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#21 Devs4LIFE

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 01:09 AM

i'm not opposed to henrique making the team and even getting 3rd line minutes, but the only way this happens is if rolston is gone. he will not be a 4th liner. if he's here, he's getting PP time and playing on 14 minutes which equals 3rd or perhaps 2nd line time depending on who's on and who isn't that particular game.


I agree that Rolston will get PP time and possible PK time but why do you think he won't be a 4th liner? Not only am I sure he knows where he stands with this team and their plans for him (being waived last season/topic of rumors about being dropped, I don't think he has much of a choice about which line he plays on. I'm sure that he's aware that he isn't playing up to what is expected of him and I'm sure he is also aware that there probably aren't many if any teams out there that want him so I think he'd take a spot on the roster regardless of where it is rather than being scratched. That 4th line with Steckel and Clarkson isn't awful looking either, that is to say it could be worse.

I'm sure Rolston is a great locker room guy and vocal leader on the beach but he must know where his career is at this particular time in his life and he should just be happy that he is playing on a team that could make the playoffs and so on.

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 01:27 AM

my point with rolston is, if you're going to have him, you might as well try to get the best of him.

imagine a 3rd line with Rolston-Elias-Zubrus - that line will either murder the back end defenders or likely play top lines to a draw allowing for a parise-zajac and kovalchuk-josefson line to do some damage.
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Posted 09 July 2011 - 01:40 AM

my point with rolston is, if you're going to have him, you might as well try to get the best of him.

imagine a 3rd line with Rolston-Elias-Zubrus - that line will either murder the back end defenders or likely play top lines to a draw allowing for a parise-zajac and kovalchuk-josefson line to do some damage.

This is true, I supposed it all depends on what the coaches intentions are.
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Posted 12 July 2011 - 02:45 AM

Parise Zajac Tedenby
Kovalchuk Josefson Palmieri
Rolston Elias Zubrus
Clarkson Steckel Zharkov/Henrique/Pelley

I love the idea of bringing back the elias rolston and zubrus line as stated above. It brings the best out of rolston, they can put points up together, and they can play against the other teams best lines to take pressure off the first two lines. I would love to see zharkov and henrique play on the 4th line. (*cough* trade clarkson *cough*)

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 08:47 AM

I personally want to see a third line of Rolston - Elias - Tedenby. I believe force feeding Tedenby into a more defensive role will do wonders for his game. The faster we can somehow develop him into a PK'er the less likely we will be stuck in the basement for short handed goals.

Josefson and Kovalchuk seems to be the obvious choice for a 2nd line with Palmieri on the right side. We may need to hide this line a little bit cause I truely don't think Josefson can carry the cycle on his own to create possesion. Palmieri and Kovalchuk lack in that department. Josefson is smart enough to get most out of Kovalchuk. Should be a fun line to watch on the rush.

Depending on cap cuts, why not use Zubrus, Zajac and Parise together, it should be dominant against most lines.

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Posted 12 July 2011 - 01:31 PM

I personally want to see a third line of Rolston - Elias - Tedenby. I believe force feeding Tedenby into a more defensive role will do wonders for his game. The faster we can somehow develop him into a PK'er the less likely we will be stuck in the basement for short handed goals.

Josefson and Kovalchuk seems to be the obvious choice for a 2nd line with Palmieri on the right side. We may need to hide this line a little bit cause I truely don't think Josefson can carry the cycle on his own to create possesion. Palmieri and Kovalchuk lack in that department. Josefson is smart enough to get most out of Kovalchuk. Should be a fun line to watch on the rush.

Depending on cap cuts, why not use Zubrus, Zajac and Parise together, it should be dominant against most lines.

I think putting Zubrus with Elias and Rolston and putting Teddy with Zajac and Parise would have the same effect on Teddy's defenseive game. I think that if he plays on the Parise-Zajac line he will still be forced to learn a defensive game while still playing the the maximum of his offensive capabilities.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:41 AM

Looking at capgeek, Volchenkov, Tallinder and Greene will be with our team for the 2012-13 season. We must assume Urbom, Larrson and Fayne should be there as well. Does this seem like the time to move White to fix cap problems and get a great return after one of his better seasons....just food for thought.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:48 AM

Yes, I don't really feel like White is needed. IMO, you can bury him in the minors for a year if you can't find a trading partner.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:50 AM

Yes, I don't really feel like White is needed. IMO, you can bury him in the minors for a year if you can't find a trading partner.

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White is very tradable at the moment and would probably get a 1st or a 2nd with a good prospect.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 09:05 AM

Just to throw it out there:

Kovalchuk Zajac Palmieri
Rolston Elias Zubrus
Parise Josefson Tedenby
Henrique Steckel Clarkson
Extras: Pelley

Fayne Talliner
White Volchenkov
Greene Larsson
Extras: Taormina, Salvador

I think Salvador is likely going to be Devils subtraction.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 10:12 AM

White is very tradable at the moment and would probably get a 1st or a 2nd with a good prospect.

I disagree, and I love White. He is a very good shut down defender, but I think you are overvaluing him. I think a 2nd would be a good bet. Also, I think Merrill needs to be included in that list with Larsson, Fayne and Urbom
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 11:06 AM

I like a combo of the last couple.

Parise-Zajac-Tedenby
Kovalchuk-Josefson-Palmieri
Rolston-Elias-Zubrus
Zharkov-Steckel-Clarkson

They are saying Josefson put some muscle on since last season, it might be nice to see him play stronger on the puck this year.
Also, I really like Zharkov, he showed a lot of offensive abilities in his few games last season.

I'm not the biggest White fan, I just don't think he lived up to the hype (although undeserved hype) from when he came in but I could deal with him one more year until he's off the books, even if it's just as another veteran mentor to the younger d.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 11:10 AM

When you see guys like White -- it really drives it home how very much #3 deserves to be in the rafters.

I love White and I agree he has never really brought anything specific to the table. Just vanilla defence - which is not a bad thing. :noclue:
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:10 PM

White is very tradable at the moment and would probably get a 1st or a 2nd with a good prospect.

I don't think you'd get a 1st or 2nd for White...maybe a 3rd. Think about your argument though, if we have a defenseman on the team who is worth a 1st or a 2nd with a good prospect, wouldn't he be more valuable on our roster as opposed to another team's?

I think White is under* rated, sure he makes mistakes from time to time but so do most other players. White is a real steady shutdown defenseman, even Marty said you can't have enough White/Salvador/Volchenkov type players on the team. Besides White is the only D on our roster who has won a cup and he has a no trade clause, I don't think he's going anywhere.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 02:55 PM

Just for fun - what about this:

Parise - Zajac - Elias (matched against other teams top line. Elias and Zajac both very responsible on defense)
Kovalchuk - Zubrus - Clarkson (line 2 to match other teams checking line)
Tedenby - Josefson - Rolston (3rd line)
Pelley - Steckel - Zharkov (4th line)

feel free to switch Clarkson and Rolston above.

White - Volchenkov
Fayne - Tallinder
Taormina - #6
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 03:22 PM

White is very tradable at the moment and would probably get a 1st or a 2nd with a good prospect.


did you see what regehr got back? yeah, this isn't happening. i could see a 2nd being the return.

and why would NJ do this? we don't have sufficient defensive depth that we can get rid of white. if nothing changes on the devils' blueline, i think white will depart at the end of the year and that will be that.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 06:56 PM

did you see what regehr got back? yeah, this isn't happening. i could see a 2nd being the return.

and why would NJ do this? we don't have sufficient defensive depth that we can get rid of white. if nothing changes on the devils' blueline, i think white will depart at the end of the year and that will be that.


White is a UFA at seasons end, his value goes up as his salary goes down. White would be as valuable a rental as Arnott at the very least. At least White is coming off a great season. I see plenty of defensive depth on our blueline with or without Larsson this season. I would be confident Urbom is ready this camp. Who knows where Gelinas is at the moment, probably not ready but who knows. We have a lot of defensmen who with good camps could be a #6 or #7.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 07:49 PM

White has a NTC. Also I don't think the Devils are that deep on Defense so that they can trade White (I don't think Larsson or Salvador will be on the team though). All of us are projecting all of the defensemen to pan out, but really who know what will happen. Fraser could very well prove more useful than Corrente, Taormina might only be able to cut it as a 7th dman/pp specialist.

A lot of questions to be answered on D before we consider moving White, especially because White/Volchenkov proved quite effective in the 2nd half of the year.

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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:17 PM

White is a UFA at seasons end, his value goes up as his salary goes down. White would be as valuable a rental as Arnott at the very least.


disagree. arnott is a center. teams always need centers.

At least White is coming off a great season. I see plenty of defensive depth on our blueline with or without Larsson this season. I would be confident Urbom is ready this camp. Who knows where Gelinas is at the moment, probably not ready but who knows. We have a lot of defensmen who with good camps could be a #6 or #7.


the problem is, and the issue i raised when greene was to be re-signed, is that if you trade white, you have greene, tallinder, and volchenkov as the only veterans. that's a lot of ice time that'd be going to young players, especially when one veteran got injured. i am pretty confident that fayne can handle top 4 minutes and that guys like taormina and urbom won't disappoint on the back end. but still, i think another year is needed to truly evaluate how good these guys will be. white's a UFA at season's end and i don't see a spot for him in 2012-13, but i definitely see a spot for him now.
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Posted 13 July 2011 - 08:20 PM

disagree. arnott is a center. teams always need centers.



the problem is, and the issue i raised when greene was to be re-signed, is that if you trade white, you have greene, tallinder, and volchenkov as the only veterans. that's a lot of ice time that'd be going to young players, especially when one veteran got injured. i am pretty confident that fayne can handle top 4 minutes and that guys like taormina and urbom won't disappoint on the back end. but still, i think another year is needed to truly evaluate how good these guys will be. white's a UFA at season's end and i don't see a spot for him in 2012-13, but i definitely see a spot for him now.


I seriously hope that changes come trade deadline. A seriously strong top 2 rounds in this years draft....another 2nd could go a long way.
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