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[Quinn01]

NEWARK (WABC) -- The Newark City Council unanimously approved a new ordinance that would require certain restaurants to post armed guards after 9 p.m.

"With this order, he'll take us out of business, that's what he's doing," said Jamil Nahiam, owner of two late-night eating establishments.

He has an afternoon meeting with Councilman Ras Baraka on Friday about the Councilman's proposal to force late night chicken and pizza shacks, to have armed guards on duty if they're open past 9 at night. He says armed guards don't come cheap.

ABC News

Edited by Quinn01, 07 July 2011 - 07:23 PM.

[Marv4Life]

Dude. They're fried chicken joints in the hood. This doesn't concern this forum.

[Quinn01]

You walk 3 blocks out from the arena and youll see these places with guards hanging out. Not everyone that attends devils games hit up the decent places around the arena pre and post games.

[Marv4Life]

Who eats out at fried chicken joints before going to games? And yeah there's one on Market & Broad and past City Hall on Broad and Green but again who's going there? They don't belong downtown anyway, and the rest of them should just shut down by 9pm. Like 99 cent stores, hair/nail salons, weave shops, they all lure in the lowlife element.

Oh and the title of this thread is deceiving. This isn't targeting the more "chic" places downtown or the Ironbound eateries.

Edited by Marv4Life, 07 July 2011 - 07:49 PM.

[devlman]

Who eats out at fried chicken joints before going to games? And yeah there's one on Market & Broad and past City Hall on Broad and Green but again who's going there? They don't belong downtown anyway, and the rest of them should just shut down by 9pm. Like 99 cent stores, hair/nail salons, weave shops, they all lure in the lowlife element.

Oh and the title of this thread is deceiving. This isn't targeting the more "chic" places downtown or the Ironbound eateries.

It has to do w the city of Newark, which is obviously relevant to the devils. There are countless threads that don't just pertain to downtown.

[block921]

It has to do w the city of Newark, which is obviously relevant to the devils. There are countless threads that don't just pertain to downtown.

LOL yeah you tell'em! Then Golden Krust right on Market next to Browers Bldg would be included which is a shame.

Basically Newark's police can't protect you

Edited by block921, 08 July 2011 - 07:22 PM.

[RowdyFan42]

Who eats out at fried chicken joints before going to games? And yeah there's one on Market & Broad and past City Hall on Broad and Green but again who's going there? They don't belong downtown anyway, and the rest of them should just shut down by 9pm. Like 99 cent stores, hair/nail salons, weave shops, they all lure in the lowlife element.

Oh and the title of this thread is deceiving. This isn't targeting the more "chic" places downtown or the Ironbound eateries.

Hold up... fried chicken joints "don't belong downtown" and "lure in the lowlife element"? Holy fvck that's racist. Yeah, I suppose I'm a lowlife just because I pop into a KFC every once in a while.

(I know we're not exactly talking about KFC, but I don't know of too many non-chain fried chicken places in upstate NY.)

[Marv4Life]

Basically Newark's police can't protect you

There can be 5,000 cops on the force--many of em on patrol--or 50, it wouldn't matter. Police can't be everywhere at once.

And Rowdy, why should downtown be mediocre at best? A large cluster of these low-rent place within the so-called "heart" of the city in 2011 should not exist. You wouldn't have this in Center City Philly(not as clustered together as here) or even as closeby as Jersey City. We've seen violent examples of this on Broad/Market. It's not racism(I'm a black guy from East Orange born in Newark). Not saying we should put something as uppity as a Neiman Marcus but is it wrong to put a Staples, CVS or a 5 Guys there?

Edited by Marv4Life, 09 July 2011 - 09:23 AM.

[devlman]

There can be 5,000 cops on the force--many of em on patrol--or 50, it wouldn't matter. Police can't be everywhere at once.

And Rowdy, why should downtown be mediocre at best? A large cluster of these low-rent place within the so-called "heart" of the city in 2011 should not exist. You wouldn't have this in Center City Philly(not as clustered together as here) or even as closeby as Jersey City. We've seen violent examples of this on Broad/Market. It's not racism(I'm a black guy from East Orange born in Newark). Not saying we should put something as uppity as a Neiman Marcus but is it wrong to put a Staples, CVS or a 5 Guys there?

Sure it'd be nice to have different stores downtown, but why does that mean 99 cent stores, and nail salons (stores that have been part of downtown forever) must be kicked out? And you can't say they attract low life elements, that's simply not true. They may attract poorer people but to clarify those that are poor as low lifes isn't right.

[RowdyFan42]

And Rowdy, why should downtown be mediocre at best?

I didn't say that. I merely objected to your assertion that fried chicken restaurants don't belong downtown. (And I should have objected to your blanket putdown of "99 cent stores, hair/nail salons, [and] weave shops", but I didn't, probably because I agree that there's little point in keeping them open past 9 PM.) Perhaps I'm over-simplifying it and focusing on one small part of the big picture (though the OP did single out "late night chicken and pizza shacks"), but it sounded like you were drawing upon the old "black people love them some fried chicken" stereotype and then saying that anyone who would patronize a downtown fried chicken joint is clearly a lowlife and a criminal. Sounded rather racist -- or at the very least classist -- to me; if I misinterpreted, I apologize, but that's how I saw it.

A large cluster of these low-rent place within the so-called "heart" of the city in 2011 should not exist.

Probably not, but I disagree with the idea that they shouldn't exist at all. And I'm not accusing you of saying that, it's just that whenever the topics of urban renewal and gentrification come up, there's usually an undercurrent of "poor people are bad people" and "non-white people are bad people" that irks the hell out of me.

It's not racism(I'm a black guy from East Orange born in Newark).

It's not racist because you're black? Don't even get me started.

Not saying we should put something as uppity as a Neiman Marcus but is it wrong to put a Staples, CVS or a 5 Guys there?

Nope. Nothing wrong with that at all, but I don't think that was the point of this exercise.

devlman said it best: "They may attract poorer people but to clarify those that are poor as low lifes isn't right."

Edited by RowdyFan42, 09 July 2011 - 06:58 PM.

[DevsMan84]

I am finding that the posters who are saying that the 99 cent stores and sh!tty wigs places should have a place there are the same people who are saying that the only way to improve Newark is to put high-end stores, bars, restaurants, museums, and nightclubs in. It is hard to have one and the other and hope for change. The high-end places do not want to be near these type of stores (hell is was news this year when stores in Nolita wanted the San Gennero festival to be shortened even though the festival has been there long before them cause of the type of people it brings in for 2 stinkin weeks), and the lower-type places will not be able to keep up as the higher-end places will eventually increase property values = increase in rent.

Stop shielding yourself from the obvious by crying racism. Usually the people who cry racism are usually themselves either racist or just want to keep their heads in the sand.

[devlman]

I am finding that the posters who are saying that the 99 cent stores and sh!tty wigs places should have a place there are the same people who are saying that the only way to improve Newark is to put high-end stores, bars, restaurants, museums, and nightclubs in.

You continue to misinterpret what others are saying about this. Please point out ONE post where someone says the ONLY way Newark can advance is to have ONLY high-end stores.

[DevsMan84]

You continue to misinterpret what others are saying about this. Please point out ONE post where someone says the ONLY way Newark can advance is to have ONLY high-end stores.

We had a huge discussion on this in the other thread about revitalizing downtown Newark. Basically the last 3 or so pages are numerous posts where people such as yourself say the key to revitalizing is to put in more clubs, bars, lounges, box stores, high-end places, etc... Then, apparently, the yuppies and hipsters will move in afterwards. I doubt hipsters love going to Conway and wig stores and terrible friend-chicken joints. If you want me to start posting an example I will.

Edit: I just looked at the revitalization thread for the last couple of pages and there are more than enough posts that show what I said was accurate.

Edited by DevsMan84, 11 July 2011 - 10:34 AM.

[devlman]

We had a huge discussion on this in the other thread about revitalizing downtown Newark. Basically the last 3 or so pages are numerous posts where people such as yourself say the key to revitalizing is to put in more clubs, bars, lounges, box stores, high-end places, etc... Then, apparently, the yuppies and hipsters will move in afterwards. I doubt hipsters love going to Conway and wig stores and terrible friend-chicken joints. If you want me to start posting an example I will.

Edit: I just looked at the revitalization thread for the last couple of pages and there are more than enough posts that show what I said was accurate.

Not at all. Again, no one ever says that the only stores needed for revitalization are high-end stores. High-end establishments are needed, BUT they are not the ONLY establishments that are needed. Thats the difference.

[DevsMan84]

Not at all. Again, no one ever says that the only stores needed for revitalization are high-end stores. High-end establishments are needed, BUT they are not the ONLY establishments that are needed. Thats the difference.

Do you really think high-end places would want to share space with wig stores and fried chicken joints. Take race out of the equation and put down the politically correct nonsense aside and you know these type of places attract seedy elements. By the logic that it is not the stores that entertains the seedy side, then what is it? Times square had porn theaters and strip clubs for decades until the mid 90's when crime prevention and big box stores moved in and removed the former businesses. Do you really think Times Square could have been revitalized with both?

[devlman]

Do you really think high-end places would want to share space with wig stores and fried chicken joints. Take race out of the equation and put down the politically correct nonsense aside and you know these type of places attract seedy elements. By the logic that it is not the stores that entertains the seedy side, then what is it? Times square had porn theaters and strip clubs for decades until the mid 90's when crime prevention and big box stores moved in and removed the former businesses. Do you really think Times Square could have been revitalized with both?

Theres enough room and PLENNNNNTTTTYY of vacancy in downtown Newark for a good mixture of business. Ideally, you'd want a good variety. The vacancy rate in Newark isnt what it is because people are afraid of fast food joints lol.

[DevsMan84]

Theres enough room and PLENNNNNTTTTYY of vacancy in downtown Newark for a good mixture of business. Ideally, you'd want a good variety. The vacancy rate in Newark isnt what it is because people are afraid of fast food joints lol.

So you think homeless people coming into fast food joints aggressively begging for money doesn't give people a pause? You think that the high-end businesses want to worry about that and be near that?

[Marv4Life]

The vacancy rate in Newark isnt what it is because people are afraid of fast food joints lol.

Maybe not afraid, but put off. If a regular tourist--with money, mind you--comes to a downtown/urban center and the first thing they see is a worn out fried chicken joint or a 99 cent store(and not just one, a good chunk of them) that person will think that the area is unappealing, unsafe, and not worth anyone's time, especially if there's nothing geared towards that tourist to balance it out or even override it(ie Center City Philly or even JC, as I mentioned earlier). They'll just take their cash to another city with a better downtown.

Perhaps I'm over-simplifying it and focusing on one small part of the big picture (though the OP did single out "late night chicken and pizza shacks"), but it sounded like you were drawing upon the old "black people love them some fried chicken" stereotype and then saying that anyone who would patronize a downtown fried chicken joint is clearly a lowlife and a criminal. Sounded rather racist -- or at the very least classist -- to me; if I misinterpreted, I apologize, but that's how I saw it.

It's more like "I want better stores with better ownership taking care of their properties, bringing in a more diverse crowd rather than just catering to a certain crowd(Neiman Marcus isn't mandatory for the Downtown) and providing needed tax revenue, therefore making your urban center more credible." These outdated, low-rent, "illegal" properties don't cut it, sorry. Not about racism.

Edited by Marv4Life, 11 July 2011 - 12:04 PM.

[devlman]

So you think homeless people coming into fast food joints aggressively begging for money doesn't give people a pause? You think that the high-end businesses want to worry about that and be near that?

Haha are you serious? You've now made the jump from fast-food joint to the homeless? Just like that you've made the assertion that fast food joints are a reason for Newark's homeless problem! Wanna get rid of your homeless people? Dont feed em! LOL...the two are not connected man.

[RowdyFan42]

Take race out of the equation and put down the politically correct nonsense aside and you know these type of places attract seedy elements. By the logic that it is not the stores that entertains the seedy side, then what is it?

Define seedy. And I challenge you to do it in a color-blind manner.

The financial sector attracts thieves and criminals too, let's abolish Wall Street.

Times square had porn theaters and strip clubs for decades until the mid 90's when crime prevention and big box stores moved in and removed the former businesses. Do you really think Times Square could have been revitalized with both?

And some will argue that the Disneyfication of Times Square had ruined it. Sure, it's a nice little tourist mecca, but you'd be lying out your ass if you said that the place has any character at all.