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#41 SterioDesign

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Posted 04 November 2011 - 11:39 PM

I mean i dont like to sound like a whinning fan saying that the refs and the league are always against us... Saying the others teams never get calls and that we get them all... Its totally ridiculous, how could it be possible really?

But damn those last 2 years are terrible and its mind boggling... Again were last in the league on drawn penaltes and all those no goals call against us and the good goals allowed for the other team... Its troubling

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 03:54 AM

But damn those last 2 years are terrible and its mind boggling... Again were last in the league on drawn penaltes and all those no goals call against us and the good goals allowed for the other team... Its troubling

There really does seem to be a lot of pucks that don't bounce our way and also calls that go against us.




In other news, I hate to support Briere, but I think it was a good goal and the puck did not go backwards or stop. It looked to me like he flicked the puck towards the side/corner while he was snowing Moose and then was able to keep control of it while he restarted. It was never really a question of him stopping either, I was watching the puck and it was good. And another thing someone sed is true. It is good they counted the goal or ALL of Philthadelphia would have been bitching about how unfair the officiating was even with all the BULLsh!t calls that were made FOR them.


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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:43 AM

Is there a list somewhere that shows where we stand on powerplays over a season, let's say over the last five years? We are dead last so far this season...

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:52 AM

I mean i dont like to sound like a whinning fan saying that the refs and the league are always against us... Saying the others teams never get calls and that we get them all... Its totally ridiculous, how could it be possible really?

But damn those last 2 years are terrible and its mind boggling... Again were last in the league on drawn penaltes and all those no goals call against us and the good goals allowed for the other team... Its troubling


I feel the exact same way as you.. I hate to be one of those people claiming the league is out to get us, but we have been shafted the past 2 seasons and it's frustrating
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 10:48 AM

I feel the exact same way as you.. I hate to be one of those people claiming the league is out to get us, but we have been shafted the past 2 seasons and it's frustrating


I dont think its the league, or Bettman handing down the orders to stomp our team with calls but I think its just the issue with so many different opinions on what the calls constitute as. There needs to be rules and regulations for the refs as well.

How much training and classes are required to become a NHL referee?
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 12:04 PM

I dont think its the league, or Bettman handing down the orders to stomp our team with calls but I think its just the issue with so many different opinions on what the calls constitute as. There needs to be rules and regulations for the refs as well.

How much training and classes are required to become a NHL referee?

There does seem to be some ambiguity with this rule and also the kicking motion. It's such a difficult sport to officiate I think they should focus on making the rules more clear and concise so that less is left up to interpretation. Why not make it if the puck or the player stops on a penalty shot it's no goal, and any time the puck is knocked in with any motion (kicking or not) it doesn't count? It would be harder to screw that up, so we would have more consistent officiating.

As for training and classes required to become an NHL ref--it is almost impossible to work your way up that far, or any minor league. Think of how virtually impossible it is to become a professional hockey player, and then realize that become a pro ref is even much more exclusive than that. It's not like you just send your resume, fill out an application, check off the box that asks if you can skate, and wait to be called in for an interview.

While I'm on this tangent, I can't stand the people who say the refs suck or are blind, etc. I know this isn't what you're saying here, but those people really just don't get it and have obviously never reffed a game in their life. Things happen at such a ridiculous pace in this sport, especially at the pro level, and the on-ice officials are right in the middle of the action where it happens so much faster than we see it happen in our zoomed out view on TV or in the stands. Now when the video goal judge, who has the luxury of watching plays happen over and over and over again at a much slower pace, gets a call wrong, that's when I get frustrated.

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Posted 05 November 2011 - 12:24 PM

There does seem to be some ambiguity with this rule and also the kicking motion. It's such a difficult sport to officiate I think they should focus on making the rules more clear and concise so that less is left up to interpretation. Why not make it if the puck or the player stops on a penalty shot it's no goal, and any time the puck is knocked in with any motion (kicking or not) it doesn't count? It would be harder to screw that up, so we would have more consistent officiating.

As for training and classes required to become an NHL ref--it is almost impossible to work your way up that far, or any minor league. Think of how virtually impossible it is to become a professional hockey player, and then realize that become a pro ref is even much more exclusive than that. It's not like you just send your resume, fill out an application, check off the box that asks if you can skate, and wait to be called in for an interview.

While I'm on this tangent, I can't stand the people who say the refs suck or are blind, etc. I know this isn't what you're saying here, but those people really just don't get it and have obviously never reffed a game in their life. Things happen at such a ridiculous pace in this sport, especially at the pro level, and the on-ice officials are right in the middle of the action where it happens so much faster than we see it happen in our zoomed out view on TV or in the stands. Now when the video goal judge, who has the luxury of watching plays happen over and over and over again at a much slower pace, gets a call wrong, that's when I get frustrated.


Well thats true. I mean they are human after all. Ofcourse they will make mistakes. They only have 2 eyes etc. I just think that they need to be more on key with eachother and know what they are calling....then call it. The problem is these mistakes are constantly happening on a regular basis. That is what needs to change. Im not saying that these guys arent doing a good job because they are absolutely doing a great job, they just need to be more on par. I wouldnt even say its their fault, its the NHL's for not organizing the issues at hand.
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Posted 05 November 2011 - 09:39 PM

Yes, it seems like Murphy is reading the rules improperly. Murphy applies the spin-o-rama rule to a non spin-o-rama play.

:lol: @ Murphy saying that slow motion shouldn't be used because that's an unfair analysis. So he is saying that it is better to get the call wrong than to use slow motion, which is a ridiculous position for an instant replay judge.

Just crazy that an NHL official has an official explanation that bears no relation to the rule as written.



Wow, so he basically admits that there is almost no situation where the rule will be enforced. The PUCK has to come to a stop? Seriously? It's on ice, dude, it's never going to happen. So in other words, there's nothing wrong with a player coming to a complete stop for ten minutes right in front of the goalie as long as he keeps stick handling the puck? Wow. How long until this non-rule gets abused?



How COULD have briere been "more" stopped exactly? He stopped.



http://video.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=2&id=132800

Interview with NHL VP Mike Murphy - He actually says something along the lines of "Sure, when you slow the replay down then you see it came to a stop, but you have to look at the play in real-time" It's at like 1:15


HOLY F***ING SH**!! So he's saying you have to look at replays in real-time?! WTF do we have replays for if we should only look at them in real time?? The damn ref on the ice is there looking at it in real time!! That's such a cop-out BS answer that I've lost all respect for replays.. The point is to get the damn call right!!

What I essentially got from this was "We did everything we could to ensure we had an excuse for giving the Flyers a chance.." Seriously, after the officials called a penalty on the Devils after every somewhat-physical play last night, coupled with the fact that we are continously screwed by replays (anyone recall the Clarkson "kick-in" against Ottawa last season that has been allowed at least 3 times since then against us) I really hate to say someone has it out for us but DAMN, the evidence is there



i agree with you all... i'm starting to think Murphy's not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 10:11 AM

It seems pretty clear that the league screwed this call up. When the justification is that instant replay reviews shouldn't be reviewed using one of the most important tools in the instant replay arsenal ... slow-motion ... you know they're just trying to save face.

That makes the most disturbing part the fact that they can't admit they screwed up. This was a pretty good chance for them to do just that since the blown call didn't lead to the offending team winning. But the NHL's need to maintain their veil of infallibility just makes them look too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

Just say you got it wrong but are thankful that it didn't change the outcome of the game. We're all human. It happens.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 02:26 PM

It seems pretty clear that the league screwed this call up. When the justification is that instant replay reviews shouldn't be reviewed using one of the most important tools in the instant replay arsenal ... slow-motion ... you know they're just trying to save face.

That makes the most disturbing part the fact that they can't admit they screwed up. This was a pretty good chance for them to do just that since the blown call didn't lead to the offending team winning. But the NHL's need to maintain their veil of infallibility just makes them look too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

Just say you got it wrong but are thankful that it didn't change the outcome of the game. We're all human. It happens.


And the league has already admitted 2 other times where they blatantly disregarded a rule or screwed up royally that worked against the Devils, so what's the big deal with a third?
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 03:55 PM

And the league has already admitted 2 other times where they blatantly disregarded a rule or screwed up royally that worked against the Devils, so what's the big deal with a third?


They have?
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 04:01 PM

They have?


Pandolfo missed goal where the league statement said, "...despite the best efforts of the league, a goal was scored".

And a review where a puck was under Marty's pads and the reviewer assumed he knew where the puck was, even though it could not be seen, and ruled goal and the league released a statement saying that is not the correct ruling on that play.
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Posted 07 November 2011 - 04:16 PM

Pandolfo missed goal where the league statement said, "...despite the best efforts of the league, a goal was scored".

And a review where a puck was under Marty's pads and the reviewer assumed he knew where the puck was, even though it could not be seen, and ruled goal and the league released a statement saying that is not the correct ruling on that play.


Now that you mention it, I do recall the Pando one. :lol: Makes you wonder why it would have been such a big deal to admit an f-up with this one? I mean, whether or not the puck was still moving a little or Briere's one skate was still kinda sorta in motion doesn't really matter. He pulled up, snowed the friggin goalie and then scored. If that doesn't go against the spirit of a "no-stopping" rule, I don't know what does. Instead of admitting fault, they've opened a Pandora's box of cheap SO goals.

The least they coulda done was an Avery-rule kind of thing, where they more or less say "This blatantly goes against the spirit of the rules but wasn't exactly detailed in the rule book, so ... here's a new amendment to the rule for ya!"
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