No one abides by any of these agreements, not Europe, not anyone. They're all pretty meaningless. It's all lip service - that's why I don't get why you all get so head-up - no one IS doing anything.
No one is getting rich off of green energy. As for PSE&G they offer Green energy as an option -- you don't pay for it if you don't elect to. Whatever fee it is you think is for green energy is indeed a lie -- you are correct. It’s the existing damaging energy provider profiting off of a trend. It’s not some Green Energy company founded by Al Gore sneaking in a cut of PSE&G’s profits – why is that even being held up when it’s the CURRENT ENERGY PROVIDER PROFITTING OFF OF A LIE. You’re damaging your own argument holding that up as some proof our current paradigm is fine as is. That IS the current paradigm. And if they’re putting up windmills – really why do you give a fvck about it? Do you know what other sh!t they’re doing? Do you give a fvck what every other little bullsh!t fee your paying for is going to? what else is new in the corporate world?
Also I get no indication you all have read anything of the real research but rather just the op-eds denouncing it. If you don't give a sh!t then don't waste time finding ways to deride a hypothesis you haven't even researched yourself. It's hard work to look at the science, to understand the science -- it's too hard for me to get into the real science of it. I’ll be honest. I just discuss with interested scientists who do understand the research and results published - but I get lost trying to retain it all. 732 (EDIT: 731
haha! I made you a step above yourself) and Triumph are so much more patient about retaining stuff…
There IS a debate in meteorology/climatology - but it's far more subtle than the dufus stuff posted here. It’s too deep for me. Basically what I hear is: OK all signs point to the sh!t hitting the fan NOW -- and if man caused it or not there is nothing that can be done now. ALL agree that it would help to cut carbon emissions – the debate is: would it ease the transition? Could species stand a greater chance of surviving through adapting? Climate change is real and we’re fvcked or we’re not. THAT is the debate. It’s quite cynical and humorous. You guys are actually far more in the Al Gore scientific camp as far as outlook goes. They’re all positive and kind of “let things coast and we might be OK!” But when push comes to shove consensus is pretty much ‘what hell - we’re fvcked.’ The science you guys spout disproving global warming is actually the “We are soooo fvcked” camp from what I gather.
Ah me… I hate it when I get amused/bemused
I really don’t feel that patronizing.
It would be a very interesting debate if we all got on the real page -- but you're all consumed with the politicizing of it. It reads like no one cares about anything but that it must be wrong
and there must be a political and economic reason to claim climate change is real and significant to our near-term existence, much less man's responsibility therein.
Here's the thing -- It's far more lucrative that there NOT be global warming. If/when it becomes impossible to deny, then it will be far more lucrative for man to have zero responsibility thus zero control over exacerbating the problem. If anyone wants to make easy money and control populations - climate change being a myth is really the way to go. Isn't that kinda obvious? You can make a few bucks here and there appealing to a special interest group but that's not where the big money is. Ingenuity takes investment - inherent risk - there is no immediate monetary gain directly attributed to controlling carbon emissions. Why do you guys seriously think that's even a mildly logical argument... oh wait i know... BECAUSE YOU BOUGHT INTO IT! DUHHH????? I mean duh? THIS is why I can't respond to the inanity. Mind-blowingly stupid... and the fact you think I'm THAT stupid... no wonder I think you all are inane -- seriously? You know... I mean I want to hold back and be respectful but seriously... with that position... you can' even take ONE STEP onto the debate forum... you all think your coming from some original place when you are so clearly being manipulated – and you tell me I am? Just --- how can I even respond to that – THAT is what I’m talking about. That is why I cannot respond – you have just GOT to be kidding me!
“There's a burglar in the bedroom while you're fiddling in the parlor!”
And some a$$hole is going to pluck out one out-of-context sentence I write here and expound on it with stupid little condescensions peppered here and there -- and then …resume his labours with an improved opinion of himself, and in a more facetious temper than usual.
Why would I even respond to such crap?
Edited by Pepperkorn, 13 December 2011 - 01:14 PM.