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#61 Jerrydevil

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 01:51 PM

Manta, I don't know what your standards are for great, but mine is production.

Monk, Clark, Sanders ... OK, I'll quit now.

Edited by Jerrydevil, 14 December 2010 - 02:07 PM.

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 02:12 PM

Sometimes the best way to prove an idiot wrong is to go back to work get paid and let him bury himself :lol:

How about Rice, Taylor, Brent Jones and Roger Craig??

The Ravens have assembled the greatest collection of possession receivers the NFL has ever seen, but that's about it

How about Holt, Bruce and Marshall Faulk

Hell even Reed, Lofton, Thomas and the greek guy who played TE for them.......

Manta's lost it ever since Kovy came to the Devils....it's sad.....

but then again his defintion of greatness is allowing the other team to go 99 yards on them with the game and season on the line :lol:
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 02:36 PM

Boy, Marshall faulk ... unbelievable. In the real world, you'd include a back who gets 1,000 yards receiving in the best receiving corps, but in a pretend world you have to include four receivers, two of whom USED TO BE good players. I mean, who cares how good your fourth-best receiver is?
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 04:00 PM

Sometimes the best way to prove an idiot wrong is to go back to work get paid and let him bury himself :lol:


So far your doing a great job of that.

And no one has yet to name another group of 4 WR's better than the Ravens corps.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 04:05 PM

Manta, I don't know what your standards are for great, but mine is production.

Monk, Clark, Sanders ... OK, I'll quit now.



Production is my criteria as well.


Posse you can make an argument for that, especially since they have the Rings to prove it.

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 04:10 PM

Wayne, Harrison, Clark.


Plus Brandon Stokley was the Colts' third WR (and had a 1000-yard season) when Peyton had his 49 TD season.

The Ravens have assembled the greatest collection of possession receivers the NFL has ever seen, but that's about it


Basically this. To have 'the best WR core' ever you at least have to have one and probably two game-breaking WR's. The Ravens don't have that, heck just about all the guys they have aren't even in their prime anyway.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 14 December 2010 - 04:13 PM.

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 04:27 PM

To bring up the '07 Pats again, here are the actual numbers:

Moss: 98 catches, 1493 yrds, 23 TD
Welker: 112 catches, 1175 yrds, 8 TD
Stallworth: 46 catches, 697 yds, 3 TD
Gaffney: 36 catches, 449 yds, 5 TD

You can knock this group for not having gotten in done in the Super Bowl, but they were a part of the highest-scoring offense in NFL history.

But even the '94 Pats (Bledsoe threw for 25 TDs and 27 INTs, and 4555 yrds that season) had a pretty formidable receiving corp that year:

Coates (Bledsoe's favorite target for a while) 96 catches, 1174 yrds, 7 TD
Timpson: 74 catches, 941 yrds, 3 TD
Brisby: 58 catches, 904 yrds, 5 TD
Crittenden: 28 catches, 376 yrds, 3 TD
The Pats also had two running backs (Leroy Thompson and Kevin Turner) combine for 117 catches and 936 yards between them.

For me, perception adds up to a lot as well...no one is going to be talking about this Ravens' receiving corp in the years to come, and remembering them as this incredible foursome.

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 04:29 PM

I said starting 4 receivers the groups you mentioned only consist of TWO WR's much easier to defend.

If your going to ad TE's then I will add All-Pro TE Todd Heap into the mix and make it a solid 5 options, not three.

I respect SD's squad, but I don't think they are better.

Proehl??? Sorry, but no. Proehl is more comparable to Stallworth who would be our 5th option.


Are you kidding me? Proehl is one of the great slot receivers football. Same with Stokley with the Colts, who you can add to Wayne, Harrison, Clark.

I'd take Fitzgerald, Boldin and Breaston over the Ravens top 3 anyday. I'd take Bruce, Holt, Faulk, Proehl, and Hakim over what the Ravens have. I'd most certainly take NE's group in 2007 over the Ravens now.

And in the end..it means sh!t how good your receiving corp is. You need a great QB, and Brady, Manning, Warner are 10x the QB Flacco is. Case in point the Saints. Brees gets it done with Colston, Henderson, Meacham and Moore every week. Manning can get it done with anyone. Same with Brady who won multiple Super Bowls with Brown, Branch, and Patten. How relevant was Branch after he left NE?

It's about the QB-Receiver combo but more importantly, the QB. Look how bad the Cardinals are now without Warner throwing those guys the ball. Receivers on their own are irrelevant.

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Posted 14 December 2010 - 05:00 PM

I just got all nostalgic. Hey Jet fans, remember this one back in 1986? Walker, Toon and Shuler.

We haven't had a real good tight end since Mickey Shuler played his last game as a Jet 22 years ago ... I'm not anointing Dustin Keller!
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 05:35 PM

I just realized the most retarded comment in the whole thread.... who the hell starts 4 WR's now anyway??

But that moment of lunacy aside and driving home in some traffic....I got to thinking of some better CURRENT groups of WR's I'd take

Harvin, Rice, Berrian (you know the biggest Manta-crush in the FF draft this side of Leon Washington) and Schiancoe
Jennings, Driver, Jones and Finaly
Austin, Williams, Bryant and Witten
Macklin, Jackson, Avant and Celek

any three guys the Giants throw out plus Boss

Branch, Welker, Hernandez and Tate
Ward, Randel-El, Sanders and Miller

wow the more I sit and think about it.... the more the Raven WRs suck :P
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 05:38 PM

I just realized the most retarded comment in the whole thread.... who the hell starts 4 WR's now anyway??

But that moment of lunacy aside and driving home in some traffic....I got to thinking of some better CURRENT groups of WR's I'd take

Harvin, Rice, Berrian (you know the biggest Manta-crush in the FF draft this side of Leon Washington) and Schiancoe
Jennings, Driver, Jones and Finaly
Austin, Williams, Bryant and Witten
Macklin, Jackson, Avant and Celek

any three guys the Giants throw out plus Boss

Branch, Welker, Hernandez and Tate
Ward, Randel-El, Sanders and Miller

wow the more I sit and think about it.... the more the Raven WRs suck :P


It's Ward, Wallace, Randle-El, and Miller, but yeah, same idea.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 06:50 PM

It's Ward, Wallace, Randle-El, and Miller, but yeah, same idea.


that kinda makes my point better cause Sanders is their #4 and he's damn good too!
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 07:43 PM

I just got all nostalgic. Hey Jet fans, remember this one back in 1986? Walker, Toon and Shuler.

We haven't had a real good tight end since Mickey Shuler played his last game as a Jet 22 years ago ... I'm not anointing Dustin Keller!

What's funny is Mickey Shuler's son, Mickey Jr., is on the Dolphins. He never plays, but he's on the roster. Although we just signed Kevin Curtis, so they may have cut him to make room.
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Posted 14 December 2010 - 09:00 PM

Crasher pretty much nailed it with the last post but to throw out some history since we are talking about "best ever" I would say the '92 Cowboys with Irvin, Harper, Martin, Novacek wasn't too shabby either...
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Posted 15 December 2010 - 06:57 AM

Are you kidding me? Proehl is one of the great slot receivers football. Same with Stokley with the Colts, who you can add to Wayne, Harrison, Clark.

I'd take Fitzgerald, Boldin and Breaston over the Ravens top 3 anyday. I'd take Bruce, Holt, Faulk, Proehl, and Hakim over what the Ravens have. I'd most certainly take NE's group in 2007 over the Ravens now.

And in the end..it means sh!t how good your receiving corp is. You need a great QB, and Brady, Manning, Warner are 10x the QB Flacco is. Case in point the Saints. Brees gets it done with Colston, Henderson, Meacham and Moore every week. Manning can get it done with anyone. Same with Brady who won multiple Super Bowls with Brown, Branch, and Patten. How relevant was Branch after he left NE?

It's about the QB-Receiver combo but more importantly, the QB. Look how bad the Cardinals are now without Warner throwing those guys the ball. Receivers on their own are irrelevant.



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Posted 15 December 2010 - 10:07 AM

What's funny is Mickey Shuler's son, Mickey Jr., is on the Dolphins. He never plays, but he's on the roster.


Wow, didn't know that.
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