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#21 robdeselich88

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 09:16 PM

the answer to everything http://soundcloud.co...ese/powerplay-j
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:14 PM

Other than the Center issue I think the other big part of the problem is our PP. You won't and can't win in the NHL without a PP.


Top 10 teams on the PP right now.

#1- Ottawa Senator: Top QB ---> Sergei Gonchar 0 Goal & 6 Assists Top PP Scorer ---> Jason Spezza 3 Goals & 4 Assists

#2- Colorado Avalanche: Top QB ---> Kyle Quincey 2 Goals & 2 Assists Top PP Scorer ---> Milan Hejduk 3 Goals & 2 Assists

#3- Washington Capitals: Top QB ---> Denis Wideman 1 goal & 3 Assists Top PP Scorer ---> Niklas Backstrom 1 goal & 7 Assists

#4- San Jose Sharks: Top QB ---> Dan Boyle 0 goal & 4 Assist Top PP Scorer ---> Joe Pavelski 3 goals & 1 Assist

#5 Florida Panthers: Top QB ---> Brian Campbell 0 goal & 7 Assists Top PP Scorer ---> Brian Campbell 0 goal & 7 Assists

#6 Los Angeles Kings: Top QB ---> Drew Doughty 2 goals & 2 Assists Top PP Scorer ---> Anze Kopitar 2 goals & 3 Assists

#7 Philadelphia Flyers: Top QB ---> Chris Pronger 1 goal & 4 Assists Top PP Scorer ---> Claude Giroux 4 goals & Assists

#8 Buffalo Sabres: Top QB ---> Christian Erhoff 0 goal & 2 Assists Top PP scorer ---> Jason Pominville 2 goals & 4 Assists

#9 Pittsburgh Penguins: Top QB ---> Kris Letang 1 goal & 5 Assists Top PP scorer ---> Evgeni Malkin 2 goals & 4 Assists

#10 New-York Islanders: Top QB ---> Mark Streit 1 goal & 3 Assists Top PP scorer ---> John Tavares 1 goals & 1 Assist



#28 New Jersey Devils: Top QB ---> Andy Greene 0 goals & 1 Assist Top PP Scorer ---> Ilya Kovalchuk 1 goal & 2 Assists


No QB on your power-play then there is no Power-play goals. When you look at the list above and watch these QB you see guys who move the puck and open space with how they move it to create goal chances.

(When I say move the puck I am talking about skating with the puck)



Devils now: 2 QB's that are completely static and never skate with the puck to create openings. We are passing the puck, but we are not even moving with the puck so the defense only have to block passing lanes and block the shooting lanes that are always the same since the 5 players (including the QB) are not moving at all.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:18 PM

Other than the Center issue I think the other big part of the problem is our PP. You won't and can't win in the NHL without a PP.


mmmm in a way yes... but the Bruins won the cup and were like... 2/156 on the PP in the playoffs lol
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:18 PM

Unless we change how we play our PP's then we are not going to score any PP goals and therefore we will have a mediocre offense all year long.

A true PP QB would also be very very welcomed.
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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:22 PM

Unless we change how we play our PP's then we are not going to score any PP goals and therefore we will have a mediocre offense all year long.

A true PP QB would also be very very welcomed.


yeah but its hard to call... some of them are overated... look at gonchar in Pittsburgh... now he's sh!tting the bed in ottawa and getting booed
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 02:50 AM

Not this year. Well i mean not right now. Already 6 assists on the pp and their pp is the best in the league.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 09:27 AM

yeah but its hard to call... some of them are overated... look at gonchar in Pittsburgh... now he's sh!tting the bed in ottawa and getting booed


yeah but ott has better guys than gonchar now....karlsson is leading the league in assists

check out this QB'ing of a power play

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXuEqMNTKBY&feature=feedu
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 10:36 AM

Also what I don't understand is people that are using the Bruins as an argument to try prove that we don't need a PP to win.

Fist of all the Bruins were an exception and even with that said, they had to score some in the final series against the Canucks.Second thing. When we will have a 3rd line as good as they had maybe we can talk of not scoring on the PP. Their 4 lines were chipping in goals all season long and helped a lot during the playoffs. We don't have a 3rd line nearly as good as what they had.

Also, yes they didn't have a PP, but did you see how they made it past the Canadiens for example. 7 games to get rid of the Habs when they could've done it in 4 games. I know its not the way you do it that counts, but a 7 game series is hard on the players and gives you less time to recover before you get to face your next opponent.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 11:10 AM

The Bruins were also 5th in overall goal scoring last season.

We're tied for 29th right now.

So... yeah.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 11:24 AM

The Bruins were also 5th in overall goal scoring last season.

We're tied for 29th right now.

So... yeah.


The Bruins were 29th overall in 2010. So... yeah.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 12:07 PM

The Bruins were 29th overall in 2010. So... yeah.

Did they win a cup or something in 2010 ?
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 12:22 PM

The Bruins were also 5th in overall goal scoring last season.

We're tied for 29th right now.

So... yeah.


We're tied for 27th. Not like that's much better, but still ...
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 12:22 PM

Did they win a cup or something in 2010 ?


they were able to make the playoffs barely but not if they in the west

as far as scoring went they had a healthy Lucic for 30 goals...the addition of Horton and Marchand blossumed into a twenty goal scorer

you can make the playoffs while being in the bottom 4th in scoring but its prob more likely being in the top 4th and/or having a good powerplay

Edited by justdo3043, 31 October 2011 - 12:32 PM.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 12:31 PM

Another thing is that when you look at the bottom 10 teams in term scoring goals right now in the NHL. 7 of them are part of the 10 bottom teams in term of PP.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 01:04 PM

they were able to make the playoffs barely but not if they in the west

as far as scoring went they had a healthy Lucic for 30 goals...the addition of Horton and Marchand blossumed into a twenty goal scorer

you can make the playoffs while being in the bottom 4th in scoring but its prob more likely being in the top 4th and/or having a good powerplay


If you were to choose between having a top 10 offense and bottom 10 defense or bottom 10 offense and top 10 defense, you want the latter.

My point with Boston is that they rode the percentages in the 2011 playoffs to win the Stanley Cup - they also got the short end of the percentages in 2010. These things aren't particularly predictable.

Edited by Triumph, 31 October 2011 - 01:06 PM.

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Posted 31 October 2011 - 04:25 PM

They also rode the best goalie in the league but in this day and age you don't need one of those either.
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 04:49 PM

They also rode the best goalie in the league but in this day and age you don't need one of those either.


maybe for a money-losing ECHL championship run you do, but at the NHL level, a dominant team can easily forgo a dominant goalie. if you predicted tim thomas as having the best goaltending season in history at age 36 coming off hip surgery and a season where he wasn't the best goalie on his own team, bully for you.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 06:43 AM

On the topic of Larsson, he needs to settle down and play his game. I honestly feel he's made a ton of plays already where, on a different team who's on fire offensively, he would've already had his first couple of assists by now.

If it's an issue of confidence, I think he would be better suited to being sent to Albany for a couple months. Dominate down there and get that poise and confidence back, then come back up to the Devils. In my opinion he probably should've been sent to Albany from the get-go anyway; better to take the safe route with a high end prospect then throw him into the fire right away.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 10:46 AM

Calling Lucic a "30 goal scorer" is incredibly disingenuous since 5 of his goals were ENG.
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Posted 01 November 2011 - 12:01 PM

we may sucks on the PP but Chicago is isnt worst too and they have firepower and some all stars dmen

Also we're the team who draw the less penalties so its not helping

on the bright side too we're 5th in the league on the PK
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