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#21 bobilly45

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 06:17 PM

i personally think brodeur will come back 1 more yr if he doesnt suffer any significant injuries, esp if lou is still in charge. Also hopefully by then hopefully kinkaid is ready to split duties in the nhl with broder, gotta root hard for the guy whose an long islander like myself.
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Posted 18 October 2011 - 08:59 PM

If NJ is going to go after a UFA from Nashville, I'd hope it's Suter. There's no apparent reason that Rinne won't sign a contract bigger than Bryz's.
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Posted 18 October 2011 - 10:37 PM

The more minor injuries he suffers, the more likely it is that he comes back as a worse player. He's not 'done' - his 2nd half was outstanding, especially his March - but it's something to watch out for. It seemed like 10 years ago, Marty would shake off injuries and refuse to come out of the net. Now they persist for a week or two.

I know this - Brodeur can't get a multi-year deal from NJ.



Dude, the guy is quasi 40 years old man. 40 years old! You got guys the likes of Skinner, Stamkos, Nugent-Hopkins (and a guy on the team named Adam Larsson too) that were still in training diapers when Marty won his first cup.

Enough is enough. I could care less that they draw comparisons to Dwayne Roloson's 42 years of age. Marty is old and weathered. He may be able to come in a steal a game or two here and there, but he isn't a guy that can play 35-40 games a year anymore and have less than a 2.30 GAA. He's not. I don't give a hoot what anyone says.

Granted, I would love for him to prove me wrong, but let's face it, he's not a machine. He's a human being that ages like everyone else.

Believe it or not, as much as I worship Marty and what he's done for us, I believe he is what's holding this franchise back from moving forward. Kind of like Alessandro Del Piero with Juventus (Serie A soccer team in Italy). They are both team icons, with ownership, management, and fans alike clinging and not wanting to let go. But enough is enough.

Alessandro Del Piero was announced today to be in his LAST SEASON with Juventus at the age of 37. Brodeur should join him.

I hope he goes out with his head held high...I have my fingers crossed.

Edited by Mitico12, 18 October 2011 - 10:38 PM.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 12:26 AM

He can't bounce back from injuries like he used to, but he is still better than the majority of goalies out there.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 12:40 AM

No, he's not. Awesome topic though. TotY? Posted Image
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 06:25 AM

Dude, the guy is quasi 40 years old man. 40 years old! You got guys the likes of Skinner, Stamkos, Nugent-Hopkins (and a guy on the team named Adam Larsson too) that were still in training diapers when Marty won his first cup.

Enough is enough. I could care less that they draw comparisons to Dwayne Roloson's 42 years of age. Marty is old and weathered. He may be able to come in a steal a game or two here and there, but he isn't a guy that can play 35-40 games a year anymore and have less than a 2.30 GAA. He's not. I don't give a hoot what anyone says.

Granted, I would love for him to prove me wrong, but let's face it, he's not a machine. He's a human being that ages like everyone else.

Believe it or not, as much as I worship Marty and what he's done for us, I believe he is what's holding this franchise back from moving forward. Kind of like Alessandro Del Piero with Juventus (Serie A soccer team in Italy). They are both team icons, with ownership, management, and fans alike clinging and not wanting to let go. But enough is enough.
Alessandro Del Piero was announced today to be in his LAST SEASON with Juventus at the age of 37. Brodeur should join him.

I hope he goes out with his head held high...I have my fingers crossed.


In bold: What are you talking about? You make it sound like he's been a shell of what he was and that we've been watching a diminished Brodeur for an extended period of time.

The year before last, he went 45-25-6 with a 2.24 GAA, 9 SO and a .916 save%, so it's not like he's several seasons removed from his last typical Marty season. He was strong in the second half last season as well.

I'll give you that, at his age, there's no guarantees...anything can happen. I saw Roberto Alomar put on a Met uniform and age seemingly overnight...in the course of one offseason he went from being a star player to complete wash-up. The same thing happened to Mickey Mantle and several other player in all sports, where there's no steady decline, just an abrupt, almost instantaneous erosion of skills.

No one can say that that has happened to Marty...he's actually looked pretty good in his limited time this season. At any rate, as long as he can stay healthy and is playing close to the level we enjoyed watching for so many seasons, I think he deserves a shot to play in a significant number of games...maybe not 70+, but I don't see why, IF he feels up to it and IF he's playing well enough (questions that can't be answered October 19), he can't start 50-55 games. If he struggles mightily and looks bad doing it, I think he'll recognize it and walk away...though he's been painted as a selfish detriment by a number of fans over the past few seasons, I think he's smart enough to realize that not playing well and not being able to do anything about it won't do him or anyone else any good. What makes all of this easier to deal with is that the Devils have a backup who can at least give them capable goaltending in Hedberg.

Edited by Colorado Rockies 1976, 19 October 2011 - 06:26 AM.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 06:45 AM

We all know the deal -- Basically - he doesn't enjoying being a f***-up (who does?) -- and there is no reason for him to power through stuff just to eat crow.

If there is not one humiliating thing about playing another year AND this season has energized him by it's end - then he'll be back. If it's just more of the same then he won't. It sucks to feel like the weak link and Marty isn't given an nanometer by fans or the industry.

We all know this. But it's all part of the grieving process to have threads like this - there's no debate to be had though. Any sort of control fans had was thrown to the wind with people blaming him for not bailing the team out last season -- so now it's just totally a personal decision and he'll do nothing for our collective sake.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 07:34 AM

Believe it or not, as much as I worship Marty and what he's done for us, I believe he is what's holding this franchise back from moving forward. Kind of like Alessandro Del Piero with Juventus (Serie A soccer team in Italy). They are both team icons, with ownership, management, and fans alike clinging and not wanting to let go. But enough is enough.


How has he 'hurt' the team and prevented them from going forward? Can't be his $5.2 million cap hit, which is a mere 200,000 more than Brian Rolston's was, if any contract prevented the team from 'moving forward' it was that one. Sure hasn't been his play since he was still at a reasonably high level in '09-10, better than any goalie they could have realistically plugged in. Last year his injuries didn't hurt the team cause they had Hedberg playing at a high level and he also played at a high level in the second half when he was in there.

If he keeps getting hurt this year half of you'll get your wish and he will be gone, but he's going nowhere before then so it's useless to talk about this in October.

Edited by NJDevs4978, 19 October 2011 - 07:37 AM.

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Posted 19 October 2011 - 08:58 AM

Dude, the guy is quasi 40 years old man. 40 years old! You got guys the likes of Skinner, Stamkos, Nugent-Hopkins (and a guy on the team named Adam Larsson too) that were still in training diapers when Marty won his first cup.

Enough is enough. I could care less that they draw comparisons to Dwayne Roloson's 42 years of age. Marty is old and weathered. He may be able to come in a steal a game or two here and there, but he isn't a guy that can play 35-40 games a year anymore and have less than a 2.30 GAA. He's not. I don't give a hoot what anyone says.

Granted, I would love for him to prove me wrong, but let's face it, he's not a machine. He's a human being that ages like everyone else.

Believe it or not, as much as I worship Marty and what he's done for us, I believe he is what's holding this franchise back from moving forward. Kind of like Alessandro Del Piero with Juventus (Serie A soccer team in Italy). They are both team icons, with ownership, management, and fans alike clinging and not wanting to let go. But enough is enough.

Alessandro Del Piero was announced today to be in his LAST SEASON with Juventus at the age of 37. Brodeur should join him.

I hope he goes out with his head held high...I have my fingers crossed.


There was just a strange announcement that Del Piero is definitely playing his last year with Juventus. They way it was worded, they are hiding whether the team is pushing him out and he has to sign elsewhere.... or if this is his personal wish to retire after this season. No idea...

I think it's different though... Del Piero is on the bench most of the time. Matri and Vucinic along with Pepe, Vidal, and others are the starting strikers. Del Piero comes on in the 70th or 80th minute to snag a goal or so.

With Marty, if he's healthy, there's the notion that he HAS to the starter.. .and that could hold the team up.

Before this season I thought his contract would run out and he would sign one year deals with the Devils til he wanted to call it quits. Then he got hurt again and now I don't know if he'll want to continue.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 09:51 AM

I think if Marty is hurt severely enough, or gets hurt again he may hang them up. I am sure he wants to be able to enjoy retirement healthy. Doesnt really matter if Marty retires this season or not, he has done so much for the Devils he will always be a legend for the team and for hockey in general.

I do think that it is a real possibility that he retires at the end of the season, and we as a team should be looking for a number 1 goal tender asap.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:09 AM

re: holding the team back

I think Marty is well beyond the years where it'd just be assumed he'd start. If he doesn't play well, Moose WILL become the starter. Marty won't be handed games.


But anyway, it doesn't look like he's playing Friday. With a week+ off since the injury, it's looking like this deep bruise is probably something a little more serious. So...damnit.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:14 AM

Can we acknowledge that he was playing well before the injury? He faced a huge number of shots both times as the team struggled. They happened to figure things out in the Kings game after the injury, and that wouldn't have mattered if Marty hadn't stood on his head. He hurt himself making the best save of the game. If he can't stay healthy, that's one thing, and if we have a shot to lock up Rinne at a good price, I do it, even if Marty would rather play, but at this point, he is in no way a liability or washed up. Just not the BEST GOALIE in the game anymore. We need to stop acting like the spoiled brats he made us.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:31 AM

I think it's an interesting question. I suspect he may essentially be done in that we may not be able to count on him as our No. 1 goalie. We'll see.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:44 AM

No, he's not. Awesome topic though. TotY? Posted Image


Its not meant to be a Chicken Little thread. He doesn't necessarily have to have his skills completely diminished to stop.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 10:48 AM

No use rushing him back. Let Hedberg play until he has a bad game and by that time, Marty should be fine
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:15 PM

It is clear that Marty does not have the skills he once has and has certainly proved he's recently had problems with injuries. Although Marty cant exactly be the lights out goalie he once was, the devils can (and are) thinking of him as I guy to split games. Like Manta says, we'll let Hedberg do his thing, because its kinda working
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:32 PM

It is clear that Marty does not have the skills he once has and has certainly proved he's recently had problems with injuries. Although Marty cant exactly be the lights out goalie he once was, the devils can (and are) thinking of him as I guy to split games. Like Manta says, we'll let Hedberg do his thing, because its kinda working


Clear based on what? One rough half-season last year (when the whole team stunk)? He played quite well in the second half. There's no way of telling where he is yet this season.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:38 PM

Clear based on what? One rough half-season last year (when the whole team stunk)? He played quite well in the second half. There's no way of telling where he is yet this season.

o stop. you think marty is still in his prime, huh?? im saying it is clear that a guy pushing 40 is not gonna be as quick and demanding as he once was
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:44 PM

out 7-10 days w/ shoulder.

what's crazy is that it really doesn't concern me at all. hedberg has been plenty solid to prove that he's capable.
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Posted 19 October 2011 - 01:52 PM

out 7-10 days w/ shoulder.

what's crazy is that it really doesn't concern me at all. hedberg has been plenty solid to prove that he's capable.


I know this may sound silly but I really hope Kindkaid gets a game in, better to get that off his shoulders early into his pro career. Pheonix or Dallas are equally decent starts for him.

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