he's played to be quite honest.

 

hmm,  what else have I been wanting to post but haven't bothers with in a while.  

 

 

Yeah.  It's not even 10 games into the season.  Can we stop with the fire this one and fire that one talk?  OTL are ties, not losses.  Please.  Lets see how some of the new players fit with the team before jumping off bridges.

 

Traffic sucked last game.  glad I dvr'd the game because I missed the ceremony.  The tv crowd did miss the ref do an punching motion when he said the fighting majors.  Not quite giving him the business but pretty damn close.

 

can't wait for a mid week candien team so I can walk around and check out the new food.  found the deep fried sausage, need to find out where the poutine is.

 

Joe

 

tl;dr

Cory hate more of a blowback of the Marty hate the last couple years.  Our fans on this forum and at the arena are more and more frustrating.  I like to ramble and say because every 2 sentences.

[TheMazz]

Well if Lou does retire soon my pipe dream is Shero.

[Daniel]

Well if Lou does retire soon my pipe dream is Shero.

A completely out of nowhere but intriguing, and very boom bust choice for Lou's replacement, or at least a high ranking GM assistant would be Cory Pronman.

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[sundstrom]

A completely out of nowhere but intriguing, and very boom bust choice for Lou's replacement, or at least a high ranking GM assistant would be Cory Pronman.

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Pronman takes someone like conte's job. Not lou's

[Daniel]

Pronman takes someone like conte's job. Not lou's

He's not just a Mel Kiper-type prospect rater, although that's what he's most known for. He appears to have a good sense of player value and foresight, beyond just saying, I think this player is better than this one. In other words, Conte is not in the team building business, while that might be something that suits a guy like Pronman.

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[Mike Brown]

Again with the whole playoff position nonsense.  We're 7 games into the season and haven't played a superbrutal schedule yet.  What happens when we start facing the elite teams more frequently?  This team's been outshot in the majority of games, the forwards look older than their birth certificates and Cory looks awful at the worst times.

 

We're 0-for-3 at home, I don't want to hear about playoff position at least until they start winning some home games.  As it is they might bury themselves by Thanksgiving.

 

Did you not read the post I was responding to?  I was responding to Marv4 who is saying we're in danger of missing the playoffs.

Edited October 25, 2014 by Mike Brown