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#21 Devil Fan

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 04:18 PM

Bettman wants us to lose. That is the only explanation I can think of.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:35 PM

The problem with hockey and football is that they have to continuously change the rules due to poor officiating. Both leagues should NOT have league officials monitering these replays. They never want to contradict their fellow officials

My two favorite leagues- the NHL and the NFL- are both currently under some of the worst leadership, from the top down, in their respective histories. I can't stand Bettman or Goodell.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 06:56 PM

mike murphy's official NHL interpretation is bizarre. http://video.nhl.com...tid=2&id=132800
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:05 PM

Yes, it seems like Murphy is reading the rules improperly. Murphy applies the spin-o-rama rule to a non spin-o-rama play.

:lol: @ Murphy saying that slow motion shouldn't be used because that's an unfair analysis. So he is saying that it is better to get the call wrong than to use slow motion, which is a ridiculous position for an instant replay judge.

Just crazy that an NHL official has an official explanation that bears no relation to the rule as written.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:08 PM

mike murphy's official NHL interpretation is bizarre. http://video.nhl.com...tid=2&id=132800


Wow, so he basically admits that there is almost no situation where the rule will be enforced. The PUCK has to come to a stop? Seriously? It's on ice, dude, it's never going to happen. So in other words, there's nothing wrong with a player coming to a complete stop for ten minutes right in front of the goalie as long as he keeps stick handling the puck? Wow. How long until this non-rule gets abused?
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:12 PM

How COULD have briere been "more" stopped exactly? He stopped.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:28 PM

How COULD have briere been "more" stopped exactly? He stopped.


Yes, he did stop. But the puck didn't, so it's totally fine. Or something.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 07:42 PM

Yes, he did stop. But the puck didn't, so it's totally fine. Or something.


But I thought it did stop.. I see him skate up, then put his stick in front of the puck, pull it back about 3 or so inches, and continue on.. To have the puck move backwards even the smallest amount means it had to have stopped

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 08:07 PM

http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=2&id=132800

Interview with NHL VP Mike Murphy - He actually says something along the lines of "Sure, when you slow the replay down then you see it came to a stop, but you have to look at the play in real-time" It's at like 1:15


HOLY F***ING SH**!! So he's saying you have to look at replays in real-time?! WTF do we have replays for if we should only look at them in real time?? The damn ref on the ice is there looking at it in real time!! That's such a cop-out BS answer that I've lost all respect for replays.. The point is to get the damn call right!!

What I essentially got from this was "We did everything we could to ensure we had an excuse for giving the Flyers a chance.." Seriously, after the officials called a penalty on the Devils after every somewhat-physical play last night, coupled with the fact that we are continously screwed by replays (anyone recall the Clarkson "kick-in" against Ottawa last season that has been allowed at least 3 times since then against us) I really hate to say someone has it out for us but DAMN, the evidence is there

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 08:25 PM

now this also means that a player can go wide right to left (or left to right) and if the goalie follows him and doesn't give him a shot, the player can then come around and try the other direction and back and forth as long as the puck is moving? Its clear that moving towards the goal line rule isn't enforced making it utterly useless.Or he can stand in front of the goalkeeper and just keeping moving the puck left and right and simply wait until the GK falls or makes the first move or something?

Edited by Anhkheg, 04 November 2011 - 08:41 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 08:58 PM

Haha, Mike Murphy is a tool.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:04 PM

You guys have pretty much said it all already. I just don't get the rule on forward motion then. It says the puck MUST continually be moving forward and it's pretty clear that Briere stops and while doing so pulls the puck back as he starts moving again. To repeat what you all have said already, if that's not considered as the puck stopping, then I guess nothing really is.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:09 PM

The NHL has embarassed itself yet again. Just say you fvcked the call up and move on. The bullsh!t attempts at justification are flat-out cartoonish.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:14 PM

So basically Murphy is saying If the goalie cuts off all avenues of forward motion before the shooter gets his shot off the shooter can stop, regroup and change his direction as long as it's in about a 15-20 second - nah im being sarcastic. In reality in about a 5-10 second time frame.

Seriously. That what he thinks the spirit of the rule is.

Edited by Pepperkorn, 04 November 2011 - 09:18 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:17 PM

The NHL has embarassed itself yet again. Just say you fvcked the call up and move on. The bullsh!t attempts at justification are flat-out cartoonish.


Thats exactly what I am saying. Its not amusing anymore and it needs to be taken under control IMO.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:22 PM

The NHL has embarassed itself yet again. Just say you fvcked the call up and move on. The bullsh!t attempts at justification are flat-out cartoonish.


Hit the nail on the head.. What a complete joke.. Just like how they defending Colin Campbell's decisions to no end and then pretty much dumped him for Shanny
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:25 PM

What's annoying is Larssons hip check was in the spirit of the game. So much was "by the book" against the Devils but "Awe c'mon that's not the spirit of the rule" for the Flyers.

Awe c'mon. Devils are losers we can finally start calling it that way again. It's the spirit of the NHL. Flyers winners... Spirit of the game duh?

And STILL the Flyers can't pull the win out of theirass "Well good for the Devils! That's what makes hockey great!" coo the fvckheads in Toronto. Jackasses
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:27 PM

Hit the nail on the head.. What a complete joke.. Just like how they defending Colin Campbell's decisions to no end and then pretty much dumped him for Shanny

It's like they just make the rules up as they go along. It's been this way for years, and it just seems to get progressively worse. There's no accountability by anyone. It's a joke that a major professional sports league operates this way.
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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:28 PM

The NHL has embarassed itself yet again. Just say you fvcked the call up and move on. The bullsh!t attempts at justification are flat-out cartoonish.

Yeah. On the nose. Someone didn't really look at the play. They saw the rearview replay In real time. Hey were busy here. Yeah. Have another donut.... Eh?

Edited by Pepperkorn, 04 November 2011 - 09:28 PM.

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 09:32 PM

It's like they just make the rules up as they go along. It's been this way for years, and it just seems to get progressively worse. There's no accountability by anyone. It's a joke that a major professional sports league operates this way.


Thats exactly how it is. They go by the game. If the one ref feels that the Devils dont deserve to have the call go in their favor then it isnt. Thats as far as it goes. The refs arent being looked at as if they represent the NHL and all that is fair in the world. They are their own bosses. The calls need to be in the sake of hockey, not the outcome.
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