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Read the article. I think there are some subconscious jabs at Kovy by both Lou and Patty Elias here (IMO). I could be overblowing or reading into it a bit.
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Current Devils need unselfish, team approach Joe Nieuwendyk brought
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 04:34 PM
You're reading into it too much. Could be about anyone.
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 04:41 PM
Well there's only one or two guys on the team that can win a scoring title and that got referenced 
It's easy to pin everything on Kovy but I think if anything a lot of his 'selfishness' comes from caring too much, trying to do everything by himself. There probably is truth to that criticism, though not in the way it gets perceived by the Kovy haters.
It's easy to pin everything on Kovy but I think if anything a lot of his 'selfishness' comes from caring too much, trying to do everything by himself. There probably is truth to that criticism, though not in the way it gets perceived by the Kovy haters.
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 04:43 PM
Could be one guy. Could be the whole locker room. Could simply be Lou and Elias making a statement to the whole team that everybody needs to put individuality aside and become one machine. All I read into the article is that the team hasn't completely cast aside doing things individuality yet. You see our third line and how they've played lately. They seem to get what Lou and Elias are saying above the rest of the team right now. Same with the fourth line.
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 05:23 PM
if anything Kovy could be WAY MORE selfish in the offensive zone
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 05:25 PM
if anything Kovy could be WAY MORE selfish in the offensive zone
Hes the first person that came to my mind when I read "unselfish"
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 05:34 PM
Lou brought in Kovy. He knows what Kovy is. We can't expect him not to be what Kovy is.
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 06:17 PM
Read the article. I think there are some subconscious jabs at Kovy by both Lou and Patty Elias here (IMO). I could be overblowing or reading into it a bit.
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if anything Kovy could be WAY MORE selfish in the offensive zone
Hes the first person that came to my mind when I read "unselfish"
What they said. Kovy always (almost to a FAULT) looks for a pass when he breaks into the zone. He doesn't pull an Ovy and try the 1-v-1 move for the sexy highlight goal.
Do people actually watch the game, or just know OF Kovalchuk, this supremely offensively gifted player and assume he's a selfish jackass? And that everyone else on the team MUST resent him? For fvcks sake people...
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 06:38 PM
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What they said. Kovy always (almost to a FAULT) looks for a pass when he breaks into the zone. He doesn't pull an Ovy and try the 1-v-1 move for the sexy highlight goal.
Do people actually watch the game, or just know OF Kovalchuk, this supremely offensively gifted player and assume he's a selfish jackass? And that everyone else on the team MUST resent him? For fvcks sake people...
/rant
I do think he tries to do a little to much from time to time but he is trying Ill give him that. Live I have previously said, he isnt known for being a play maker, he is known for having a deadly shot. If you have a player that can set him up, your golden.
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 07:26 PM
my main beef with kovy is that he consistently tries to skate the puck up the whole length of the ice.
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 07:46 PM
this is way more complicated then "kovi" and i don't know if it will ever have meaning...that will depend on many characters taking different messages from the same story and creating something greater then expected
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"The $297,297 Kovalchuk missed today is money he will never, ever get back. And the more cheques he misses, the better the deal is going to have to be for the players to justify him sitting out. And unlike the owners, the players can direct their leadership to get a deal done regardless of how disadvantageous it is to them."
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Posted 28 October 2011 - 08:11 PM
He doesn't pull an Ovy and try the 1-v-1 move for the sexy highlight goal.
You're right. He does the 1-v-3 move for the sexy giveaway.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 09:23 AM
if he didn't, we would all say what did we bring him in for? he's damned both ways. when we get zajac back, and get him (the correct-maybe napalm) right winger to balence it out.I do think he tries to do a little to much from time to time but he is trying Ill give him that. Live I have previously said, he isnt known for being a play maker, he is known for having a deadly shot. If you have a player that can set him up, your golden.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 03:55 PM
wayne gretzky led the league in giveaways too, fyi
Your point being?
With Gretzky, it's kind of allowed when you're the best player ever to play in the NHL.
Kovy's not even the best player on his own team.
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Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.
Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.
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It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:03 PM
wayne gretzky led the league in giveaways too, fyi
That's because Gretzky always had the puck and always creating something. There's a difference in a player looking to create then a player selfishly trying to beat a team 1 on 3 or a player blindly throwing it around like a hot potato.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:16 PM
wayne gretzky led the league in giveaways too, fyi
outstanding. Gretzky actually won stuff on the ice, he wasn't a paper champ which seems to matter most in your book.
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:22 PM
outstanding. Gretzky actually won stuff on the ice, he wasn't a paper champ which seems to matter most in your book.
17 has no business being compared to 99
ok but this article is not directed at kovi
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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:24 PM
i don't even think giveaways are a meaningful stat because of scorer bias. my point is that kovalchuk being a leader in giveaways means he gets the puck a lot. i wouldn't be surprised if kovalchuk has the puck more often than anyone in the league.
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