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When will we see hockey?

  1. Oct 12 (10 votes [7.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.69%

  2. Nov 12 (19 votes [14.62%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.62%

  3. Dec 12 (26 votes [20.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  4. Jan 13 (33 votes [25.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 25.38%

  5. Feb 13 (1 votes [0.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.77%

  6. Mar 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  7. Apr 13 (0 votes [0.00%])

    Percentage of vote: 0.00%

  8. Oct 13 (14 votes [10.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.77%

  9. Never (27 votes [20.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.77%

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#261 Daniel

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:25 PM

Am I missing something? What are the owners conceding with this offer? 50-50 sounds nice and fair but at the end of the day they are still asking the players to take a 7% cut while they give themselves a 7% raise, right? What are the players getting out of this?


The players would start getting a paycheck sooner rather than later.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:39 PM

godamnit im excited and can't concentrate at work !!!

Me too! I wailed my arms when I saw this news. I hope a deal is struck.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:40 PM

apparently free agency would be changed to 28 years old or 8 years played. Would that make Zajac an RFA?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

Evidently five year cap on non-rookie deals.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:41 PM

from what im gathering... the CBA would be at least 6 years...

contracts 5 years max, entry level contrats 4 years, 28 years old for an UFA status... the arbitration would remain too


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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

I am not excited until the news breaks that the first game(s) of the season will be played. Until then so what...
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

This offer is a step in the right direction, but NHLPA won't take it. NHLPA can't take any offer unless it gets even a SINGLE concession. Even if it's some bogus revenue sharing plan that has almost no impact it's important to save face. There's no way this is over yet.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:45 PM

apparently free agency would be changed to 28 years old or 8 years played. Would that make Zajac an RFA?


i think it's 28 years old AND 8 years played.

I think it would give Zajac an extra year as an RFA. He'll be 28, but will have only played seven years in 2013.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:49 PM

Whoa ... 5-year cap on contracts? That changes everything.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 12:56 PM

Am I missing something? What are the owners conceding with this offer? 50-50 sounds nice and fair but at the end of the day they are still asking the players to take a 7% cut while they give themselves a 7% raise, right? What are the players getting out of this?


The "players" are taking a 12% cut ((57-50)/57). Losing a year of UFA, and supposedly taking a 5 year cap on non-rookie deals. In exchange they are being granted nothing from the NHL.

This is the first reasonable offer from the NHL though because it supposedly protects the contracts the players signed during the last CBA. For that it's the first offer to actually get excited about since it's not a complete non-starter for the NHLPA. Regardless, it's still not a great offer. It only seems like one in comparison to the terrible earlier ones.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:05 PM

per JSportsnet

Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:06 PM

The "players" are taking a 12% cut ((57-50)/57). Losing a year of UFA, and supposedly taking a 5 year cap on non-rookie deals. In exchange they are being granted nothing from the NHL.

This is the first reasonable offer from the NHL though because it supposedly protects the contracts the players signed during the last CBA. For that it's the first offer to actually get excited about since it's not a complete non-starter for the NHLPA. Regardless, it's still not a great offer. It only seems like one in comparison to the terrible earlier ones.

Ah you're right it is 12%. This is probably working out exactly as the NHL wants it to. Everyone is getting excited about a 50-50 deal because it sounds fair and reasonable and then when the NHLPA inevitably rejects it everybody will point the finger at them instead.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:10 PM

The "players" are taking a 12% cut ((57-50)/57). Losing a year of UFA, and supposedly taking a 5 year cap on non-rookie deals. In exchange they are being granted nothing from the NHL.

This is the first reasonable offer from the NHL though because it supposedly protects the contracts the players signed during the last CBA. For that it's the first offer to actually get excited about since it's not a complete non-starter for the NHLPA. Regardless, it's still not a great offer. It only seems like one in comparison to the terrible earlier ones.


It does look like the league made a pretty decent concession in revenue sharing. I'm not current on what past proposals included but they're going from the current rate of sharing about $150M in revenue to $200M. The PA started out asking for $240M. That's JUST a little more than meeting them halfway.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:13 PM

per JSportsnet

Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.


Interesting. Between the 5-year cap on deals and this, it looks like the owners are really working hard to put the kibash on cap shenanigans. Weird, since they're the ones proposing those contracts. Maybe the small market teams are starting to drive the bus?
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:13 PM

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Another interesting tidbit from NHL offer... Players' Salaries for those NHLers playing in the AHL would be part of the cap.


Redden *cough cough*

That's good for the players though.

Edited by Zubie#8, 16 October 2012 - 01:14 PM.

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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:26 PM

It does look like the league made a pretty decent concession in revenue sharing. I'm not current on what past proposals included but they're going from the current rate of sharing about $150M in revenue to $200M. The PA started out asking for $240M. That's JUST a little more than meeting them halfway.


The NHLPA asked for that in exchange for a larger share of HRR though still right? Still I did not hear that. That's the face saving concession from the owners (and i'm sure the poorer owners are content with it as well). That makes the deal a little better. Still I expect Fehr to play hardball. Too many concessions from the players.
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:32 PM

While I doubt this will be the deal maker, at least we are moving in the right direction...
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:38 PM

@GlobeKPD: Fehr: ''Would like to believe after we are done [with review]....that it's an excellent starting point and there's a deal to be made.''
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:44 PM

Am I missing something? What are the owners conceding with this offer? 50-50 sounds nice and fair but at the end of the day they are still asking the players to take a 7% cut while they give themselves a 7% raise, right? What are the players getting out of this?


A) Fairness
B) No cutback of the players salaries this year
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Posted 16 October 2012 - 01:50 PM

i think it's 28 years old AND 8 years played.

I think it would give Zajac an extra year as an RFA. He'll be 28, but will have only played seven years in 2013.



The benchmark was 27 OR 7, whichever comes first. So even adding one year both Zajac and Clarkson would be pending UFAs based on their ages.
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