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#141 hattrick

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 08:58 AM

Nets game have more jews than blacks attend their games

Really. I would like to see your scientific concrete data and sources to back this up.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:12 AM

I don't miss driving either...but if you're going with a group or live far away frequently it costs less to split one parking fee. Plus when I take the train on weekends I have an hour layover in Newark from the time the game ends till the next train arrives at Broad Street.


A roundtrip ticket from Somerville to Newark is $20.50 per person. So for my girlfriend and I that is $41. After the game, the train leaves at 10:08 on weekdays and it gets to somerville around 11:10 and by the time we get through the door of our home it is about 11:20ish.

A parking lot in a green zone lot is $15 for the car and after the game we take rt 78 home to 287 and then 206 and we are usually home by about 10:30 the latest.

Driving is a ton easier, faster, and more comfortable as I rather deal with a little traffic than loud, obnoxious underage kids or college kids who have been drinking all night at the game and using a curse word as every other word in their vocabulary.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:31 AM

Yet attendance has gone up since the move, like it or not. Haven't you heard of Detroit, Chicago, St. Louis, D.C. and LA? Do fans stay away based on the crime in those cities?


That is a terrible example I'm sorry. Those are major cities with safe and dangerous neighborhoods with metropolitan areas spanning many millions of people. There are between NFL, NBA, NHL, MLS, and MLB there are 15 pro sports teams within a 2 hour drive of my house. Compare that to 4 in Detroit, 5 in Chicago, 3 in St Louis, 5 in DC, and 5 in LA (2 MLS, 1 NHL, 2 NBA).

Fans in Detroit never have to go through Hamtramck and awful sections of the city to get to Red Wings games.

In Chicago, there's a massive mass transit system. The arena is also on W Madison street which is a short drive from the downtown area with the skyscrapers and stuff.

Fans in STL don't have to go through East STL and and the southern part of the city where it's rough. The arena is right in the downtown area.

DC has the cleanest metro in the country.

Same with LA. The Staples Center is located directly downtown and is surrounded by attractions, businesses, and tons of people.


In ALL of these cases, the metro system and highways make it so you would never know these ghettos and dangerous areas even exist.
In Newark, you're going right into the heart of the bad area. Have you been down Market St? Where those other cities you mentioned would have nice restaurants, Macys and other upscale retail, and expensive apartments, Newark has discount shoes, ghetto clothing, gated and boarded buildings, and not one building that is under 50 years old it seems. If you're on Broad St and make ONE wrong turn up Clinton Ave... you are immediately in one of the most dangerous areas of the country. The subway is not usable for the Prudential Center. Ironbound aside, there's nowhere for hockey fans to even live in Newark.

Besides Ironbound, Newark is a garbage dump. If you're not going to a game or out to eat in Ironbound, there's no reason to ever go there. If you find yourself on any South numbered street when the sun goes down, you might as well slit your wrists on the sidewalk and leave your car unlocked to be taken.

Every city has bad areas... but in this case, Newark IS A BAD AREA all together.

Coming from Long Island (Mid-Suffolk county), I pretty much have no choice but to take the train. I go LIRR to NY Penn, then hop on the PATH train to NWK Penn. Even though this trip takes about an hour and a half, it is exponentially better than driving in.

Driving to the Meadowlands was hard enough. If anyone is still driving in to The Rock, I highly encourage you to get on mass transit. You won't regret it.


I did it a few times on Saturdays when I wanted to drink and not worry about having to drive... but the Rock is a 15 minute drive from my house. We, EVERY TIME, get free parking on the street. For me, at least, driving is cheaper and easier.
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#144 Vic Rattlehead18

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:43 AM

Really. I would like to see your scientific concrete data and sources to back this up.


My scientific concrete data is that I know a few science teachers. My source are my eyes. Considering that I'm at about 80% of the nets home games. I see way more jews than any other grouping of people. And if we're gonna talk about a business/money making aspect; do you really think the arena makes any money off the 1200 $30-60 seats black people buy or the 120 $1000-2000 seats jews and celebrities buy?
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 09:57 AM

While I don't mind what we have now...takes about 45 minutes w/out traffic for me and my pops to get to the Rock and it's easier to get to the CAA ever was, I personally would have prefered the arena to be have been built in Parsippany. I know a lot of people are going say it wouldn't make sense mass transit wise but it would be easier to get to then going to Newark. The traffic there on Fridays is outrageously awful. Hoboken is a great city but from what I remember hearing the parking situation would have made it a terrible choice. I remember hearing if it was in Hoboken that there would be this underground parking lot or rooftop parking lot (something like that). That would have been a disaster. A disaster of the old Meadowlands caliber where it took you FOREVER to leave (especially if there was horseracing going on). The land over in Parsippany might have been more expensive to obtain then the land over in Newark but putting an arena there wouldn't have been too far-fetched. A lot of the area by there is wooded. You could have easily created it's own exit (A'la PNC Bank Arts Center)

Whenever I pass by Parsippany to go to games I always wonder why they never thought of moving the team over there. The land in Newark must have came really cheap.


I currently live in Parsippany, and formerly lived in Hoboken. Both of those towns would have been a disaster if an Arena was constructed there. While Parisppany is accessed by a number of major roadways (80, 287, 46, 10), they are ALWAYS jammed with traffic during rush hour. There is no train station in Parsippany (with the exception of the Mount Tabor stop that can't even be considered a train station). Getting there just wouldn't be very convenient for most people, especially those traveling from Middlesex, Monmouth, and Bergen counties. In addition, most people felt the area around the CAA was isolated, and this area would have been the same thing.

Hoboken is too small of a city to capacity the population it has now. The streets are narrow, there's not enough parking, traffic on Observer highway is always a mess, and the backup of traffic entering the Holland Tunnel (which you will have to sit in to get to Hobken when coming from 280 and 78) can add more than 30 minutes to your commute. The town is just too small to hold a major spaorts arena, not to mention there are not enough direct trainlines to Hoboken from all areas to make mass transit a major option.

Plus, the whole idea was to put the team into a city with mass transit nearby. They hoped that they could do for Newark what the Verizon Center, Camden Yards, and numerous other buildings did for their respective areas, which was spur private development through the creation of stores, restaurants, bars, and hotels. This hasn't happened yet on the scale they had hoped for. The horrible economy since the arena opened is likely the primary reason for this.

I have to say, Newark is a crime ridden city. However, the Newark PD does a great job of policing the area around the Rock. I never feel unsafe or in danger going to or from a game, even when I bring my 3 year old. If you are not knowledgeable about Newark (or are too worried for your safety), then stick to the major roadways (Rt. 21) or, if you take mass trasnit, walk through the Gateway Center buildings to enter and leave the area around the arena and you will have no problem. I think the whole issue regarding people's concerns for their own "personal safety" in Newark are way overblown.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:05 AM

Fans in Detroit never have to go through Hamtramck and awful sections of the city to get to Red Wings games.

Neither do our fans. And the Joe is still located in an awful part of downtown according to folks who have been there(including Red Wing fans).

In Chicago, there's a massive mass transit system. The arena is also on W Madison street which is a short drive from the downtown area with the skyscrapers and stuff.

It's not located within downtown, it's located in one of the rougher areas of the city. Even Devils fans who have been there say it's much worse than where our arena is located. As far as the subway, distance between the arena and station(which has 1 line) is longer than the distance between the Rock and Penn Station(which has multiple transit lines and an indoor skywalk up near the arena).

Fans in STL don't have to go through East STL and and the southern part of the city where it's rough. The arena is right in the downtown area.

What about the fans using Metrolink coming through E. St. Louis and others? St. Louis is still ranked near the top of most dangerous cities in the nation like Detroit.

Same with LA. The Staples Center is located directly downtown and is surrounded by attractions, businesses, and tons of people.

Also borders South LA and prostitution remains a problem outside the LA Live area. Folks coming in from the south have to go through bad areas too.

In Newark, you're going right into the heart of the bad area. Have you been down Market St? Where those other cities you mentioned would have nice restaurants, Macys and other upscale retail, and expensive apartments, Newark has discount shoes, ghetto clothing, gated and boarded buildings, and not one building that is under 50 years old it seems. If you're on Broad St and make ONE wrong turn up Clinton Ave... you are immediately in one of the most dangerous areas of the country. The subway is not usable for the Prudential Center. Ironbound aside, there's nowhere for hockey fans to even live in Newark.

Sorry, is there a Macy's next to the Joe or United Center? What you just described on Market Street is what you described for the areas immediately surrounding the Joe United Center, even north and east of the Verizon Center(been there 2008 and 2009, I can vouch for this). As shabby as that area is, it's not the heart of the bad area, that would be further west. And why would you make a turn up Clinton Avenue when you have 21, Broad Street and the trains to take?

The subway is 2 blocks away with a line that has a station in Bloomfield with a park/ride. How is it not useable?

Besides Ironbound, Newark is a garbage dump.

If you honestly believe Ironbound is the ONLY good area of the city you're kidding yourself. I've been throughout the city, live closeby and that statement is so ignorant it's not even funny. Most of North Newark would like a word with you. Same with the downtown CBD(didn't know skyscrapers, NJPAC, museums and others=garbage dump). It's fine if you hate Newark so much, but if it's so bad why would they put an arena and the state's performing arts center there?

Edited by Marv4Life, 07 November 2011 - 10:21 AM.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:05 AM

To be fair, depends where you live. I took the trains once from Dover and would never do it again. I've driven in 15+ times and find it so much easier and quicker.


The Morris-Dover line is joke getting to Newark. First, it lets you off at Broad Street Station, then you need to catch a bus to the Rock. It takes close to an hour on the train, and it costs each person almost as much to take the train as it does to park. I drive from Parsippany and get to the arena is less than a 1/2 hour. The train may be a better option from places in Monmouth and Middlesex Counties, but not from most of Morris County. But that's why they chose to build in Newark to begin with, it provides everyone with an option to get there.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:06 AM

My scientific concrete data is that I know a few science teachers. My source are my eyes. Considering that I'm at about 80% of the nets home games. I see way more jews than any other grouping of people. And if we're gonna talk about a business/money making aspect; do you really think the arena makes any money off the 1200 $30-60 seats black people buy or the 120 $1000-2000 seats jews and celebrities buy?

So I guess u go around asking everyone that attends a Nets game what religion they are and what their income is? and u came to the conclusion that everyone who is white is a Jew? hmmmmmmm. Definitely hard to believe or you are pulling our leg or you are a racist.

I think the ADMINS should consider banning you from this forum if you are a racist.

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:12 AM

My scientific concrete data is that I know a few science teachers. My source are my eyes. Considering that I'm at about 80% of the nets home games. I see way more jews than any other grouping of people. And if we're gonna talk about a business/money making aspect; do you really think the arena makes any money off the 1200 $30-60 seats black people buy or the 120 $1000-2000 seats jews and celebrities buy?


You need to end this talk now dude. This sh!t is ridiculous, and as racist as I have seen anything posted on this board.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:12 AM

Two things:

Joe Louis is not in a safe area.

If you are driving to Verizon Center from the East, you will go through much worse neighborhoods than anything you see on 21 in either direction.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:15 AM

You need to end this talk now dude. This sh!t is ridiculous, and as racist as I have seen anything posted on this board.


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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:19 AM

I smell a race war coming.....
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:26 AM

Neither do our fans. And the Joe is still located in an awful part of downtown according to folks who have been there(including Red Wing fans).

It's not located within downtown, it's located in one of the rougher areas of the city. Even Devils fans who have been there say it's much worse than where our arena is located. As far as the subway, distance between the arena and station(which has 1 line) is longer than the distance between the Rock and Penn Station.


What about the fans using Metrolink coming through E. St. Louis and others? St. Louis is still ranked near the top of most dangerous cities in the nation like Detroit.

Also borders South LA and prostitution remains a problem outside the LA Live area. Folks coming in from the south have to go through bad areas too.

Sorry, is there a Macy's next to the Joe or United Center? What you just described on Market Street is what you described for the areas immediately surrounding the Joe United Center, even north and east of the Verizon Center(been there 2008 and 2009, I can vouch for this). As shabby as that area is, it's not the heart of the bad area, that would be further west. And why would you make a turn up Clinton Avenue when you have 21, Broad Street and the trains to take?

The subway is 2 blocks away with a line that has a station in Bloomfield with a park/ride. How is it not useable?
If you honestly believe Ironbound is the ONLY good area of the city you're kidding yourself. I've been throughout the city, live closeby and that statement is so ignorant it's not even funny. Most of North Newark would like a word with you.


I'll admit there there are some live-able areas in North Newark by the cathedral and the park... but it's the overall point that you're missing. New York City is where everyone wants to be. There are some sketchy areas in the Bronx, Alphabet City, Brooklyn, and so on. That is never going to deter anyone from going to a sporting event because the MASS of people that are around. There are always people going everywhere at all hours. That's what makes people feel safe on the subways, buses, and walking around. Same with Chicago, St Louis, DC, and the other cities we're talking about. Chicago, DC, and LA are located in cities that have very nice and expensive living and shopping neighborhoods with a good metro system to take them right to the front door of the arena. In those markets, they aren't competing with other cities for sports fans. Besides us die hard Devils fans, who the hell would rather go hang out in Newark instead of New York City. In the southern half of the state, who would rather go to Newark than drive or take a train to Philly? Philly has some messed up crime ridden areas as well but it also has a handful of nice neighborhoods with bars, restaurants, loft apartments, museums, attractions, and so on.

For the North Ward of Newark, would you take a stroll through Branch Brook park at night?


Yeah, St Louis has some awful areas. East St Louis makes Newark look like a resort. But it's a metro area with no immediate competition as far as sports markets. There are a lot of things to do in St Louis where one wouldn't have to worry about crime and being in a bad area. The metro area is 2.9 million people as well. Anyone coming from the E STL side is going to be on a highway coming down into the downtown area. NO ONE is driving down State St and Collinsville Ave in ESTL to get to Blues games. You'd be on Rt 55, 64, 40 and so on.

Do you know anyone that has taken the subway in Newark for a game? For any reason? I'm just curious... not really trying to prove a point. Just because I don't know anyone that has ever even considered that an option to be honest.


Detroit is in a class of its own. There is an attendance issue there. No matter what they announce as the attendance number, there are a lot of empty seats. They need a new building with modern amenities BADLY.

I guess what I'm trying to get you to understand is that refusing to travel to a city because of its crime and reputation is LIGHT YEARS different in Newark than any of your other examples.



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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:33 AM

Two things:

Joe Louis is not in a safe area.

If you are driving to Verizon Center from the East, you will go through much worse neighborhoods than anything you see on 21 in either direction.


If you're in DC why would you be driving to the Verizon Center? I know what neighborhoods you are talking about. I've been there a bunch of times. If you're coming from Virginia, you can park in Alexandria and take the metro to the arena. If you are in Maryland, then you have the luxury of being able to park in Georgetown or Chevy Chase.

Again not my point anyway. If you are visiting DC for a game... it is an area that you can get there on a Saturday morning, see the sights, check out a museum, restaurants, historical venues, and so on and then have a nice dinner at HUNDREDS of restaurants before going to the arena for the game.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:35 AM

Also, give Karl (Vic Rattlehead) a break. He's coming off wrong. What he's trying to say is that he works at the arena as an usher and he observes almost every basketball game there where he notices that the demographic is not the diverse Newark locals. It's suburbanites and corporate types. Just having a basketball team in Newark does not mean that the ticket prices are going to be low enough for the Newark locals to attend the games. He's a good friend of mine and he's not a racist jerk nor is he trying to be. It's hard to talk about a subject like that without being questioned about how you come off.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:38 AM

Also, give Karl (Vic Rattlehead) a break. He's coming off wrong. What he's trying to say is that he works at the arena as an usher and he observes almost every basketball game there where he notices that the demographic is not the diverse Newark locals. It's suburbanites and corporate types. Just having a basketball team in Newark does not mean that the ticket prices are going to be low enough for the Newark locals to attend the games. He's a good friend of mine and he's not a racist jerk nor is he trying to be. It's hard to talk about a subject like that without being questioned about how you come off.


Sorry dude. You are in the wrong. Comments like that do not deserve a break either. Noticing the demographic is not diverse is not what he said at all.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:40 AM

Yeah, St Louis has some awful areas. East St Louis makes Newark look like a resort.


Excuse me, Holmes?

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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:41 AM

The Morris-Dover line is joke getting to Newark. First, it lets you off at Broad Street Station, then you need to catch a bus to the Rock. It takes close to an hour on the train, and it costs each person almost as much to take the train as it does to park. I drive from Parsippany and get to the arena is less than a 1/2 hour. The train may be a better option from places in Monmouth and Middlesex Counties, but not from most of Morris County. But that's why they chose to build in Newark to begin with, it provides everyone with an option to get there.


My wife and i take the train from Morris County to games. While it takes a good hour, it is more convienient for us as we both work/live in the area. We can drive there faster, but we prefer relaxing/eating on the train after a long day. We've never driven to a game and never will. The cost is relative. I'd rather spend the $ to ride a train then the same amount to drive anyday.

Why take the bus to the Rock? Take the light rail, too.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:42 AM

Excuse me, Holmes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwBoa-NbNL8



Haha every time I read an article or hear people talking about the crime in St. Louis I always think of that scene.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:42 AM

If you're in DC why would you be driving to the Verizon Center? I know what neighborhoods you are talking about. I've been there a bunch of times. If you're coming from Virginia, you can park in Alexandria and take the metro to the arena. If you are in Maryland, then you have the luxury of being able to park in Georgetown or Chevy Chase.


Because driving might be more convenient than parking and taking the Metro? Especially coming from the East? You can do the same for Newark - park all over the place and take NJ Transit or the PATH to the game.

Again not my point anyway. If you are visiting DC for a game... it is an area that you can get there on a Saturday morning, see the sights, check out a museum, restaurants, historical venues, and so on and then have a nice dinner at HUNDREDS of restaurants before going to the arena for the game.


Sure, and I won't debate that, but what I will say is that the arena surrounding Verizon Center was a dump when it was built.
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