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[devlman]

Maybe not afraid, but put off. If a regular tourist--with money, mind you--comes to a downtown/urban center and the first thing they see is a worn out fried chicken joint or a 99 cent store(and not just one, a good chunk of them) that person will think that the area is unappealing, unsafe, and not worth anyone's time, especially if there's nothing geared towards that tourist to balance it out or even override it(ie Center City Philly or even JC, as I mentioned earlier). They'll just take their cash to another city with a better downtown.

Who is put off by seeing a fried chicken joint?? I mean, really. NYC has tons of these 'low-life stores' (your words, not mine) and that doesnt put off people from visiting it. Do you know why? Because people arent affected by it. NYC also has other high-end stores that can attract tourists. Theres no need to eliminate all establishments that arent 'high-end'. If you have great estalishments in town, no one is going to cancel their visit to such an establishment because they are 'put off' by seeing fried chicken and nail salons also within downtown.

Edited by devlman, 11 July 2011 - 12:25 PM.

[RowdyFan42]

It's more like "I want better stores with better ownership taking care of their properties, bringing in a more diverse crowd rather than just catering to a certain crowd(Neiman Marcus isn't mandatory for the Downtown) and providing needed tax revenue, therefore making your urban center more credible." These outdated, low-rent, "illegal" properties don't cut it, sorry. Not about racism.

Okay, I can agree with that. Though I'm curious as to what you mean by "illegal". Do you mean that they hire illegal immigrants, that they're fronts for drug-running and money-laundering operations, or something else entirely? And I mean the majority, not just one or two. I wouldn't be surprised if there was at least one front and some shady hiring practices, but you don't condemn the whole for the actions of a few.

[DevsMan84]

Define seedy. And I challenge you to do it in a color-blind manner.

The financial sector attracts thieves and criminals too, let's abolish Wall Street.

A seedy place is what it is. Could be a white-trash area or ghetto area. If you automatically associate the word seedy with race, then my friend it is you that has a race issue or way too sensative to the realities of the area.

White collar crime may hurt the bank account, but to compare it to assault with deadly weapons, robbery, muggings, rapes, and murders is ridiculous. Madoff did steal and ruin people's lives, but he did not cause bodily harm (and please again if you are using suicides of his former clients as exmaples you are really grabbing at straws).

[Marv4Life]

Who is put off by seeing a fried chicken joint?? I mean, really. NYC has tons of these 'low-life stores' (your words, not mine) and that doesnt put off people from visiting it. Do you know why? Because people arent affected by it. NYC also has other high-end stores that can attract tourists. Theres no need to eliminate all establishments that arent 'high-end'. If you have great estalishments in town, no one is going to cancel their visit to such an establishment because they are 'put off' by seeing fried chicken and nail salons also within downtown.

You'd be surprised. Manhattan has a ton of middle-upper class stores to offset the lower-end ones. It's even happening in Harlem, Midtown West past 9th Ave, Lower East Side, etc. That's the difference. Downtown Newark doesn't have these "great establishments" to offset or balance out the mainstays. If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

[Marv4Life]

Okay, I can agree with that. Though I'm curious as to what you mean by "illegal". Do you mean that they hire illegal immigrants, that they're fronts for drug-running and money-laundering operations, or something else entirely?

Street vendors, pawn shops, etc. that sell counterfeit merchandise. Also certain Halal/chicken joints on Broad & Market with consistent drug activity to the point where busts have to be conducted, and has.

[devlman]

You'd be surprised. Manhattan has a ton of middle-upper class stores to offset the lower-end ones. It's even happening in Harlem, Midtown West past 9th Ave, Lower East Side, etc. That's the difference. Downtown Newark doesn't have these "great establishments" to offset or balance out the mainstays. If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Well we shouldnt be having this conversation then because ive said multiple times during this that there is no need to eliminate these 'low-end stores', even when you attract some high-end ones. You kept arguing it though...

[block921]

Closing chicken shacks won't do anything, Newark isn't safe as random violence can explode anywhere at anytime as the idiots can drive to any point in Newark and cause havoc. Something this brazen never happens in downtown New York and if so the perps are caught REAL fast, same with hoboken and downtown Jersey City. The most damning piece is "It does not appear that the two are connected"




http://www.nj.com/ne...injured_in.html




"Four hours earlier, three men and a woman were wounded at a shooting in downtown Newark, said city police spokesman Detective Hubert Henderson. All were expected to survive.

At about 6 p.m., police found a gunshot victim near the scene of the shooting at Branford Place and Halsey Street, Henderson said.

Investigators later learned from hospital officials that three other gunshot victims were being treated at University Hospital in Newark, and they had been shot at the Halsey Street location, he said.

"It does not appear that the two are connected," DeMaio said last night.

Lastly, a woman was wounded in the buttocks by gunfire near the intersection of Gareis and Blum streets in the city’s Central Ward."

http://www.nj.com/ne...n_newark_l.html

"One measure taken by Acting Police Director Samuel DeMaio when he took the position in May was to establish a permanent police presence near the intersection of Broad and Market Streets, two blocks from the site of tonight’s shootings.

A month after the shooting in April, undercover narcotics detectives were shot at by a suspect they were approaching on Treat Place and Branford Place, a block from today’s shooting."

Edited by block921, 12 July 2011 - 06:01 AM.

[Marv4Life]

Downtown New York, Hoboken and Newport don't have the blight and other crappy establishments that lure in this crap. Why do you think Ferry St is mostly free from this garbage? That whole stretch from Broad St heading west is ghetto and shootings aren't unheard of. And guess what's in the middle of that quadrant? You guessed it, low-class retail and "chicken joints".

Edited by Marv4Life, 12 July 2011 - 10:19 AM.

[block921]

Downtown New York, Hoboken and Newport don't have the blight and other crappy establishments that lure in this crap. Why do you think Ferry St is mostly free from this garbage? That whole stretch from Broad St heading west is ghetto and shootings aren't unheard of.

http://spotcrime.com...b49ef2a7c015867
http://spotcrime.com...d49ff0fe9936baa
http://spotcrime.com...b282d3a839a89d5

[block921]

LOL just noticed: http://www.city-data...-stay-open.html

Multi board battle

[66nexus]

Closing chicken shacks won't do anything, Newark isn't safe as random violence can explode anywhere at anytime as the idiots can drive to any point in Newark and cause havoc. Something this brazen never happens in downtown New York and if so the perps are caught REAL fast, same with hoboken and downtown Jersey City. The most damning piece is "It does not appear that the two are connected"

'Course not:


http://articles.nyda...laughter-charge
http://projects.nyti...e/homicides/map
http://www.dnainfo.c...-prompts-outcry

[Pepperkorn]

All I can think when i read the last page or so is "Well they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night"

[RowdyFan42]

All I can think when i read the last page or so is "Well they blew up the chicken man in Philly last night"

And now all I can think of is the giant chicken from Family Guy.

[block921]

'Course not:


http://articles.nyda...laughter-charge
http://projects.nyti...e/homicides/map
http://www.dnainfo.c...-prompts-outcry

Newark: http://www.spotcrime.com/nj/newark to many gun shots to count

NYC: http://www.spotcrime.com/ny/new%20york 2 gunshots downtown and then clean till you get to Harlem

Winning!

Edited by block921, 13 July 2011 - 08:18 PM.

[66nexus]

Newark: http://www.spotcrime.com/nj/newark to many gun shots to count

NYC: http://www.spotcrime.com/ny/new%20york 2 gunshots downtown and then clean till you get to Harlem

Winning!

Yup, from your saying 'never' to what you said above is nice contrast.

[NewarkDevil5]

Newark: http://www.spotcrime.com/nj/newark to many gun shots to count

NYC: http://www.spotcrime.com/ny/new%20york 2 gunshots downtown and then clean till you get to Harlem

Winning!

Um actually if you zoom into the downtown portion of the Newark map there are 4 shooting incidents downtown and 5 shootings in the Ironbound with the remainder of the "too many to count" being in the neighborhoods. Irvine Turner Boulevard and West has been nasty this summer, but the isolated incidents downtown have actually not been as bad as I would have believed given the heat of this summer and the reduced police force.

[block921]

What chicken shack was near this one:

Off-duty Newark police officer carjacked, injured in the Ironbound



http://www.nj.com/ne..._carjacked.html

[newarkdev01]

What chicken shack was near this one:

Off-duty Newark police officer carjacked, injured in the Ironbound



http://www.nj.com/ne..._carjacked.html

Im sorry this one wreaks. This spot happens to be in between 4 go go bars and a few blocks from the police station...much more likely. Off duty cop gets drunk at go go bar and bust up car and has a nice little dog and pony show to explain damage to car.

[Marv4Life]

No chicken shack(maybe), but low income housing and a 99 cent store further down.
EDIT: beaten to it^^^.

Edited by Marv4Life, 14 July 2011 - 06:13 PM.

[block921]

With More Than 200 People Shot This Year, Newark Residents Say City Crime Is Getting Worse


http://newyork.cbslo...-getting-worse/