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Posted 10 November 2011 - 12:06 PM

I imagine if you're a Penn Stater, you have a hard time comprehending that Paterno could've let this happen. They don't want to believe it is possible. To many of them, he was like a god. He did so much good for that place.



I'm a Penn Stater. I am nothing but disgusted and appalled with every angle of this story, and now I have to add some idiot students who rioted over a firing to that list. Everyone I've kept in touch w/ feels the same way

Sure JoePa is an icon, and he has personally invested a lot into the school, but that doesn't excuse anything in my eyes. It pisses me off to see there are people who seem to disagree with that, trying to excuse him on a technicality.

Don't let the idiot rioters speak for everyone, and don't let Football speak for the whole University, its bigger that that. There are 40,000 undergrads alone. ABC News said last night they were approached by students who agreed with the decision but were too scared to comment on camera.

The least important part of this is that I feel as if the place I became an adult and loved is forever tarnished. Some parts of your life you want to remember with rose colored glasses, I certainly don’t feel that anymore
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 12:27 PM

ESPN analysts were saying yesterday that "college kids just don't understand the severity of the situation." its like no, thats not it, we are all sane, its some penn state idiots who dont know
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 01:58 PM

I'm a Penn Stater. I am nothing but disgusted and appalled with every angle of this story, and now I have to add some idiot students who rioted over a firing to that list. Everyone I've kept in touch w/ feels the same way

Sure JoePa is an icon, and he has personally invested a lot into the school, but that doesn't excuse anything in my eyes. It pisses me off to see there are people who seem to disagree with that, trying to excuse him on a technicality.

Don't let the idiot rioters speak for everyone, and don't let Football speak for the whole University, its bigger that that. There are 40,000 undergrads alone. ABC News said last night they were approached by students who agreed with the decision but were too scared to comment on camera.

The least important part of this is that I feel as if the place I became an adult and loved is forever tarnished. Some parts of your life you want to remember with rose colored glasses, I certainly don’t feel that anymore

Good post. I was up last night watching the coverage on ESPN News for about an hour after the board's announcement. That whole time, the crowd of students was pretty tame, for the most part. It wasn't till this morning that I saw on the news that some rioting took place. But even so, I could tell that it was only a very small fraction of the crowd.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 02:00 PM

Bash me if you must, but I wonder if this whole thing puts to an end any thoughts of a Flyers-Penguins Winter Classic at Penn State.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 02:58 PM

I could tell that it was only a very small fraction of the crowd.


Even so, media would have you believe otherwise. I'm not 100% sure this wouldn't have happened in my time, but I do feel like it's become way too acceptable to cause damage when anything major happens sports related.

And kudos to the board for the time of day they announced this. Perfect time of day for people to sit around, drink, and wait for news.


People need to get a frigging grip.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 04:17 PM

First off, as a sophomore here at PSU U Park, I will admit bias but, I also believe that my opinions are logically rooted. And, I also want to say that I was not part of the riots last night, because apparently unlike a lot of my classmates I had an exam to study for. But now for my thoughts....

I am very much against the firing of Joe Paterno. In hindsight (which we all know is 20/20), yes, he could have and should have done more, and even he has admitted that, and said that he wishes he had done more. However, at the time, what more did you want him to do? He informed his superiors, the AD (Curley (still has a job (on administrative leave))), and the chief of University Police (Schultz (has criminal charges coming against him for perjury, but I believe still has a job (correct me if I'm wrong))). At this point, he had to believe (just like most people) that the situation would get dealt with if his superiors determined the situation called for it. Unfortunately, they decided to basically slap Sandusky on wrist, and cover the whole thing up. So why is it that Joe Paterno was the only one fired through all of this (technically Spanier resigned)? Why does McQueary, who actually witnessed the damn thing (and walked away!!!!!), not only still have a job, but is being allowed to coach from the sidelines Saturday, still have a job? The only reason is that the university wanted to make a statement that they were taking action, and decided that firing the legendary football coach, who had already said he was retiring after the season anyway, was high enough profile for them.

Beyond that, they handled it terribly. As I heard on ESPN earlier today, "if you can send a courier to Paterno's house to deliver a letter to tell him to call a number at a certain time (how shady does that sound?), to inform him of his release by phone, you can tell him in person." The man has brought this school and incredible amount of prestige, donated millions of dollars to build a library on campus, and simply has been the face of the university (today I ate lunch at a sandwich place called "Joegies") for almost a half a century now. What honestly does a man have to do to get the dignity of being fired in person?!

Also, they had to know that the riots would take place. Most of the well-informed students have the same opinion as me, and the not-so-well-informed ones love JoePa because he's JoePa and will go get drunk and riot because they think it's good sport. They could've prevented this, and the negative publicity it is making by letting Joe retire after the season, on his own terms, like he wanted to. The students would have been fine with that. We all view JoePa as almost a second father, and if you can't rip him away without a backlash. That said, those riots were stupid, that didn't do any good. Joe wouldn't have wanted that. We all agree on that.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 04:19 PM

the guy helped cover up a child rape scandal, for years. i dont care what legacy the coach has.

also, you say JoePa is the only one fired, but thats not that logical because others who would've been fired had already resigned, right?
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:19 PM

The second paterno realized that his "superiors" were not going to do anything ( oh wait.. they told sandusky he could not bring any more kids to school.. lol) would probably have been a good time to go to the police.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 05:52 PM

Good post. I was up last night watching the coverage on ESPN News for about an hour after the board's announcement. That whole time, the crowd of students was pretty tame, for the most part. It wasn't till this morning that I saw on the news that some rioting took place. But even so, I could tell that it was only a very small fraction of the crowd.

here's your tame crowd tipping over a news van.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c4mLB7O6v-s
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 06:03 PM

here's your tame crowd tipping over a news van.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=c4mLB7O6v-s

I know, that wasn't tame. I saw it on the news today. What I was saying was that I was up last night watching the coverage of the crowd on TV for about a little over an hour from the time of the press conference. When I fell asleep at around 11:45 p.m., that craziness hadn't happened yet -- or at least it hadn't yet been shown on TV.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 06:20 PM

the guy helped cover up a child rape scandal, for years. i dont care what legacy the coach has.

also, you say JoePa is the only one fired, but thats not that logical because others who would've been fired had already resigned, right?

Joe didn't cover up anything. He told the HEAD OF UNIVERSITY POLICE. What do you want him to do? Put on cape, and go fight?!


As far as you're other point. The others involved (not including Sandusky obviously) were the AD Curley (whom Joe told), the University Police chief Schultz (whom Joe and Curley told), President Spanier (it's kinda blurry as far as exactly how much he knew), and McQueary, then then-grad assistant, now assistant coach (who witnessed the crime in 2002 and did not only did not stop it as it happened, he only went on to tell his father and eventually, Paterno). Curley is on administrative leave (still employed). Schultz is now "retired." Spanier resigned yesterday (was threatended to be fied if he didn't). McQueary coached the team in practice today. So you are right in a way. I guess what I meant was that Joe was the only one officially given the dishonorable discharge of being "fired," and not given the opportunity to honrably resign or retire, the way Spanier or Schultz was. Like I said, they wanted to make a statement, and give them credit, they certainly did.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 07:16 PM

ok i see you... but when you deal with a CHILD RAPE scandal you only tell university police? and when you dont see this situation blow up like it should, and when you dont see the guy that was raping the kids get arrested- you just let it be?? any human would want to see a child rapist get locked up ASAP.. He knew what was going on, dont let his legacy make you think he was completely innocent here.

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Posted 10 November 2011 - 08:13 PM

ok i see you... but when you deal with a CHILD RAPE scandal you only tell university police? and when you dont see this situation blow up like it should, and when you dont see the guy that was raping the kids get arrested- you just let it be?? any human would want to see a child rapist get locked up ASAP.. He knew what was going on, dont let his legacy make you think he was completely innocent here.

Ok, I understand you think he should have done more, and honestly I agree that that would have been the right thing to do. And I understand that he is not completely innocent. But my point is that he is not the only one who should be held accountable, and the media is making him out to be so.

Really, it's terrible that Joe Paterno is the focus of this at all. Firing Joe Paterno can't change what happened to those unfortunate (for lack of a better word) children that were abused. We should be focusing on them and their future, or Sandusky and what should happen to him.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 08:20 PM

I am very much against the firing of Joe Paterno. In hindsight (which we all know is 20/20), yes, he could have and should have done more, and even he has admitted that, and said that he wishes he had done more. However, at the time, what more did you want him to do? He informed his superiors, the AD (Curley (still has a job (on administrative leave))), and the chief of University Police (Schultz (has criminal charges coming against him for perjury, but I believe still has a job (correct me if I'm wrong))). At this point, he had to believe (just like most people) that the situation would get dealt with if his superiors determined the situation called for it. Unfortunately, they decided to basically slap Sandusky on wrist, and cover the whole thing up. So why is it that Joe Paterno was the only one fired through all of this (technically Spanier resigned)? Why does McQueary, who actually witnessed the damn thing (and walked away!!!!!), not only still have a job, but is being allowed to coach from the sidelines Saturday, still have a job? The only reason is that the university wanted to make a statement that they were taking action, and decided that firing the legendary football coach, who had already said he was retiring after the season anyway, was high enough profile for them.

That, in a nutshell, is my issue with this too. A witch hunt was demanded, and a witch hunt was indeed conducted.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 08:40 PM

If you see someone being raped in a Mall bathroom you don't go to Mall Security, you call 911. Anyone who knew anything and didn't go directly to the police, not University police...the police, deserve to lose their jobs. Period. I've got an 8 and a 3 year old, both boys. Can't fathom anyone being ok with not making sure what was being done was stopped and the person responsible punished. Everyone who knew and did nothing should not have jobs at the University and that includes McQueary.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 08:44 PM

First off, as a sophomore here at PSU U Park, I will admit bias but, I also believe that my opinions are logically rooted. And, I also want to say that I was not part of the riots last night, because apparently unlike a lot of my classmates I had an exam to study for. But now for my thoughts....

I am very much against the firing of Joe Paterno. In hindsight (which we all know is 20/20), yes, he could have and should have done more, and even he has admitted that, and said that he wishes he had done more. However, at the time, what more did you want him to do? He informed his superiors, the AD (Curley (still has a job (on administrative leave))), and the chief of University Police (Schultz (has criminal charges coming against him for perjury, but I believe still has a job (correct me if I'm wrong))). At this point, he had to believe (just like most people) that the situation would get dealt with if his superiors determined the situation called for it. Unfortunately, they decided to basically slap Sandusky on wrist, and cover the whole thing up. So why is it that Joe Paterno was the only one fired through all of this (technically Spanier resigned)? Why does McQueary, who actually witnessed the damn thing (and walked away!!!!!), not only still have a job, but is being allowed to coach from the sidelines Saturday, still have a job? The only reason is that the university wanted to make a statement that they were taking action, and decided that firing the legendary football coach, who had already said he was retiring after the season anyway, was high enough profile for them.

Beyond that, they handled it terribly. As I heard on ESPN earlier today, "if you can send a courier to Paterno's house to deliver a letter to tell him to call a number at a certain time (how shady does that sound?), to inform him of his release by phone, you can tell him in person." The man has brought this school and incredible amount of prestige, donated millions of dollars to build a library on campus, and simply has been the face of the university (today I ate lunch at a sandwich place called "Joegies") for almost a half a century now. What honestly does a man have to do to get the dignity of being fired in person?!

Also, they had to know that the riots would take place. Most of the well-informed students have the same opinion as me, and the not-so-well-informed ones love JoePa because he's JoePa and will go get drunk and riot because they think it's good sport. They could've prevented this, and the negative publicity it is making by letting Joe retire after the season, on his own terms, like he wanted to. The students would have been fine with that. We all view JoePa as almost a second father, and if you can't rip him away without a backlash. That said, those riots were stupid, that didn't do any good. Joe wouldn't have wanted that. We all agree on that.

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Dude, nothing against you personally, but I'm tired of seeing these BS explanations/excuses for him. How about you read the grand jury testimony and tell me how far you get before getting sick?

http://www.freep.com...C4181508116.PDF

If JoePa or even yourself knew even 1/1000th of the details would you be cool with just telling your boss and assume it all got taken care of? B.S. he totally knew. Being a legend doesn’t give you a pass. Bottom line.

I cringe every time I've seen any current student speaking on TV today. I know the media selectively edits this, but you'd think more of you would get harboring a pedophile doesn't entitle you to leave a job on your own terms. Wish more of you would get that.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 09:28 PM

Everyone who knew and did nothing should not have jobs at the University and that includes McQueary.

As far as I'm concerned, this isn't over until McQueary gets sh!tcanned. Until that happens, Paterno is a scapegoat, nothing more.

Though I do wonder how this would have unfolded had Paterno retired a few years ago like he probably should have.
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Posted 10 November 2011 - 09:28 PM

Dude, nothing against you personally, but I'm tired of seeing these BS explanations/excuses for him. How about you read the grand jury testimony and tell me how far you get before getting sick?

http://www.freep.com...C4181508116.PDF

If JoePa or even yourself knew even 1/1000th of the details would you be cool with just telling your boss and assume it all got taken care of? B.S. he totally knew. Being a legend doesn’t give you a pass. Bottom line.

I cringe every time I've seen any current student speaking on TV today. I know the media selectively edits this, but you'd think more of you would get harboring a pedophile doesn't entitle you to leave a job on your own terms. Wish more of you would get that.

I read a lot of the report (skimmed really). Of course it's appalling what Sandusky did to these kids, and he deserves jail for life or maybe even the death penalty if Pennsylvania has it (but that's a whole other can of worms), and you are right, Paterno knew of this, probably to a larger degree than he'd ever admit. But in reading the grand jury report, you have every little detail right in front of you, and it just makes you want to go settle things with Sandusky yourself. However, Paterno probably didn't know all of these details that would galvanize us into action. I know that's not much of an excuse, but you have to put yourself in his shoes. Would you have really done more? What would State College Police have actually done if Paterno had went to them? Any eveidence he had was hear-say, and they would have been especially skeptical after he said he had already informed university police. It's terrible, and I hate myself for saying it, but I probably wouldn't have done more, nor do I think most people would have (if you would have, great for you, we should all try o be like you (no sarcasm intended here, sorry if it came off that way)), but that's about society, not you, or me, or Paterno.

And once again, I would just like to reiterate that my biggest problem with this is that Paterno is the ONE getting attention from this. If his name were not Joe Paterno, he would not be the one we are focusing on.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:44 AM

I read a lot of the report (skimmed really). Of course it's appalling what Sandusky did to these kids, and he deserves jail for life or maybe even the death penalty if Pennsylvania has it (but that's a whole other can of worms), and you are right, Paterno knew of this, probably to a larger degree than he'd ever admit. But in reading the grand jury report, you have every little detail right in front of you, and it just makes you want to go settle things with Sandusky yourself. However, Paterno probably didn't know all of these details that would galvanize us into action. I know that's not much of an excuse, but you have to put yourself in his shoes. Would you have really done more? What would State College Police have actually done if Paterno had went to them? Any eveidence he had was hear-say, and they would have been especially skeptical after he said he had already informed university police. It's terrible, and I hate myself for saying it, but I probably wouldn't have done more, nor do I think most people would have (if you would have, great for you, we should all try o be like you (no sarcasm intended here, sorry if it came off that way)), but that's about society, not you, or me, or Paterno.

And once again, I would just like to reiterate that my biggest problem with this is that Paterno is the ONE getting attention from this. If his name were not Joe Paterno, he would not be the one we are focusing on.


I don't agree that Paterno is the ONE getting attention from this. McQueary's name is being brought up more and more, as it should be, as he was in a position to do something about the incident he witnessed, and did nothing. And I'm glad he won't be on the sidelines on Saturday, but why it took that long for that to be determined...

The thing about Paterno is, he obviously wielded a lot of power on that campus, and I think he liked knowing that he was powerful (most normal people would get off on that on some level)...and when it came to this matter, he simply didn't wield nearly enough of it, and in doing so, showed no real concern for the victims. That is my main problem with him. But I haven't forgotten that Sandusky is truly the sickest of the sick...even better than the death penalty, just throw him in jail in general population. The rest will take care of itself.
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Posted 11 November 2011 - 07:53 AM

And once again, I would just like to reiterate that my biggest problem with this is that Paterno is the ONE getting attention from this. If his name were not Joe Paterno, he would not be the one we are focusing on.


Paterno's also the one who ran the campus for fifty years. It's like saying why are we talking about the president when some member of his cabinet gets involved in a scandal? Because it's the president, the buck ultimately stops with him! And because there's no debate about Sandusky being a monster, while there is a debate about just how much Paterno knew and did to cover it up. Not to mention genuine dissapointment in him.

Besides if his name weren't Joe Paterno, this wouldn't have been kept under wraps for so long and he would have been fired immediately when it did come to light. You gotta take the good with the bad for what being Joe Paterno means.

I cringe every time I've seen any current student speaking on TV today. I know the media selectively edits this


It's not even that so much, it's just that almost no Penn State student who has a bad word to say about Paterno will dare go on camera right now. A couple did during the riots and people came after them.

Joe didn't cover up anything. He told the HEAD OF UNIVERSITY POLICE. What do you want him to do? Put on cape, and go fight?!



How about permabanning the monster from campus, for starters? He was still allowed to do pretty much whatever he wanted until LAST WEEK. And you think there really was no idea Paterno knew there was something wrong? When there was an investigation in '98, the McQuery incident in '02 and god knows however many other red flags there were, or times Sandusky was seen with young boys on campus.

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