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#1 SterioDesign

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 12:55 PM

we look pretty bad now but i just can't imagine if we wouldnt have trade for Kovalchuk 2 years ago... pretty sure we would have finished dead last in the league last year too

i mean i really don't think we'd be a lot better with Cormier who didnt even made the jets roster this season, Bergfors who's all over the place, Oduya who got 3 goals and 23 assists since then and our pick turned out to be Kevin Hayes who's still in college. I think we're better off BY FAR with Kovalchuk now

there's no way with those guys that we could have made the run we had in the 2nd half last year, it was all Kovy.

The Kovy bashers are really out of their minds, our PP is already bad enough, but then who would play the point on the PP if we wouldnt have Kovy now?

anyways eventhough he can make bad plays and all sometimes im really glad we got him, i remember the pre-Kovy era... nothing electric or fancy was happening, Zach is good but he's not bringing the excitement carrying the puck like Kovy is.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 01:00 PM

The trade wasn't bad in hindsight. That's why people mention the contract instead. Could've done without the picks & cash penalty though, but that's another story...
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 01:00 PM

the best thing you can say about the trade is what we gave up hasn't amounted to a lot anyway......I don't know if that's a good thing when you trade for a "super star", but yay?:cheers:
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 01:12 PM

The trade I have no problem with, and doubt I will ever have a problem with. Even if Cormier turns into a great 3rd line center, it was a smart roll of the dice.

The contract I can easily see being quite regrettable at some point in the near future. I remain hopeful however.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 03:32 PM

The contract I can easily see being quite regrettable at some point in the near future. I remain hopeful however.


Isn't the contract heavily frontloaded? The odds of him playing here until he's 40 for hardly any money at all seem slim to none? So.. We get a super star at a "low" cap hit, and will most likely see him retire in his late 30ies, thus opening up the cap space? Or isn't that how it works?
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 03:53 PM

With his shot Kovy should still be a threat in his late 30s, when you think about it he's scoring most of his goals just standing and getting a one timer... so even if his legs arent what they are now... should do the job at least a little
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 04:40 PM

Isn't the contract heavily frontloaded? The odds of him playing here until he's 40 for hardly any money at all seem slim to none? So.. We get a super star at a "low" cap hit, and will most likely see him retire in his late 30ies, thus opening up the cap space? Or isn't that how it works?


This is his contract
http://capgeek.com/p...play.php?id=339

Next year he gets almost 11 million a year for 6 years. This could be an issue for ownership as they have massive debt obligations wrt to the Rock. Also it's questionable if Kovalchuk is really a "superstar" and will be one for the next 8 years (you can peruse every other post here for much debate on the issue). If he is even just great for the next 8 years, and ownership has no problem paying him (and others) then the contract will be fine assuming he retires when the writing's on the wall. If not, then it could majorly shackle the team for the next 14 years depending on what Kovalchuk does into the end of the deal.

Here's my fear: I don't know the team's finances but the minority owner of the team sold his share for negative 10 million dollars earlier (i.e. he paid 10 million just to get out of the debt obligation as part owner) and that was a major red flag. It's possible Vanderbeek is uncomfortable making a similar long term commitment to Parise given the Rock's revenue hasn't met his expecations. If the Devils lose Parise because they committed to Kovalchuk, I will certainly be fully with the "Kovalchuk contract was a mistake" contingent of the board.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 05:14 PM

If the Devils lose Parise because they committed to Kovalchuk, I will certainly be fully with the "Kovalchuk contract was a mistake" contingent of the board.


I've always been a big Kovy fan, so I am glad he's here. If it causes us to loose Parise I agree it was probably not a good signing for the franchise however. Let's hope that doesn't happen. :o
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 05:20 PM

we look pretty bad now but i just can't imagine if we wouldnt have trade for Kovalchuk 2 years ago... pretty sure we would have finished dead last in the league last year too


Very, very short sighted view.

We were a playoff team WITHOUT Kovalchuk. We gave up alot of quality players to fit him in the cap, we lost a lot of quality depth players in the trade and most important we lost a TEAM identity and will lose Parise.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 05:49 PM

Very, very short sighted view.

We were a playoff team WITHOUT Kovalchuk. We gave up alot of quality players to fit him in the cap, we lost a lot of quality depth players in the trade and most important we lost a TEAM identity and will lose Parise.

Oduya isnt better than anyone on our D. Ask any Thrasher/Jets fan

Cormier COULD be useful on our 4th line

Bergfors is floundering around the league.

I just dont see it Manta
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 05:55 PM

I think the trade is a fair one. If the team did not make that trade, We might get to the playoffs last year, but I don't think the team will win it all. Yes, we lost some good players and draft picks. However, if Larsson is the real deal, then, I will say Lou did a good job on this trade.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:35 PM

I've always been a big Kovy fan, so I am glad he's here. If it causes us to loose Parise I agree it was probably not a good signing for the franchise however. Let's hope that doesn't happen. :o


Agree TOO !!! said it in the kovy thread, if we lose zach the trade loses its punch, we need both these marquee players and scorers. kovy knew this; hopefully zach wants it
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:36 PM

i'll just let everyone's record post-trade speak for itself. cormier can't make the jets, one of the nhl's worst teams, and bergfors is on his way to being run out of his 4th organization. oduya is an average d man.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 07:29 PM

Very, very short sighted view.

We were a playoff team WITHOUT Kovalchuk. We gave up alot of quality players to fit him in the cap, we lost a lot of quality depth players in the trade and most important we lost a TEAM identity and will lose Parise.


Quality....are you serious. The only thing we lost in that Kovalchuk trade was 6.6 million in cap space.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 07:51 PM

Agree TOO !!! said it in the kovy thread, if we lose zach the trade loses its punch, we need both these marquee players and scorers. kovy knew this; hopefully zach wants it



I feel very tempted to mention that we've been next to last in scoring the past season and a half.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 07:59 PM

It's official, Manta is completely retarded.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 08:36 PM

Completely retarded ? Why ? I feel like some members here have been attacking Manta the past couple of months without even reading what he is writing or by focusing on 1 or 2 words and completely forgetting the rest of his post.

Do I completely agree whit what Manta is saying ? Nop, but I can't deny that his posts (as many other ones) is not 100% false and he is actually more than right with some of the things he said.

1st- We were a playoff team without Kovalchuk ? I don't think we had what is needed to be called a playoff team, but we where much more a playoff team than we are now.

2nd- We gave up a lot of quality players ? Yes totally agree. I guess Oduya can do better than what Salvador or Fayne can do or any other rookie we got in Albany that we will bring up. Bergfors was putting the puck in the net when we traded him and I guess that if he had stayed he would've continued to put it in and he would've probably improved instead of Clarkson who has barely managed 18 points last season while Bergfors was putting 36 points while playing 10 games less than Clarkson. Same thing for Zubrus.

3rd- Did we loose our team's identity ? Well with Kovalchuk blindly running up the ice, loosing the puck every 2 seconds, giving the puck to the opposing team players more than he gives it to his teammates and changing while we are in our zone to leave an empty spot bigger than the moon for the opposite teams players to fill in and score and off course all of that with the coach not saying anything because we don't want to hurt him since he is there for 15 years I guess we didn't loose any identity didn't we ? Do you think any other player on the team can do that without being punished ? I personally don't think so. I guess the rest of the players just don't see the difference don't they ?


Before calling people retarded just take the time to read the post and understand it since its a forum :rolleyes:

Edited by SS-SS, 25 October 2011 - 08:37 PM.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 09:24 PM

Completely retarded ? Why ? I feel like some members here have been attacking Manta the past couple of months without even reading what he is writing or by focusing on 1 or 2 words and completely forgetting the rest of his post.

Do I completely agree whit what Manta is saying ? Nop, but I can't deny that his posts (as many other ones) is not 100% false and he is actually more than right with some of the things he said.

1st- We were a playoff team without Kovalchuk ? I don't think we had what is needed to be called a playoff team, but we where much more a playoff team than we are now.

2nd- We gave up a lot of quality players ? Yes totally agree. I guess Oduya can do better than what Salvador or Fayne can do or any other rookie we got in Albany that we will bring up. Bergfors was putting the puck in the net when we traded him and I guess that if he had stayed he would've continued to put it in and he would've probably improved instead of Clarkson who has barely managed 18 points last season while Bergfors was putting 36 points while playing 10 games less than Clarkson. Same thing for Zubrus.

3rd- Did we loose our team's identity ? Well with Kovalchuk blindly running up the ice, loosing the puck every 2 seconds, giving the puck to the opposing team players more than he gives it to his teammates and changing while we are in our zone to leave an empty spot bigger than the moon for the opposite teams players to fill in and score and off course all of that with the coach not saying anything because we don't want to hurt him since he is there for 15 years I guess we didn't loose any identity didn't we ? Do you think any other player on the team can do that without being punished ? I personally don't think so. I guess the rest of the players just don't see the difference don't they ?


Before calling people retarded just take the time to read the post and understand it since its a forum :rolleyes:


Shut up retard.
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 09:31 PM

Very, very short sighted view.

We were a playoff team WITHOUT Kovalchuk. We gave up alot of quality players to fit him in the cap, we lost a lot of quality depth players in the trade and most important we lost a TEAM identity and will lose Parise.


i knew this would come, and just like i planned... im gonna ignore it
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Posted 25 October 2011 - 09:34 PM

It has been 628 days from the date of the Kovalchuk trade.

Or 1 year, 8 months, 21 days.

628 days can be converted to one of these units:

* 54,259,200 seconds
* 904,320 minutes
* 15,072 hours
* 89 weeks (rounded down)

Edited by GoArmySports, 25 October 2011 - 09:34 PM.

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